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    Default Re: Hive Ship Vs Battlestar Pegasus

    or he'd crash the most recently found aurora class ship into the hive and say "yippee-kay-yay MF" as he does it.
    That's the plan?!? That's the plan. That plan sucks!

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    This is funny because I was going to do a similar thread on another board. The differences being that mine was going to be full forces vs full forces. While thinking through the variables a couple of things occurred to me. Do the Colonials have nuclear shells for their Battlestar cannons? If they do they would likely not be commonly deployed otherwise Gal or Peg would have had them. But if Peg did have them and could jump near by and fire a full volley of them at a hive the Battlestar could win.

    But without them I see no chance for Peg as the hive ship would have blown her apart before she could inflict enough damage to the hive.

    The other variable that I wondered about is if the size of the rail gun shells is large enough that they are vulnerable to interception?

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    at the time of the attack on the colonies, pegasus was undergoing refit. there would have been no reason for her to carry such ordnance. plus the security issues with extra personnel on board at the time of the refit. such specialized ordnance would have probably been offloaded before the refit began. or at least extra security in the magazines if they were kept on board.
    That's the plan?!? That's the plan. That plan sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 123NotIt View Post
    at the time of the attack on the colonies, pegasus was undergoing refit. there would have been no reason for her to carry such ordnance. plus the security issues with extra personnel on board at the time of the refit. such specialized ordnance would have probably been offloaded before the refit began. or at least extra security in the magazines if they were kept on board.
    Then why did they leave Pegs other nukes on board?

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    i didnt think pegasus had railguns i thought those ship to ship weapons in bsg were convential cannons the kind of thing you find in fighters and on naval ships

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    The orndnance is accelerated by magnetic rails as it launches. The cannons can hold a variety of ammunition, from flak rounds to to heavy anti-capital ship shells. BSG nuclear ship-to-ship missiles possess unknown yields and use an unknown material as the active agent, so we can't really draw a comparison. Battlestars posess heavy hull armour, Mercury-class ships such as the Pegasus especially so. The Vipers fire bullets that appear to acquire some sort of energy sheathing as they exit the gun barrels. I know very little about the hive ships. I won't predict anything, but I will say that with a concentrated missile and cannon barrage the Pegasus could theoretically destroy or at least heavily damage a hive ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman View Post
    The orndnance is accelerated by magnetic rails as it launches. The cannons can hold a variety of ammunition, from flak rounds to to heavy anti-capital ship shells. BSG nuclear ship-to-ship missiles possess unknown yields and use an unknown material as the active agent, so we can't really draw a comparison. Battlestars posess heavy hull armour, Mercury-class ships such as the Pegasus especially so. The Vipers fire bullets that appear to acquire some sort of energy sheathing as they exit the gun barrels. I know very little about the hive ships. I won't predict anything, but I will say that with a concentrated missile and cannon barrage the Pegasus could theoretically destroy or at least heavily damage a hive ship.
    the original naquadah enhanced nuke from stargate the movie, which was pretty much a nuke sitting on top of a box of naquadah had a yield 100 times greater than a conventional nuclear weapon the daedalus has the latest naquadah and naquadriah enhanced nukes, railguns made from trinium which i'm pretty sure are alot more powerful than normal railguns, and asgard shields and it still couldn't take a hive (although to be fair the size difference is like a bass boat fighting a destroyer and the hive shoots energy blasts the size of the daedalus) i think the pegasus is outclassed in every way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ouroboros View Post
    Next up, Serenity vs the Deathstar.
    well serenity wins that, will a babe like River Tam or kayleigh they just cant loose, its called a ''all the guys on the death star are too busy wankin off to fight'' shield...

    or just an awesome shield!!!

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    Pegaus would do better than you think yor all asuming it will fight like a battle ship it wouldnt if lee is in comand it would fight like a carier (no one in stargate does this) stay out of wepons range load up the vipers with nukes and off you go vipers are better than darts a frign light machine gun can down darts

    also the wraith have nothing to defend againt say a raptor FTLing realy close and launching nukes

    Its fair to say the BSG crew are far far better at tactics than anyone in stargate possibl exception of some travlers (they actualy manuver double up on single targets ect)

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    The problem I see is the number of fighters that each side has, the wraith can and will intercept everyone of the nukes fired by Pegasus. The vipers are Pegasus's only offensive weapon in this fight, where as the wraith fighters can only be defensive. If the Pegasus's flak can shoot down wraith weapons, you will get a stalemate, the vipers will never make it through a swarm of darts, there's just too many. Also the Pegasus definitely can't generate its own reinforcements, where as the wraith can grow everything they need, except humans, so in a stalemate the wraith would win. The wraith tend to win when it's a numbers game.

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    The Wraith do not win because of numbers, since the Darts can be dealt with by the point defense stations en masse, and Darts need to come very close to their targets in general. I've yet to see them attack at more than 100-200 meters effectively, and I think I'm being generous here. Sure, the target will be massive, but even against space ships, Darts tend to get very close.

    The Wraith will win because their ship is massive, covered with armour that has been seen capable of dealing with at least two digits megaton nukes and nearly shrug, as such it can take a lot of fire, and is filled with energy weapons capable of nuke yields and can fire them rapidly.

    They can only lose if the lower amount of Vipers and Raptors carry nukes and, for some reason, manage to sneak one inside a hiveship at a critical point. But that would require knowing the insides of a hiveship and have good sensors to scan it as a whole from a good distance, which they don't, battleships and fighters combined.

    They'd need to cross fingers and rely on dumb luck to jump inside one of a hiveship's vast hangar bays.

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    Hive ship would pwnzor a battlestar hands down.
    Hive ship energy weapons would rip the battlestar apart in a few shots.
    While as weve seen railguns are rather inefective in a long term battle against hives, and the missiles would be taken out by suicide darts. all in all, the battlestar is no match for a hive ship, and IMO, nothing in BSG is


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    I say Pegasus would have a chance.
    it would fight like a carier (no one in stargate does this) stay out of wepons range load up the vipers with nukes and off you go vipers are better than darts a frign light machine gun can down darts
    That's a good point. And if the nukes were launched into the hive ship when the armor was open... By the way, is a kiloton more than a megaton?

    And what about the Original Series Pegasus? Hmm?

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    Warhead range from:

    Smallest
    Kiloton-
    Megaton-
    Gigaton-
    Teraton-
    Biggest

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    Vipers are verry good fighters they reglarly hold teir own outmumbered 552 (bastars airwing to 120 tops on early on galactica had only 40) and cylon raiders are better than darts hands down so much so its not even funny.

    I agree if the writh got in wepons range pegasus would go down in minutes few but kamakasi dart wouldnt pass the flack barier

    It would become a fighter battle and its certainly wouldnt be one sided we nee t know how many darts a hive can feild i reon the vipers could reasonably acheive a 10 to 1 kill ratio the darts would be no match + the raptor missile picket about 20 raptors x 10 missiles each tha would certaily blunt the frst wave.

    Also pegasus is way more mobile than a hive it FTL is better int can roll to protect a damaget side doubling surviability.

    The weakness of stargate races is they are all plain stupid the smartest race in terms of ship battles is the travlers but they would be novces in BSG all they do is make a fight vertical to increase their speed advantage fire at the same ship at the same time and ambush people (shepard) the lucien alliance ar probly the next smartes the rest are all idiots

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnadreth View Post
    Warhead range from:

    Smallest
    Kiloton-
    Megaton-
    Gigaton-
    Teraton-
    Biggest
    Also note that each one of those levels is 1000 times more powerful than the one preceeding it. So 1 megaton is equal to 1000 kilotons for example.

    Pegasus standard weapons likely don't even reach into the kiloton levels of energy. They're giant rocket driven railgun slugs but they don't have nuclear warheads.

    Nukes in BSG can range anywhere from kilotons to megatons. So Peggy's nuclear missiles would fall somewhere in that range. I'm inclinded toward megatons myself since they're fairly large missiles and Adama was threatening to use some of the ones he off loaded to Galactica to destroy a continent or something to that effect in that episode with the shrine. Now granted to literally destroy an entire continent you'll need a lot more than that even but the Cylons dropped 50 megaton bombs on Caprica so I don't see any reason why the biggest colonial nukes won't at least be on par with that. We also know that in BSG nuke hits are generally a fairly big deal. The Pegasus has survived a few of them in the past but no more than an handful and nukes are regarded as such an exceptional concern that there's special detection sensors to detect them in advance.

    The hive on the other hand has taken hits from nukes that were probably in the low gigaton range. I'm talking about the nuke in no mans land here that hit it on the outside. Now nobody ever stated a yeild for them but since we know that the SGC could already build 1 gigaton goa'uld busters in SG-1 season 1 and the small mines Everett brought with him in siege were each worth 1.2 gigatons it's hard to find a reason why the nukes they equipped the Daedalus with would be any weaker than those. There was an episode where the Daedalus used a 26 megaton nuke but that was to cause the Ori gate to redirect and McKay was already concerned that even 26 megatons would possibly blow the gate up.

    Since hives can survive hits from gigaton level nukes and they can destroy each other then that suggests that their own weapons are likely in the mid to high megaton or low gigaton range per shot as well, depending on how powerful you think the Daedalus nuke might have been. Even if you use the 26 megaton number you still end up with a hive that can rapid fire pulses of probably about 5-10 megatons a peice. Even that's more than enough to wreck the Pegasus in fairly short order.

    Add into that the fact that it's unlikely that the hives darts will have any trouble intercepting a missile from the Pegasus, since in general they don't seem much faster than the ones fired from the Daedalus and the hive is likely to pull it's darts on defense once it sees how quickly Pegasus' point defense can shred them. The vipers could likely clear a hole through the dart screen given enough time but that's just the problem. They don't have the time. Once the hive gets in range of the pegasus it'll be crippled or destroyed in moments and since the hive is almost certainly faster there's no way for the Pegasus to keep away from it short of an ftl jump which again takes time.

    The only way I see the hive going down in this is if they try to cripple and board the pegasus to feed on the crew rather than just destroy it. In that case they're going to get a nasty surprise to the tune of several thousand humans with actual effective weapons and in that melee somebody might manage to get a nuke onto the hive if they board ship to ship, or just set one off on the Pegasus, taking the hive with it.

    Cain will also scare the hivequeen.

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    Pegasus manuvers alot better than a hive see it in exodus 2 a hive has never come close to that a hive is probly faster in a straiight line but no BS comander is that stupid they would stay way out of range

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    And I shall repeat, what about the Original Series Pegasus?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eps200 View Post
    I agree if the writh got in wepons range pegasus would go down in minutes few but kamakasi dart wouldnt pass the flack barier
    Not really. remember early in season 1... that cylon transport made it through the flak barrier.

    It would become a fighter battle and its certainly wouldnt be one sided we nee t know how many darts a hive can feild i reon the vipers could reasonably acheive a 10 to 1 kill ratio the darts would be no match + the raptor missile picket about 20 raptors x 10 missiles each tha would certaily blunt the frst wave.
    I would say upwards of 300... Just from what we have seen on screen of them emptying out the dart bays.

    As to staying out of range,, what is the effective range of the wraith hives lazers?

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    Don't forget this tactic: Draw the Darts away by having Pegasus fake an FTL failure and bugger off at sublight. Then have a Raptor jump in close and fire nukes into
    the Hive's interior.

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