So, I know Teyla and Ronon are supposed to be the two "baddest" warriors in Pegasus, and I enjoy it when they assert themselves as such, but does anyone else think it's strange or get a little annoyed at how, whenever we see them sparring with Sheppard or in a cooperative combat situation, John always gets his butt kicked mercilessly and easily, as if he's not a highly-trained, formidable former "black ops" soldier?
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Originally posted by KindlyKeller View PostSo, I know Teyla and Ronon are supposed to be the two "baddest" warriors in Pegasus, and I enjoy it when they assert themselves as such, but does anyone else think it's strange or get a little annoyed at how, whenever we see them sparring with Sheppard or in a cooperative combat situation, John always gets his butt kicked mercilessly and easily, as if he's not a highly-trained, formidable former "black ops" soldier?
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Originally posted by jenks View PostNot so much with Ronon as he's built like a brick **** house, but Teyla kicking his arse all the time has me rolling my eyes a bit, I mean she's like 5' 4" or something!
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Originally posted by ykickamoocow View PostHe isnt black ops. Remember before joining the Atlantis team he flew choppers which isnt exactly the role of a black ops soldier. We have no evidence that Sheppard was every used or even trained as a black ops soldier.Theoretically spoilerish:
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Originally posted by MerryK View PostSize means absolutely nothing to a skilled martial artist. I've seen this rule proven many times in real life. Now, whether Teyla fits into that category is arguable, but I tire of people equating size with skill level.
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Originally posted by MerryK View PostSize means absolutely nothing to a skilled martial artist. I've seen this rule proven many times in real life. Now, whether Teyla fits into that category is arguable, but I tire of people equating size with skill level.Last edited by jenks; 06 April 2008, 08:15 PM.
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Originally posted by jenks View PostMaybe to an extent, but I think no amount of training would stop Shep kicking seven shades of **** out of a skinny 5' 4" woman. The cliche hot chick who can kick ass is really getting old and it's only done for cheap kicks by writers who don't know how to write strong female characters.Theoretically spoilerish:
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Originally posted by jenks View PostMaybe to an extent, but I think no amount of training would stop Shep kicking seven shades of **** out of a skinny 5' 4" woman. The cliche hot chick who can kick ass is really getting old and it's only done for cheap kicks by writers who don't know how to write strong female characters.
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The problem is that the writers aren't consistant. I think they've given some strong hints that Sheppard was special ops, and they have him take down an entire Genii strike force in The Storm/The Eye, but then they have him get knocked around by someone like Larrin.
Sheppard's not the only one who suffers from the inconsistancy though. For all of Teyla's supposed martial arts skills, she gets kidnapped or taken hostage a surprising amount of times. She takes on Wraith hand to hand in Suspicion but Michael drags her around like a doll. She kicks Ronon's butt in Echoes, but the guy in The Ark takes her hostage even though he can barely stay on his feet.
It's one of Stargate's most consistant problems - that of writing their characters to fit their storylines, rather than the other way around.- Life after Stargate -Agent Carter * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. * The Blacklist * Castle * Elementary * GrimmHawaii Five-0 * The Mentalist * NCIS * NCIS:LA * Once Upon a Time * Rizzoli & Islessigpic
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That's a good point, killdeer.
Another one is how Rodney is several times shown to be pretty accurate with a gun, specifically in "The Defiant One," where from 15 feet or so, he unloads all of his bullets into the Wraith's chest.
Then, in other episodes, he can't even keep the clip in or he's fumbling around or Carson's telling him he's a "terrible shot." Hearing that from CARSON of all people has to be troubling.Theoretically spoilerish:
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Originally posted by KindlyKeller View PostThat's a good point, killdeer.
Another one is how Rodney is several times shown to be pretty accurate with a gun, specifically in "The Defiant One," where from 15 feet or so, he unloads all of his bullets into the Wraith's chest.
Then, in other episodes, he can't even keep the clip in or he's fumbling around or Carson's telling him he's a "terrible shot." Hearing that from CARSON of all people has to be troubling.- Life after Stargate -Agent Carter * Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. * The Blacklist * Castle * Elementary * GrimmHawaii Five-0 * The Mentalist * NCIS * NCIS:LA * Once Upon a Time * Rizzoli & Islessigpic
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Originally posted by MerryK View PostOnly if both of them were fighting based on physical strength. A 5'4" woman could easily beat any man by being faster, more agile, and in control of her balance. I've seen a 5'2" friend of mine take down a 6'2" opponent, when both were at the same skill level, just for one example. In fact, it's almost inevitable that Teyla be able to take down Sheppard and Ronon, as their fighting styles are very much reliant on their bulk and strength, while Teyla moves smoothly and quickly, just like real martial artists. I believe in Teyla, 'cause I've seen her real life counterparts. You might say that Teyla's role is stereotypical, but you can't say that it's unrealistic.
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Originally posted by jenks View PostAre you talking about fights in martial arts classes though or actual fights? Because they're not even close to being the same thing.
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Could the black ops experience be the flying he does as someone mentioned and not his involve with the stargate program? the way i see the abliites of ronan and teyla is ronan was more hands on military because the wraith wars and his time as a runner, and teyla was probably trained from a child to defend her people from the wraith given her special ability.
just a thought
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