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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO SERIES 30
    THE FIRES OF POMPEII
    EPISODE NUMBER - 3002

    The Doctor and Donna arrive in Pompeii on the eve of the historic eruption of Mount Vesuvius, and must decide whether or not to warn the residents about the upcoming disaster.

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    Default The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    As theres no discussion thread up yet I figured I'd make one

    Awesome episode. Though I'm not quite sure why the Doctor hesitated on pulling the switch, one city or the entire planet simple enough choice...
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    I LOVED this episode so much. Tate really showed her acting skills off.

    *squees*

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    That's more like it...!

    Bloody awesome. Just... yeah. Awesome.

    Major ZOMGage in the scene with the daughter and the soothsayer seeing into the Doctor's mind.

    David was brilliant, as always (kinda goes without saying, really ), but Catherine Tate impressed me too in the dramatic scenes near the end, which were fantastic.

    Another "lost"/"taken" planet, huh? I'm guessing that's something to do with
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    Davros and the Daleks
    if they are back.

    9.5/10

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    I loved this episode, so much stuff came out of it (apart from Ash)

    "She is returning" everyone (including me) assumes it's Rose, but is it? for a fleeting moment I thought of The Rani
    "The Cascade of Medusa"
    "The Shadow Proclamation"
    "Lost Planet"

    So many things to think of. Anyway story was ok, I loved Donna, she's got a good heart The Runaway Bride Donna would have legged it to the Tardis but this Donna wanted to save the family, the little references to Wales was great. David Tennant acted his socks off as usual, I'm definity warming to Catherine Tate, she did really well in this, the FX were good.

    I'll post more when I can think of more to say

    We are going to get more of this She is returning/Medusa Cascade/Shadow Proclamation it's the Bad Wolf of the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naonak View Post
    That's more like it...!

    Bloody awesome. Just... yeah. Awesome.

    Major ZOMGage in the scene with the daughter and the soothsayer seeing into the Doctor's mind.

    David was brilliant, as always (kinda goes without saying, really ), but Catherine Tate impressed me too in the dramatic scenes near the end, which were fantastic.

    Another "lost"/"taken" planet, huh? I'm guessing that's something to do with
    Spoiler:
    Davros and the Daleks
    if they are back.

    9.5/10
    Oh oh! I totally over-looked the whole "lost planet" business. It must be a major arc. Very interesting stuff.

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    Smashing episode. It's going to be another great season.

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    As for the lost planet reference that pops up again, could it be that the major arc of this season could be related to one famous planet that was lost? A possible restoration of Gallifrey?


    Then again things aren't alway's as they seem. This shadow proclamation is also recurring, which makes me wonder. Man this is likely going to be another one of those exciting seasons.

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    Default Re: The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    Enjoyed this episode.

    Quite a few LOL moments...

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    "We're all girls" moment particularly for me...


    I must ashamedly admit that I was close to crying towards the end...

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    Basically I was shouting at the Doctor, telling him to listen to Donna, going 'Go back for them you moron!'...as you do.




    Good episode, this season now has potential in my mind.


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    I always see the Shadow Proclamation as being something along the lines of the Geneva Convention, or similar, now I'm wondering if it's not something along the lines of the United Nations.

    I really enjoyed this episode... I won't say it FELT like Classic Who, but it was in the true spirit of Doctor Who, unlike Partners in Crime. A true historical adventure on, let's face it, epic proportions. The Doctor's actions called into question and a demonstration of how difficult it is to carry that burden, one need only look at Genesis of the Daleks to see the Doctor hesitate even when one act of death can save so many...

    I also loved the fact that the first Doctor's adventure in Rome was referenced. It's a nice little love message to the fans.

    As for Donna. She's a true companion. I'm going to say it. She is a BETTER companion than Martha or Rose already. She's fulfilling the TRUE role of a companion. To show a HUMAN perspective, not to become the Doctor, or start acting like him, but to tell him when to stop, to cry when he walks away, and to highlight what's right and what's wrong. Donna reminds me of the old companions that would reel the Doctor in like Sarah Jane and Ian & Barbra. She is perfect.


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    This episode has single-handedly saved this season.

    I was, to be totally honest, not expecting much from this season as I felt 'Partners In Crime' was a bad way to start. 'The Fires Of Pompeii' is one of those episodes that people will remember Doctor Who for in years to come.

    The Doctor causing Vesuvius to erupt. I have to say, I was not expecting that. I was hoping to hear the adult Pryovile speak but you can't have everything.

    All in all, 10/10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reefgirl
    "She is returning" everyone (including me) assumes it's Rose, but is it? for a fleeting moment I thought of The Rani
    I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?
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    Teselecta: "Silence will fall when the question is asked."

    Doctor: "And what is the question?"

    Teselecta: "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

    Doctor: " *Brainfart* ".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Billz View Post
    This episode has single-handedly saved this season.

    I was, to be totally honest, not expecting much from this season as I felt 'Partners In Crime' was a bad way to start. 'The Fires Of Pompeii' is one of those episodes that people will remember Doctor Who for in years to come.

    The Doctor causing Vesuvius to erupt. I have to say, I was not expecting that. I was hoping to hear the adult Pryovile speak but you can't have everything.

    All in all, 10/10



    I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?
    Oooo goody, I *do* so hope it's the last one.


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    Default Re: The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Bennett View Post
    Oooo goody, I *do* so hope it's the last one.
    Sarcasm is not like you.

    Edit: Spoiler tags. Happy now?
    Teselecta: "Silence will fall when the question is asked."

    Doctor: "And what is the question?"

    Teselecta: "How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?"

    Doctor: " *Brainfart* ".


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    Default Re: The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    I... wasn't being sarcastic. And I wasn;t demanding spoiler tags, this is an episode discussion, there's no need to spoiler tag anything relating to this ep here...

    I was genuinly expressing a gleeful desire for Rose to return as an evil she-witch.

    Sorry for the misunderstanding...


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    Default Re: The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    1. TARDIS translation circuits were a good laugh.

    2. You could see where the Doctor was coming from in terms of not saving the city though Donna did have a point, she might well be a more interesting character this time round.

    3. The Pryovile had an interesting story, pity they picked the wrong planet to try and colonise.

    4. Roman characters were solid enough.

    Good ep. Next week the OOd come back.

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    Default Re: The Fires of Pompeii (3002/402)

    Quote Originally Posted by Billz View Post
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    I thought the same thing. I mean Rose is okay. But she shouldn't be brought back. Hope the Rani does make an appearance. Why bring back Rose anyway? Does she want to come home? Does she now hate the Doctor and want to see him suffer?
    The 'Hand from the last episode could be the 'She' that was refered to (it's what made me think of The Rani)

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    Ok, that's harsh and inappropriate. Hate the character yes, but don't take it out on the actress.

    Anyway, I disagree with you. In MY PERSONAL opinion, Donna has proven herself to be a much more worthy companion than Rose ever did. And that's in TWO episodes.


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    Hmm, I am really not sure about this one.
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    It had a lot of classic who about it which is surprising to me, as I thought the show was trying to move away from that kind of thing. I was unsettled by The Doctor's sudden character turn around from the days of classic Who where he would hardly hesitate to save a person... not talking about Pompeii but the family.

    I can put this down to what he has gone through recently, I can see it as being all about him having spent too much time on his own, and also he is a Timelord.

    However it irks me that it is left to Donna *again* to badger him into doing the moral thing, as I say back in the day hardly a hesitation, in fact at one point the TARDIS was full of strays, some who had lost everything and here he doesn't even take them with him in as much as he saves them by taking them to... Rome?

    I guess what annoys is that it really is left to Donna. I think that diminishes The Doctor in the end. I don't like that, not one little bit. He is the hero of the show not the bloody companion. Donna was good here, nothing against her, it is the way the show is treating The Doctor's morals and ethics that are annoying me. If I want to watch a show with heroes who are devoid of ethics I will watch Stargate Atlantis!

    As for the story, well it was alright. James did a pretty good job, while I wasn't that interested in the family at least they weren't annoying, the son was rather entertaining really.

    Also loved the man in the market that sold the TARDIS I kept getting Monty Python flashbacks! The cult/women's knitting group was all very 1970s Doctor Who, and the alien was, well an alien. Seems to be a lot of lost aliens these days, them days... whatever.

    Now that thread... that thing that is going to run through the series by the sounds of it... I think it is Rose
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    but it could be The Rani... or it may be "The Doctor's Daughter" I just hope Rose ain't the mum!
    I have to say like all the other threads in new Who I am not interested. It is distracting, maybe the kids like it but I find it a little too silly now. Also where is the surprise? You basically end up with everyone throwing in their two cents of an idea on who "she" is and so by the time the ep airs we have all heard at least one name or idea about who "she" is and that takes away any 'surprise' element. Imho. *shrugs*

    Better then last week but hasn't hit its stride yet.

    Next week! Yay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow'sCat View Post
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    I was unsettled by The Doctor's sudden character turn around from the days of classic Who where he would hardly hesitate to save a person... not talking about Pompeii but the family.

    I can put this down to what he has gone through recently, I can see it as being all about him having spent too much time on his own, and also he is a Timelord.

    However it irks me that it is left to Donna *again* to badger him into doing the moral thing, as I say back in the day hardly a hesitation, in fact at one point the TARDIS was full of strays, some who had lost everything and here he doesn't even take them with him in as much as he saves them by taking them to... Rome?

    I guess what annoys is that it really is left to Donna. I think that diminishes The Doctor in the end. I don't like that, not one little bit. He is the hero of the show not the bloody companion. Donna was good here, nothing against her, it is the way the show is treating The Doctor's morals and ethics that are annoying me. If I want to watch a show with heroes who are devoid of ethics I will watch Stargate Atlantis!
    I think it's just down to the timeline thing. IMO he was clearly pretty torn up about having to do it, but it was historically fixed (or whatever) that they were to die, so as a Time Lord he has to stick to that.

    (Although no big flying Father's Day time-beasties...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naonak View Post
    I think it's just down to the timeline thing. IMO he was clearly pretty torn up about having to do it, but it was historically fixed (or whatever) that they were to die, so as a Time Lord he has to stick to that.

    (Although no big flying Father's Day time-beasties...)
    I haven't watched Father's Day... I have, but not... parts of it.

    I was watching the confidential and RTD does address this as does DT and CT but I am still left thinking they (tptb) are relying on the companion too much for The Doctor's morals in all of this. I am not saying in William Hartnell's day there wasn't similar happenings but it seemed more pronounced here.

    Maybe I am reading too much into it, maybe it has been this way for a while.

    I never thought or wanted him to save Pompeii but as he is suppose to be the reason Pompeii is destroyed in this story (although he isn't the real reason, in reality it is the aliens and the mountain not The Doctor) all The Doctor can do is make a choice between two bad situations. I understand all of that. I even understand him being, after the Timewar, a different man/Timelord but I still think Tom's Doctor would have opened his bag of jelly babies with little hesitation.

    This is a kids show so I like that they still are introducing ethics and morals into the equation and that it is not all black and white. So that is something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marty2006 View Post
    I was never talking about the character.
    And your point is? GW rules do not allow you or me or anyone to say negative things about the actors, unless they are constructive, polite and to do with their acting performance.

    You can say Tate is not to my liking as an actor, or that you think Billie is better. Calling Tate a "tool" would IMHO go against GW rules. A Mod can/do/may disagree with my interpretation of the rules but I stand by it.

    You can call Donna a tool, if you must, but not Tate. When was Donna's last name Tate? I thought it was Noble?

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