The way of things now....

[jdog]

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So who is this, weir, weir replicator look alike or a weir clone?

Who are these rebel replicators and are they who they appear to be?

From her comments it appeared they assumed the SGA crew would launch an attack on the replicator planet but how? could they have contacted FRAN or manipulated the blob?

SO many questions I dont know where to start.

[RepliHawk]

I just liked how the episode turned out it was one of the best

[jdog]

It was,

Indeed.

interesting that weir character has more lifes than I think any other SG personality.

First we had the blonde weir, then brunette weir, then the weir who went back 10,000 years to keep atlanis from being destroyed, then cloned weir and now this incarnation.

I think this is so far the best season since the first.

[Cban]

maybe this new wier is the new leader of niams rebel faction after the death of the keller look a like they were in hiding just like she said

[ancient1978]

I would say that Weir and other replicators seek ascension to get back to Ancients and to destroy them in that way. It is their hidden plan. I don't think they are good ..they just appear to be that way. Best way is to play human emotions against them. To give them something to belive in.

[Mitchell82]

I would say that Weir and other replicators seek ascension to get back to Ancients and to destroy them in that way. It is their hidden plan. I don't think they are good ..they just appear to be that way. Best way is to play human emotions against them. To give them something to belive in.

I don't know about that. I think Niams faction really truly wants to get rid of their agression code and truly ascend, not exterminate the Ancients.

[Jumper_One]

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So who is this, weir, weir replicator look alike or a weir clone?

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I think it's either RepliWeir or DupliWeir. the real Weir is most likely dead imo

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Who are these rebel replicators

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why do you assume those are rebel replicators?

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and are they who they appear to be?

who knows

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From her comments it appeared they assumed the SGA crew would launch an attack on the replicator planet but how? could they have contacted FRAN or manipulated the blob?

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I didn't understand her that way but she was certainly glad to finally work without Oberoth and the other replicators. another reason why this is not the real Weir imo

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SO many questions I dont know where to start.

yup

[st00rm]

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why do you assume those are rebel replicators?

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well if you're not part of the main attack group, you're part of the rebels

[2ndgenerationalteran]

IF its a ascension faction it would explain how wier gained dominance so quickly. If they spirited her away when she was supposed to have died her formal human self's concious could have remained and her "soul" is still intact and she could be leading the rest to ascencion.

[Zar_wolf]

Spoiler:

So who is this, weir, weir replicator look alike or a weir clone?

Who are these rebel replicators and are they who they appear to be?

From her comments it appeared they assumed the SGA crew would launch an attack on the replicator planet but how? could they have contacted FRAN or manipulated the blob?

SO many questions I dont know where to start.

All very good questions.

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First, I think this is the real Weir. Not a repliclone or anything, but that's my opinion. The truth is we don't know yet.

Well, evidently they aren't part of the main replicator. They may or may not be Naim's rebels though.

I think they just had a gut feeling that Atlantis would eventually strike back against the replis. As for contracting Fran/manipulating the blob, they probably weren't even there for that.

~Zar Wolf

[Lightbane]

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They wouldn't have been able to have been there, they would have risked being attacked by the other replicators and also by the fleet of enemy ships, not to mention they are still made of nanites so they'd be attracted by the blob. So no manip there possible. Theres no way at all that Fran would be rescued she IS the blob. Take her away and the blob falls apart.

[Arative]

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I think it is the real Weir in this episode and in Mortal coil. What ever plan she has, she needed the replicators out of the way and the best way to do that get Atlantis to do it for her. She knew exactly what strings to pull to get Atlantis to do it for her and one of the best ways is for Atlantis to think their Weir is dead. That way they have no reason to think they needed rescue her before destroying the Replicators.

[Jumper_One]

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I think it is the real Weir in this episode and in Mortal coil. What ever plan she has, she needed the replicators out of the way and the best way to do that get Atlantis to do it for her. She knew exactly what strings to pull to get Atlantis to do it for her and one of the best ways is for Atlantis to think their Weir is dead. That way they have no reason to think they needed rescue her before destroying the Replicators.

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um the Weir in TMC was DupliWeir and most certainly died at the end. so if this is the real Weir why doesn't she contact Atlantis? what are her motives? what is she doing on a ship full of replicators? wouldn't it make sense to let Atlantis know she's still alive? this is what the real would do imo

[ur uncle urgo]

not to change the subject or anything but...

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am i crazy or was that Niams voice at the very end just before Weir was talking. it sounded like he was over the radio and not on the ship.

[Arative]

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um the Weir in TMC was DupliWeir and most certainly died at the end. so if this is the real Weir why doesn't she contact Atlantis? what are her motives? what is she doing on a ship full of replicators? wouldn't it make sense to let Atlantis know she's still alive? this is what the real would do imo

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How do you know it was a DupliWeir in TMC because she said so? Essentially, DupliWeir was organic with nanites, the same as Weir. The only way we know that it wasn't the real Weir is that the Replicators said it wasn't the real Weir. Most likely the same Replicators that were shown at the end of BAMSR.

So lets assume for a moment that it was the real Weir. Given what was said in TMC, the Niam faction want to ascend, Weir is either in charge of them or a part of them. Now they can't try to ascend because Oberoth is standing in their way. The Niam faction is too small to take control of the entire group of Replicators. So they enlist Atlantis to do it for them.

Now we know Sheppard wouldn't leave anyone behind. So Atlantis wouldn't willing destroy the Replicators as long as Elizabeth is alive. Therein comes the plan that we saw in TMC, make organic replicants of the team, they "discover" another organic replicant Weir.

So now that Atlantis knows their Weir is supposedly dead, they are free to try and destroy the replicators. So the events unfold in BAMSR as they do. In the end we see the real Weir, with the Niam faction and now that the other replicators are out of the way, they are free to begin their work.

Now of course this makes some assumptions and leaps in logic. I just don't think that the writers would kill Elizabeth Weir off screen like that. It could be that Elizabeth is being controlled by the nanites, could be that she just doesn't like what she became. I don't think she is evil but I don't think she has Atlantis' best interest at heart any more. This is all guess work on my part and I could be wrong.

[Jumper_One]

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How do you know it was a DupliWeir in TMC because she said so? Essentially, DupliWeir was organic with nanites, the same as Weir. The only way we know that it wasn't the real Weir is that the Replicators said it wasn't the real Weir. Most likely the same Replicators that were shown at the end of BAMSR.

So lets assume for a moment that it was the real Weir. Given what was said in TMC, the Niam faction want to ascend, Weir is either in charge of them or a part of them. Now they can't try to ascend because Oberoth is standing in their way. The Niam faction is too small to take control of the entire group of Replicators. So they enlist Atlantis to do it for them.

Now we know Sheppard wouldn't leave anyone behind. So Atlantis wouldn't willing destroy the Replicators as long as Elizabeth is alive. Therein comes the plan that we saw in TMC, make organic replicants of the team, they "discover" another organic replicant Weir.

So now that Atlantis knows their Weir is supposedly dead, they are free to try and destroy the replicators. So the events unfold in BAMSR as they do. In the end we see the real Weir, with the Niam faction and now that the other replicators are out of the way, they are free to begin their work.

Now of course this makes some assumptions and leaps in logic. I just don't think that the writers would kill Elizabeth Weir off screen like that. It could be that Elizabeth is being controlled by the nanites, could be that she just doesn't like what she became. I don't think she is evil but I don't think she has Atlantis' best interest at heart any more. This is all guess work on my part and I could be wrong.

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hehe you know that's actually quite interesting. at first I didn't get what you meant, I guess this isn't as easy after all. ok IIRC we only know that the team in TMC along with Weir were duplicates because of RepliKeller (who also said the real Weir's dead). so yeah AFAIK everything you described is entirely possible. however you said yourself that those are a lot of assumptions

I'd agree that we still don't know what happened to the Weir from Lifeline but I do believe that the team in TMC were duplicates. also remember there practically is no more 'real Weir', our Weir became RepliWeir in Adrift when the nanites saved her life (I'd say it's probably 70% nanites and 30% real Weir left, just a guess of course). I don't know if she's evil either but I certainly agree that this Weir most likely isn't another ally of the Atlantis expedition

[Mitchell82]

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hehe you know that's actually quite interesting. at first I didn't get what you meant, I guess this isn't as easy after all. ok IIRC we only know that the team in TMC along with Weir were duplicates because of RepliKeller (who also said the real Weir's dead). so yeah AFAIK everything you described is entirely possible. however you said yourself that those are a lot of assumptions

I'd agree that we still don't know what happened to the Weir from Lifeline but I do believe that the team in TMC were duplicates. also remember there practically is no more 'real Weir', our Weir became RepliWeir in Adrift when the nanites saved her life (I'd say it's probably 70% nanites and 30% real Weir left, just a guess of course). I don't know if she's evil either but I certainly agree that this Weir most likely isn't another ally of the Atlantis expedition

Agh my head hurts now. It sure isn't as simple as I thought either.

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As you said regardless our Weir is dead. Even ifher body still somewhat exists she was taken over by the end of Lifeline. At this point the Elizabeth we knew is dead. The question here is, is it RepliWeir or another nanite duplicate. Either way she is certaintly not an ally.

[Jumper_One]

Agh my head hurts now. It sure isn't as simple as I thought either.

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As you said regardless our Weir is dead. Even ifher body still somewhat exists she was taken over by the end of Lifeline. At this point the Elizabeth we knew is dead. The question here is, is it RepliWeir or another nanite duplicate. Either way she is certaintly not an ally.

yeah it certainly isn't that easy. and I agree with what you said. btw why are we still using spoilers? I think this thread was moved, anyway...

[Lord batchi ball]

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I think it is the real Weir in this episode and in Mortal coil. What ever plan she has, she needed the replicators out of the way and the best way to do that get Atlantis to do it for her. She knew exactly what strings to pull to get Atlantis to do it for her and one of the best ways is for Atlantis to think their Weir is dead. That way they have no reason to think they needed rescue her before destroying the Replicators.

I completly agree, I posted about the same thing in anther thread.

[spinspinspin]

I agree with Arative as well. This is what I think happened.

Sometime before TMC, Weir probably staged some kind of rebellion and started her own rebel replicator faction, like repliKeller did. Maybe some kind of mini civil war happened and Weir managed to escape. Oberoth's cover story is that they destroyed Weir.

Then Oberoth hunted down and found repliKeller's faction and destroyed them too. I don't think the repliWeir in TMC is the same as the real Weir.

Weir has her own plan now, and whatever it is, it required for Oberoth's group to be out of the way. Maybe Weir likes being partly nanite and want to "improve" everyone like this. Maybe her crew aren't rebel replicators at all but random humans she convinced (or forced) to take nanite injections. Maybe her crew has both replicators and humans.

I would be interested in seeing a Weir with a vision of trying to improve the greater good, and have her ideas not always be consistent with Atlantis' greater good.