Illogical Final Battle in "Ark of Truth"? (spoilers for AoT, obviously)

[The.Road.Not.Taken]

how was that possible? Cooper didn't bother to explain that. They just opened that box and suddenly Adria was weaker

its possible because Adria got all her powers from the prior granted she had some of her power because she is ascended thats why morgan could kick her ass

[Aegis]

How? I doubt the Doci has powers like that and even if he did, Adria could easily strip him of them should he move against her.


Doesn't matter. It should still give Adria power. How many planets have fallen to the Ori now? And how many worshippers is the Milky Way totaling by now? Hundreds of thousands, at the least.

Anubis vs. Oma. Ancient Ascended Being vs. Half-Ascended Being. Outcome? Eternal stalemate.

One Single Ori being worshipped by hundreds of thousands vs. One Single Ancient with as far as we know zero worshippers = Dead Morgan le Fay.

And you're still forgetting about the part where Anubis told Oma "You can't kill me" to which Oma replied "No, but I can fight you and all you can do is fight back". Of course, it could be argued the Others put in state some kind of mechanism against killing Anubis (for whatever reason) but that would just be stupid.

Erm, actually lets make that nearly a whole galaxy of people in Pegasus that worship the Lanteans as gods. Remember Halling's prair to the Ancients (Ancesters) "Fathers of light, of the everlasting temple" and since thats a whole galaxy and Adria only had some of the milky way and some of the Ori galaxy, that makes them even

[garhkal]

I agree, it is annoying. What Morgan said was that Adria's power would be greatly diminished, not nullified. This is canonical evidence for that just by turning the Priors in the Ori galaxy and the Doci, not all of Adria's power was taken away.

Hence, she still should have more power than a lone rogue Ancient (who was banished and who was still toeing the line in how much she could interfere) unless said Ancient had a ton of worshippers who worshipped her personally.

Also, to whoever said that Ascended beings should be able to kill each other, I'n not saying that's not true. I'm saying that in Threads, Oma and Anubis set the precedent that Ascended beings of equal strength will be forever locked in a stalemate, not that they would destroy each other... unless for whatever reason, the Others put in state a mechanism that made it impossible to kill Anubis (but that would be stupid) and Oma was far, far, far stronger than him, making it impossible for both of them to kill each other.

Maybe since Adria was only NEWLY ascended, she had not gotten a full grasp on USING her ascended powers, where as Morgan has been that way for 1000s of years.

[Snowman37]

Wow, you just replied to a post from January 20th, 2008.

[garhkal]

I do that from time to time.. Didn't see this thread back then.

[Alteran Prior]

Who cares if the minds of the Priors and the Doci have changed? They cannot force people to believe what they believe (at the very least there's been nothing to show tha tthey're capable of doing it). Hence, the people not within earshot of Priors would still be worshipping the Ori (Adria)..................

Even if there were, say, one Prior on every planet, their shouting can only carry the sounds of their voices so far. Not everyone on every planet would even be able to hear their pleas for people to stop worshipping Adria. Not to mention the few (many?) who would react like the Doci, drop to his knees and cry.


Yeah, the brains of the Priors and the Doci. The Priors, however, do not have the power to brainwash followers (as it's against Origin to brainwash people into believing in it... you have to do it the old fashioned way).

It doesn't matter if a whole bunch of Priors and the Doci stopped believing in Adria. There would still be followers................




The problem would still be "How did Morgan become strong enough to be at least close to as strong as Adria while she's powered by the few remanining Ori believers"? That's where the problem lies.

See the following quote from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate:_The_Ark_of_Truth

When the Ark is activated and opened, the Doci is caught by the beam and made to see that the Ori are not gods and spreads this belief to all of the Priors in the Ori galaxy and through them their followers.

And this quote from http://www.gateworld.net/movies/02.shtml

The truth about the Ori, programmed by the Alterans millions of years ago, is reflected to all other Priors via their staffs -- and instantly transmitted to all the humans near them, on planets and ships throughout the galaxy..............

Returning to the S.G.C. with the Ark, Daniel, Teal'c and Landry expose the one-eyed Prior. Through him, the other Ori followers in the Milky Way learn the truth and abandon the fight.

The "converting energy/message" from the Ark was received by the brain of the Doci and then relayed from the Doci to the Prior staffs which sent the signal to the brains of the Priors and then to the brains of the regular human followers. Neither the Doci nor the Priors had to consciously make an effort to convert anyone. They were simply relays used by the Ark device itself to accomplish its function of sending out its conversion signal to everyone in the galaxy in which it was located.