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  • It should be renamed the S/J Ship Family thread

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  • No change please, keep the name Sam/Jack Shippers Thread

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    Default What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    We had a vote on what to do with the S/J Ship Discussion thread. The results can be found HERE .

    If you look at the graph, Option 1 and Option 5 are almost identical, the main difference being the name. Since nearly as many people voted on Option 1 as voted on Option 5, it seems to indicate that there is a certain amount of popularity for naming the thread S/J Ship Family.

    So, this poll is to see if people would like to see the name of the thread changed. Cast your vote now - the poll will be open for the next three days, since a lot of people don't have internet access over the weekend.


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Having got to know folks in the Ship thread over the last few days, and having talked to so many of you, I feel that the real issue here isn't having more than one ship thread.

    What people are most passionate about is the Ship Family community they have going here at GateWorld.

    Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.

    It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.

    It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.

    Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    Having got to know folks in the Ship thread over the last few days, and having talked to so many of you, I feel that the real issue here isn't having more than one ship thread.

    What people are most passionate about is the Ship Family community they have going here at GateWorld.

    Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.

    It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.

    It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.

    Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!
    Thanks Gipsy.. for all your efforts

    Going to vote for Ship Family Thread.

    Oooh you're about to turn 1000!

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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    WOO HOO Gategipsy!!!

    I've voted for the family thread.

    Part 2 coming very soon!! (this is a fic btw, not the Fandemonium novel)

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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by astronomicalchick
    Thanks Gipsy.. for all your efforts

    Going to vote for Ship Family Thread.

    Oooh you're about to turn 1000!
    And now I have! Woo hoo. Thanks for pointing that out.

    **slaps hand for going off topic**


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Gipsy, we don't deserve you. (or our other mod moms) You have the patience of a saint and have been extremely understanding given the stupidity of some of us shippers (uh, primarily that would be ME) with regard to the 2 threads...
    I was going to say that as a rep point but apparently I have to spread some around before giving some to you...

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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Thanks Lunar, but you don't need to take the blame! The responsibility is all mine. See I've replaced by big hefty hobnailed boots with carpet slippers. Maybe I'll be able to tread more softly and not on as many toes this way!


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    I think we should mention "shipper " in the title or it may scare the Newbies big time.


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Do you think? I didn't think there was much difference between Ship and Shipper ie S/J Shipper Family. What do other's think?


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    I've voted no change, but will be quite happy with either name.

    As far as ship/shipper, both are good. (although I recently clicked on a thread asking about peoples favourite ship, only to discover they meant SPACEships, not relationships! Boy, did I feel foolish!)
    http://forum.gateworld.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=29235&d=1297874202

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    My problem with renaming it the Ship Family thread is that that sounds exclusive. Anything that seems to reference a pre-established group of people is going to scare off newbies, I think. Leaving the name as it is suggests that it's open to all S/J shippers.

    Gate Gipsy, despite what you've said, I think that calling it the "ship family" thread is going to cause more confusion. It sounds like it's a thread only for fluff and not for real discussion. And trust me — when there's new stuff to discuss, we really discuss it!

    I'm relatively new to this fandom, but not to online fandom in general, and seriously, if I were new to GW and saw a thread called "ship family", I'd wonder what these people are smoking. And this comes even with knowing most of the general fandom lingo like ship and shipper. "Ship family" is a phrase unique to this group of people, from what I've seen in the other fandoms in which I've been involved. To a newbie, there's nothing clear and unambiguous about it.

    I don't think the OT thing is going to be solved by a thread name. It happens occasionally — we're human beings, we digress. This issue has come up before, and the solution basically boils down to people needing to be more considerate in their posting. And if some people really want to have a "serious", non-community thread for S/J, why not let them, regardless of what the poll said? It's clear that some people are unhappy with the way things are run now, so if they want to try a "serious" thread, I say let them. I also say that it'll be dead before January, but that's just my opinion.

    EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

    Mel
    Last edited by Melyanna; October 29th, 2004 at 04:02 AM. Reason: Can't spell, can't remember everything I was going to say

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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    I don't think it sounds exclusive - there are no exclusive threads in GW in that they are all public. If anyone wonders what the thread is about, and why on earth it has that name, the first thing they'll do is go in there and have a look.

    And when they do they'll either see something they like or they won't. It won't take long for them to get a flavour of the place and, most likely, drawn in to it.

    But it also means that the people who don't want to have the light hearted Ship banter could start a different ship thread if they wanted to. At the moment, with the title of the thread the way it is, no-one has any choice. If they want to talk Ship on GateWorld, they have to join the one single thread that we have. And it is the Ship Family thread, regardless of whether you want to call it that in the title or not. Nearly every post mentions the Ship Family in some way, either in the post or in a sig.
    Last edited by GateGipsy; October 29th, 2004 at 04:31 AM. Reason: for spelling


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    Do you think? I didn't think there was much difference between Ship and Shipper ie S/J Shipper Family. What do other's think?

    "Ship"is fine ..I didn't see it first time round ..I thought it was the S/J family thread but now that I see the S/J ship family thread ....it's OK ..we want the newbies to join and be part of the ship family


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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    Where conflict and negativity has arisen in the thread in the past has been with people wanting to talk ship, but not necessarily wanting to be within that Ship Family Community.
    I've noticed that too . Not all J/S Shippers want the "meta discussion",due to pressure of time,and other reasons.They deserve the choice,IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    It seems to me that the perfect way to make sure that this matter doesn't continue to raise it's head is to rename the thread The S/J Ship Family. It is unambiguous, states exactly what the thread is about, and should indicate to newbies clearly what the thread is all about. No more confusion.
    Clarity is the key word here.
    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    It also allows shippers who might in the future want more than one ship thread to do so, without it fragmenting or dividing the Ship Family in anyway.
    Otherwise known as freedom of choice. One of GW's biggest strengths....and also in full accordance with the rules.

    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    Anyway, those are just my thoughts as an outsider!
    Nothing wrong with your thinking,IMO. I know this is a cliche,but "the onlooker sees most of the game" !

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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melyanna
    EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

    Mel
    Mel....

    There IS a thread already for just this discussion...It is called the Ship Discussion Thread and is for ALL Pro/Anti Ship Discussion in a friendly yet lively manner.....So if that is what you are looking for well GW has already done that

    Just do a search of the Forum OR I am sure someone can provide a link for you and other that want to have a Debate with the Anti Shippers.

    Edit - found the link http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=88
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    Default Re: What name for the S/J Ship thread?

    Quote Originally Posted by GateGipsy
    I don't think it sounds exclusive - there are no exclusive threads in GW in that they are all public. If anyone wonders what the thread is about, and why on earth it has that name, the first thing they'll do is go in there and have a look.

    And when they do they'll either see something they like or they won't. It won't take long for them to get a flavour of the place and, most likely, drawn in to it.

    But it also means that the people who don't want to have the light hearted Ship banter could start a different ship thread if they wanted to. At the moment, with the title of the thread the way it is, no-one has any choice. If they want to talk Ship on GateWorld, they have to join the one single thread that we have. And it is the Ship Family thread, regardless of whether you want to call it that in the title or not. Nearly every post mentions the Ship Family in some way, either in the post or in a sig.
    Gategipsy I am in agreement with you

    I see no reason not to Name one thread The S/J Ship Family discussion Thread and Another The S/J Serious Discussion Thread...It is what the thread is about..

    If people are going to continue to get hung up on semantics we are never going to get anywhere

    It offers an option and there is nothing wrong with that.........Granted the *Family* thread DEFINITELY gets into some very serious discussion when the show is running new episodes and we all know that......but since this has happened and some would like to have year round serious discussion let them....move on.....We who have been enjoying the thread the way it has been KNOW what it is and what we discuss and can continue to enjoy it...Let anyone who is a long time poster or a newbie make that choice for themselves

    And I would like to also add my thanks once again to Gategipsy for ALL her hard work trying to resolve this issue.........

    So When do we get to go back to being a family and shipping for Sam & Jack and eating cookies and dancing with penguins and JUST ENJOYING EACH OTHER
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    Quote Originally Posted by TameFarrar
    Mel....

    There IS a thread already for just this discussion...It is called the Ship Discussion Thread and is for ALL Pro/Anti Ship Discussion in a friendly yet lively manner.....So if that is what you are looking for well GW has already done that

    Just do a search of the Forum OR I am sure someone can provide a link for you and other that want to have a Debate with the Anti Shippers.

    Edit - found the link http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=88
    True. I think since J/S Ship is a hot topic (like S/J themselves ) Pro-S/J Shippers should have a "serious only" thread where they feel safe from differing opinions. I do believe there is a Anti-S/J Ship discussion thread plus the Ship Discussion thread and the Pro-S/J Ship Discussion and to make it complete we just need the "On Topic Only" Pro-S/J Ship thread. And if the Anti-S/J Ship need a "On Topic Only" thread, let them have that too. JMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melyanna
    My problem with renaming it the Ship Family thread is that that sounds exclusive. Anything that seems to reference a pre-established group of people is going to scare off newbies, I think. Leaving the name as it is suggests that it's open to all S/J shippers.
    I take your point,but let's take the off-topic Thread "Ask a Mod",...despite the title,anyone's welcome to drop in to help out the people asking questions there !! (Anything that helps out Posters and Mods is fine by me ! )
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellyanna
    I think that calling it the "ship family" thread is going to cause more confusion. It sounds like it's a thread only for fluff and not for real discussion. And trust me — when there's new stuff to discuss, we really discuss it!
    Perhaps it may sound "Fluffy" ,but as you say,the new eps will get us all on-topic,whatever the title ,IMO.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellyanna
    I'm relatively new to this fandom, but not to online fandom in general, and seriously, if I were new to GW and saw a thread called "ship family", I'd wonder what these people are smoking. And this comes even with knowing most of the general fandom lingo like ship and shipper. "Ship family" is a phrase unique to this group of people, from what I've seen in the other fandoms in which I've been involved. To a newbie, there's nothing clear and unambiguous about it.
    That's where GW J/S hospitality,warmth,and your FAQ,and other helpful things come in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellyanna
    I don't think the OT thing is going to be solved by a thread name. It happens occasionally — we're human beings, we digress. This issue has come up before, and the solution basically boils down to people needing to be more considerate in their posting. And if some people really want to have a "serious", non-community thread for S/J, why not let them, regardless of what the poll said? It's clear that some people are unhappy with the way things are run now, so if they want to try a "serious" thread, I say let them. I also say that it'll be dead before January, but that's just my opinion.
    You're right. We're Human.That alone entitles us to individuality.I think being human is a mix of many things,and just as there's no perfect answer to loads of things in RL,matters of semantics, and opinions, here on GW, are a matter of personal choice.

    As to a second serious on-topic discussion thread : let's wait and see,once the voting and decisions are finalised ?
    I'm an optimist,and I know one thing,the Ship Family is strong,loyal and dedicated to Sam/Jack Shipping and to each other.We'll be Ok !
    Quote Originally Posted by Mellyanna
    EDIT: And if there is a "serious" discussion thread, I think it shouldn't fall under the no-anti posting rule we've had at the current thread. If people really want a "serious" discussion of S/J, then opposing views should be welcomed and discussed as well.

    Mel
    That sounds good.....I suppose the Ship Discussion thread,could be the place or maybe not.
    Trouble is,the wording would be the crucial thing.Good thought ,though !

    (Please don't feel I'm attacking your post or you either,Mellyanna. It's just that I have a long experience of negotiation and peace-keeping on several Committees I've belonged to."Compromise" is my stance on just about everything ,lol ! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by TameFarrar
    Gategipsy I am in agreement with you

    I see no reason not to Name one thread The S/J Ship Family discussion Thread and Another The S/J Serious Discussion Thread...It is what the thread is about..

    If people are going to continue to get hung up on semantics we are never going to get anywhere

    It offers an option and there is nothing wrong with that.........Granted the *Family* thread DEFINITELY gets into some very serious discussion when the show is running new episodes and we all know that......but since this has happened and some would like to have year round serious discussion let them....move on.....We who have been enjoying the thread the way it has been KNOW what it is and what we discuss and can continue to enjoy it...Let anyone who is a long time poster or a newbie make that choice for themselves

    And I would like to also add my thanks once again to Gategipsy for ALL her hard work trying to resolve this issue.........

    So When do we get to go back to being a family and shipping for Sam & Jack and eating cookies and dancing with penguins and JUST ENJOYING EACH OTHER
    the penguins are just waiting for their orders...

    "SG-Penguins, you have a go"

    Jeez I'm so silly...

    Thanks to GG to, good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by astronomicalchick
    the penguins are just waiting for their orders...

    "SG-Penguins, you have a go"

    Jeez I'm so silly...

    Thanks to GG to, good work!
    And AstroChick - the first poll has closed and the decision was that we stick with the way things were. So that's where your penguins belong!

    This is a completely new thread, because the vote was actually a close one.

    30 people voted to go back to the way things were but 25 people voted to stay with the old thread, only rename it the S/J Ship Family thread.

    That means that over all 55 voters (out of about 71 I believe) wanted to keep the original thread. However nearly half of them wanted to change the name of it.

    Personally, I can see the huge benefits in changing the name. It would mean that the thread was firmly identified with the Ship Family, and all it's fluffy, serious and OT chat. And it also meant that people who wanted different kinds of ship dicussions would have the freedom to open other threads, without the complaint that they were duplicating threads.


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