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    Default All those Aurora-Classes and ZPMs...

    Did it sort of annoy anyone that even though they knew all the Asurans were going to hypercondense into some superhuge godzilla RepliBlob, and and knowing they have two ships with Asgard beam technology: they didn't attempt to set up teams to loot the city or ships as they did in the first episode of the season post-RepliBobification?

    I mean they had a golden opertunity to pick up all but six Asuran ZPMs (in the end even those six) while the RepliBlob formed. Or Beam on some of the ships and grab some ZPMs or the ships themselves. They know how to pilot an Aurora-Class already, and alot of people have the ATA Gene now, it would be completely possible. They could have at least stolen some of the smaller still hyperdrive able ships from This Mortal Coil.

    Granted I know they tried to take out the hyperdrives and strand the ships so that sort of explains the lack of ship stealing but come on... aquiring ZPMs is like priority number one. McKay seemed to have beemed into a ZPM room with Ronan and crew, he could of at least grabbed that one when the RepliBlob formed and he knew a ZPM overload wasn't going to happen.

    I know the creators don't want to overpower or overendow our heroes but I just couldn't believe some of this stuff didn't come up.

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    Thats what I have been saying and it pissed me off so much that we didn't get anything at all and their was so much for the taking. It was like christmas but instead of presnets everyone just left
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    I was hoping that the next episode "Spoils of War" would be about this, but when the planet blew I knew everything was destroyed. And Spoils of War seems to be about an abandoned Wraith vessel anyways. We've already stolen one of those

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land010 View Post
    I was hoping that the next episode "Spoils of War" would be about this, but when the planet blew I knew everything was destroyed. And Spoils of War seems to be about an abandoned Wraith vessel anyways. We've already stolen one of those
    Pfft...why not another. Besides, that one took a couple of nuke hits,
    Spoiler:
    this one seems to be a lot more, salvageable.
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    Now that I think about I don't even know if I would want those piece of crap rep ships they were so weak it was not even funny
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    i thought it was a good episode

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    No it didn't make me mad they didn't get any loot.
    First, the plan was to use the ZPM's the detonate the repi-blob. When that didn't work out, Mckay changed the repli-blob to sink into the planets crust. From the time that happened to the time the planet exploded was a very short amount of time. Looked like they basically had time to beam the team up and go into hyperspace.

    As far the aurora class ships, when the replicators were being sucked down into the planet, it compromised the hulls of the ships, rendering them useless. The ships themselves were powerful, the shields were overwhelmed by a lot of darts and rail gun fire, draining their power. Similar to how the wraith defeated the Ancients in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fugiman View Post
    Now that I think about I don't even know if I would want those piece of crap rep ships they were so weak it was not even funny
    Actually now that you mention it... thats true. Those Auroras really were weak. They really seemed to lack shields, what was up with that?! I mean they lasted about as long as the Orion did, and the Orion had no shields. They were ambushed though so whatever...

    When Thor and the Asgard destroyed the Replicator ship in New Order they hit it as it emerged from hyperspace when the shields were down to kick it's ass. When they first started hitting the Auroras thats what I thought was happening...

    i thought it was a good episode
    I did too. It's one of the best Atlantis episodes yet, a little bit fast paced but I really liked that about it. Plus it was just very visually stunning. It really blew me away.

    I just wanted them to get a ZPM or a ship or something out of destroying most of the Asurans... seems fair to me.

    No it didn't make me mad they didn't get any loot.
    First, the plan was to use the ZPM's the detonate the repi-blob. When that didn't work out, Mckay changed the repli-blob to sink into the planets crust. From the time that happened to the time the planet exploded was a very short amount of time. Looked like they basically had time to beam the team up and go into hyperspace.
    The Asurans had alot more than six ZPMs. In Lifeline they stole a ZPM just from some isolated part of the city, so there were without a doubt way more than the six they needed to blow up the planet if the Asurans have these things lying around. Keep in mind the Tria was powered by a ZPM, so it's probobly fairly standard for an Aurora Class to have a ZPM.

    Eeh good call on the decompression of the ships though when the nanites were sucked down, I didn't really think about that. I mean I knew stealing ships was sort of a long shot I just wish they had thought about it or something. Stealing ZPMs seemed alot more plausible and/or likely to me. I'd just like to see Atlantis with more than one ZPM because I want to see what systems would come online with more power, could open some intresting plots up.
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    I think McKay said there were like 35 or something
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    I believe there were 39 replicator ships altogether. Still, you can't overendow the heroes, as the op said. It takes away from the drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggrhaapi View Post
    I believe there were 39 replicator ships altogether. Still, you can't overendow the heroes, as the op said. It takes away from the drama.
    It was 30 rep ships
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    Quote Originally Posted by fugiman View Post
    It was 30 rep ships
    By the final battle, yes, but I just saw the episode and they killed 9 of them before the final battle happened. Remember that it was the Replicators retreating that prompted the assault against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by triggrhaapi View Post
    By the final battle, yes, but I just saw the episode and they killed 9 of them before the final battle happened. Remember that it was the Replicators retreating that prompted the assault against them.
    I thought you meant at the final battle
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    This episode really makes me wonder: with the new Asgard tech, what is the need for ZPMs? Either those beam weapons are very, very efficient or we have access to Asgard ion generator technology. I'd wager on a combination of both.

    As far as Auroras are concerned, it would have just been too complex and risky to try to grab one when time was such an issue. And again, the power of the 304s now makes it practically a non-issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazarus2405 View Post
    This episode really makes me wonder: with the new Asgard tech, what is the need for ZPMs? Either those beam weapons are very, very efficient or we have access to Asgard ion generator technology. I'd wager on a combination of both.

    As far as Auroras are concerned, it would have just been too complex and risky to try to grab one when time was such an issue. And again, the power of the 304s now makes it practically a non-issue.
    Which brings up an interesting point. Why have we not build a third one yet?

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    Or where is the Odyssey? Cuz this takes place after the Ark of Truth (only possibly time) Also I really don't understand this tech vs tech. Either those beam weapons are beyond Ancient tech or the Replicators tech isn't up to Ancient tech. Either way need TPTB to explain. Also is it just me or do Hive ships explode with much much more force then an Aurora class ship?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepliVeggie View Post
    Or where is the Odyssey? Cuz this takes place after the Ark of Truth (only possibly time) Also I really don't understand this tech vs tech. Either those beam weapons are beyond Ancient tech or the Replicators tech isn't up to Ancient tech. Either way need TPTB to explain. Also is it just me or do Hive ships explode with much much more force then an Aurora class ship?
    Overall I thought the episode was quite well done. I actually liked the part where Colonel Ellis finally told Rodney off, because let's admit it: Rodney can be quite annoying at times. Ellis could have used a bit more tact, but still.

    Regarding my theory on the Odyssey, is that the IOA wanted to have one of their 3 Asgard-enhanced battlecruisers close to home, in case some as-of-yet unknown enemy were to show up at Earth's doorstep. They don't want to get caught with their pants down, so to speak

    I think it's safe to assume that the Ori threat was/will be neutralized during the Ark of Truth, as we saw in tonights episode, Earth had 2 Asgard-enhanced ships, and absolutely no mention about the Ori being able to track them down. If that is the case, I sincerely hope Earth creates more 304-type ships, or possibly a brand new model with more extensive Asgard modifications built-in.

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    This is one of the many plot holes it the episode

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkthunder84 View Post
    I think it's safe to assume that the Ori threat was/will be neutralized during the Ark of Truth, as we saw in tonights episode, Earth had 2 Asgard-enhanced ships, and absolutely no mention about the Ori being able to track them down. If that is the case, I sincerely hope Earth creates more 304-type ships, or possibly a brand new model with more extensive Asgard modifications built-in.
    The Ori are only able to track the Asgard computer core, not the beam weapons. As the core was more of a repository than any kind of control system, there would be no need for the Daedalus or Apollo to have one. I doubt we could recreate something like that anyway.
    As it stands, the only 304 vulnerable to being tracked is the Odyssey, and even then only when they have their core activated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Land010 View Post

    McKay seemed to have beemed into a ZPM room with Ronan and crew, he could of at least grabbed that one when the RepliBlob formed and he knew a ZPM overload wasn't going to happen.
    McKay, Ronan and Marines beamed into the replicator core room so even if McKay wanted to, he couldn't take a ZPM as he was in the wrong place

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