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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO SERIES 30
    THE UNICORN AND THE WASP
    EPISODE NUMBER - 3007

    The Doctor and Donna find themselves at a high society party in the 1920s, and must help the famous novelist Agatha Christie solve a real-life murder mystery.

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    They must have had fun making that one. I really did keep feeling as if the Doctor had wandered into an episode of Miss Marple.

    Agatha Christie was splendid, and I liked how she told the Doctor off when he got inappropriately enthusiastic. LOL at her accidental expose of the husband's secret.

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    FINALLY!! After weeks of episodes that move far too slowly and feel as if they're just there for the arc words we get a genuinely good episode that works by itself and will not only become good when we rewatch it after having seen the finale (as I suspect will happen to the others)

    The Donna and the Doctor not being a couple joke is getting old really quickly, though the famous author nicking bits of the Doctor and companion's conversations for their stories is still hilarious.

    There was very little not to like about that episode at all. Loved the cluedo reference, and the whole poisoned with cyanide scene. This was also the first episode for me that I felt Donna really worked as a companion.

    I am forced to admit that the bees probably are going to be a theme then.

    Am I correct in assuming next week is the Stephen Moffat one?

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    Brilliant, I love Agatha Christie stuff anyway but I agree with Madeleine about it feeling like a Miss Marple episode, the Lady, the Colonel, the Vicar, the servents and the son with a secret, in fact I was waiting for Joan Hickson to come in and say "Oh dear, how foolish of me". This was great because it was fun, nothing else but pure fun, no hidden meanings, not agenda to be analysed, yes the 'We're not married joke is wearing a little thin but trust Agatha to fathom it out because they're not wearing rings.

    All in all I liked it

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    I personally feel that this was the dud of the season on first viewing, sure it was funny in places but I preferred the tone of the past episodes. But then I have never been a murder mystery fan so that may explain my dislike for this episode

    And is it me or is Donna alternating between being smart and stupid each week? Last week she solved the riddle of the date stamps in the city.... this week she plays the stupid clown!

    Well the next episode sounds awesome a Stephen Moffat two parter , and then Midnight which we know next almost nothing about followed by the build up to the finale All I have left to say is curse the abomination that is Eurovision Crapovision to hell!
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    Never really been too partial to filler episodes. Kind of got mixed views of this one. On the one hand, good murder mystery genre. On the other hand, ruined by campy gimmicks (flashback sequences, Colonels 1920's 'porn' for lack of a better term, buzzing sound made by the Priest on words beginning with s or having s somewhere in them, etc)

    I'll give this one a 7/10. Though entertaining, it suffered quite a bit.
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    I enjoyed it. Just overall fun, plus I loved how the Doctor got so *into* the murder mystery feel.

    It was interesting having a bad guy who wasn't really a bad guy, and I liked that the priest's true colors showed at the very end and released Agatha Christie from the connection.

    Strangely I've never really gotten into Agatha Christie's books, though I'm not adverse to mysteries in general (big Sherlock Holmes fan). Maybe I tried reading them too young. I'll have to try them out again.
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    One more thing. Why oh why couldn't that old car that the Doctor and Donna 'stole' to chase Agatha Christie have been yellow? I know it isn't the same one that Jon Pertwee's Doctor had (it wasn't even close come to think of it), but damnit, we need Bessie back in some form, lol!
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    Decent ep. Fun, frivolous, not too taxing in the little grey cells. The "we're not a couple" thing was getting old in the second ep, now it's just obnoxious. Also not sure about the whole kiss thing. What, is there some contractual obligation that the Doctor must kiss his Companion (or vice versa) at least once every season? Rose, Jack, Martha, Donna. Mickey and Adam are the only escapees. Ho hum. Really could have done without that bit, but the rest of the ep was fun.

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    Top notch! What a marvellous gem of an episode, peppered with all sorts of fun and mischief. Fenella Woolgar did a spanking good job as Agatha Christie, I was lost in the momentum of the whole thing.

    It must be kept in mind that this episode was the very first filmed for the fourth season, and I couldn't spot it one bit.

    What a laugh at the Doctor going about a Time Lord detox after cyanide poisoning. He uses ginger beer, walnuts, anchovies, and to top it off Donna puckers up and smacks him with a big wet juicy one. Perhaps a slight nod to 007's poisoning in the recent Casino Royale.

    The period costume and atmosphere was beautiful, especially the cocktail party on the lawn complete with Noel Coward's 20th Century Blues on the gramophone.

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    Never really been too partial to filler episodes.
    The term "filler episode" really can't be used for Doctor Who because of the design and style of the show. There are rarely any primary story arcs through the stream of a season, as the show is not a serial-based one. Instead, the show can be better described as a collection of wonderful little vignettes that delve into new villains and dangers each week as seen through the time travels of the Doctor and his "plucky" assistant.

    A two-week wait is now on until we see Moffat's latest contribution, and we have now broken the half-way mark for this season. I look forward to seeing this two-parter, especially the inclusion of Alex Kingston as River Song.

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    One bit that I loved with reservations was the Trunk of "C". Lovely idea, that he alphabetises his souveniers, lovelier still that he has a vegetable as a souvenier... but he keeps it in the control room, which makes the Tardis seem so much less likely to have a vast collection of other rooms.

    Still, it was a nice scene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W View Post
    One bit that I loved with reservations was the Trunk of "C". Lovely idea, that he alphabetises his souveniers, lovelier still that he has a vegetable as a souvenier... but he keeps it in the control room, which makes the Tardis seem so much less likely to have a vast collection of other rooms.

    Still, it was a nice scene.
    One of my favourite scenes as well. Love the way he shook the carrionites around a bit lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lirenel View Post
    It was interesting having a bad guy who wasn't really a bad guy, and I liked that the priest's true colors showed at the very end and released Agatha Christie from the connection.
    I liked the fact that Donna didn't apologise for what she'd done.

    The C trunk was lovely (but what was the head! I feel such a second rate Whovian now) and although the budget clearly doesn't stretch to other bits of the TARDIS, at least they don't just go through the back door of the console room into a series of brick corridors which look - for obvious reasons - like the basement of a particularly depressing hospital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lirenel View Post
    I enjoyed it. Just overall fun, plus I loved how the Doctor got so *into* the murder mystery feel.

    It was interesting having a bad guy who wasn't really a bad guy, and I liked that the priest's true colors showed at the very end and released Agatha Christie from the connection.

    Strangely I've never really gotten into Agatha Christie's books, though I'm not adverse to mysteries in general (big Sherlock Holmes fan). Maybe I tried reading them too young. I'll have to try them out again.
    May I recommend you watch Agatha Christie instead of reading, but they must be with Joan Hickson as Miss Marple and David Suchet as Hercule Poirot

    Quote Originally Posted by Billz View Post
    One more thing. Why oh why couldn't that old car that the Doctor and Donna 'stole' to chase Agatha Christie have been yellow? I know it isn't the same one that Jon Pertwee's Doctor had (it wasn't even close come to think of it), but damnit, we need Bessie back in some form, lol!
    I thought the same thing "I actually said out loud "I wonder if that's Bessie"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reefgirl View Post
    May I recommend you watch Agatha Christie instead of reading, but they must be with Joan Hickson as Miss Marple and David Suchet as Hercule Poirot
    I agree, I haven't really read the boos but he is so good as Poirot.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet View Post
    The C trunk was lovely (but what was the head! I feel such a second rate Whovian now)
    That is really bugging me as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W View Post
    but he keeps it in the control room, which makes the Tardis seem so much less likely to have a vast collection of other rooms.
    Well back in the Unquiet Dead he gave Rose some very complicated instructions to find the wardrobe so there still must be quite a few rooms back there. Has the trunk been there before, I got the impression with how quickly he was able to pull it out of there was that the TARDIS only put it there because he was looking for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat View Post
    Also not sure about the whole kiss thing. What, is there some contractual obligation that the Doctor must kiss his Companion (or vice versa) at least once every season?
    Well I thought it worked really well in Parting of the Ways, yes it was a bit rubbish in New Earth and Smith and Jones, but I actually found it quite funny here.

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    Worst episode of the season.

    The enemy was just lame.

    The scene showing the possible murders were cliche.
    The marriage joke is getting repetitive and boring. Whole cyanide, seem to be stuck in their for no reason other if been in many of her books no other reason. And unicorn, well she just was not menacing enough, should of had her at least try to escape.
    Whole and can they try actually make up their minds where she dumb bird just tagging a long or a smart bird who got a brain.

    And then the whole kitchen knife in chest, could not they of think of anything original.

    Then the ending, the killing of the creature, the doctor to let it got to easy, here someone who hates killing and she just goes and kills a innocent creature, and say absolutely nothing and show no anger, I mean come on.

    And to tap the whole episode off, tardis basement thing at end was just disappointing, For the thing I said above and I want his basement to be more like a warehouse not some dingy little room under the walk way. And I would not of expecting him to be so happy about her just having taken a life that he could saved.

    I got a feeling this going to be a episode which some absolutely love and some me will hate it.
    6/10

    Come on next week so I forget this episode. Next weeks one sounds very much like Blink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowles2 View Post
    Worst episode of the season.

    The enemy was just lame.

    The scene showing the possible murders were cliche.
    The marriage joke is getting repetitive and boring. Whole cyanide, seem to be stuck in their for no reason other if been in many of her books no other reason. And unicorn, well she just was not menacing enough, should of had her at least try to escape.
    Whole and can they try actually make up their minds where she dumb bird just tagging a long or a smart bird who got a brain.

    And then the whole kitchen knife in chest, could not they of think of anything original.

    Then the ending, the killing of the creature, the doctor to let it got to easy, here someone who hates killing and she just goes and kills a innocent creature, and say absolutely nothing and show no anger, I mean come on.

    And to tap the whole episode off, tardis basement thing at end was just disappointing, For the thing I said above and I want his basement to be more like a warehouse not some dingy little room under the walk way. And I would not of expecting him to be so happy about her just having taken a life that he could saved.

    I got a feeling this going to be a episode which some absolutely love and some me will hate it.
    6/10

    Come on next week so I forget this episode. Next weeks one sounds very much like Blink.
    You obviously don't watch or read Agatha Christie

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    Too funny. Loved the nods to Cluedo, to the classic screen adaptations of Christie novels (those wiggly flashbacks with "Oh yes, I remember..." made me chuckle every time). I called out "Slasher Heaven!" the moment the pretty footman handed the pretty son that first drink on the lawn (my children looked at me funny ), and I adored Agatha.

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    Agatha Christie used to hint about Slashy relationships in her novels.
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    Loved it. Well, I used to adore Agatha Christie books, and this was just like one of them, well, minus the big anormous halfbreed alien wasp, of course. Still.

    Loads of entertaining jokes, too. I laughed my head off during the Doctor being poisoned scene - well and various others!

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