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[Trek_Girl42]

I don't know about anyone else, but I hope the whole Claire's-Blood-Can-Save-Everyone thing comes with a price. Obviously it's been awhile since Nathan had Adam's, but maybe there will be side-affects that take awhile to surface? That might make the whole idea a little more acceptable, and hopefully deter it from being used as a plot device on other characters. *shrugs* Though I don't want anything to happen to HRG.....

[Dusk]

No no no no NO no NO NO NOOOO!!!!!

I am watching a completely different program to the one I once enjoyed so much. I'm so sad this show has nose-dived so soon! Everything sucked! There were so many out-of-character scenes, these people were aliens to me. Peter, for instance, should be popped in the head for having come so close to allowing Adam to access the Shanti virus. Gullible. Maya was played by Sylar... gee, I'd never have been able to tell if I were in her shoes. Gullible. Grrrr, I could go on...

And killing characters all over the place? Let's just kill off ALL the cast and start again! Why so many deaths in so short a span of time? But wait, there is a wonder drug that heals death, found in Claire's blood. Hoo-frakkin-rah!

Major players like the Company and the generations group are left with a cobbled and often confusing series of plots, many of them full of holes.

And the writers striked?? They should be FIRED! Kring needs to gather his scattered marbles and inject some of Claire's blood into the show before things just become repugnant.

Also note the next chapter is called "Villains"... the show is called "Heroes" and already the producers are changing course. I don't CARE about pathetic bad guys like Sylar and Adam, Bob and the Company, or the nasty mums and dads heroes club... they want a TRUE villain, one like the comic books, one that scares the crap out of us and isn't some good-looking, suave, pesky, arrogant fool!

All the bad things you guys said about this ep get my complete agreement. I'll be handing out greens like candy canes.

Heroes...Zeroes

[s09119]

...does anyone even remember that the original idea was to have a different set of heroes every year? It's only because fans demanded they see more of the old ones that the writers were forced to come up with stretched plot lines for them all...

[ShadowMaat]

...does anyone even remember that the original idea was to have a different set of heroes every year? It's only because fans demanded they see more of the old ones that the writers were forced to come up with stretched plot lines for them all...

If Maya and Alejandro are examples of the kinds of heroes we would have been subjected to, I'm quite happy to have the S1 gang back again.

[flameling]

...does anyone even remember that the original idea was to have a different set of heroes every year? It's only because fans demanded they see more of the old ones that the writers were forced to come up with stretched plot lines for them all...

That would stink. They give us a good cast in season 1, and they don't even link anyhing to season 2. And that would mean Maya and Alejandro AND Monica almost every season. And can't they give us a new villain. Sylar cut open your head-super scary. What does Bob do, turn you into gold and give you to your family? That's one lucky family. And the company-it' just the mafia. Give us a villain who is god at what he does and has some moral judgement and only does it to survive.

Can't say there weren't some good scenes though. Nathan and Matt had a flying scene. Matt vs. Peter was cool. Bob's password being "Midas". adam got what he deserved. And Hiro had some good scenes.

[MarshAngel]

...does anyone even remember that the original idea was to have a different set of heroes every year? It's only because fans demanded they see more of the old ones that the writers were forced to come up with stretched plot lines for them all...

I remember. And I remember doubting their ability to do that for this very reason. There is an expectation for scripted dramas that no matter how you try, for ratings and financial reasons you have a hard time getting around..that is, the fact that people get attached to characters. In order to defeat that expectation they'd probably need to retitle the series completely every season and avoid carry over plots altogether...not too practical.

It just wasn't likely to happen from the beginning and the attempt to compromise on this fact is probably why this season was so weak. They just did not kill off or otherwise render unusable enough characters last season and continued to add. They'd have been better off with a replacement method. Kill two add two. and make the deaths count.

Sylar should have stayed dead. D.L. should have died at the end of s1. no more story for either.

[Trek_Girl42]

If Maya and Alejandro are examples of the kinds of heroes we would have been subjected to, I'm quite happy to have the S1 gang back again.

Gotta agree. *sigh* I don't see any need to cast aside the old characters each season provided that they have a point to continue being there. If there's no room for a character in a story arc, I'd rather see them omitted for half a season or whatever length and then come back later when they have a purpose. This could easily have been done with Niki and Micah- they simply didn't belong in this volume. What the producers should have done was just not have them at all- and bring them back to a volume where they could actually become a meaningful part of the story. Honestly, this volume could have been cut in half, tightened up, and I think it would have been a really good as a six-eight episode arc. Get rid of Maya and Alejandro, get rid of the whole Ireland bit and the dumb boyfriend for Claire, reduce Hiro in Japan to no more than three episodes and there you go. Tighter story that's easier to follow that doesn't keep getting pulled away to the pointless bits. When you add up all the pointless material that was in there, it comes out to several episodes worth. What happened to Matt after the first few eps? After trapping his father he returned to being a footnote character, despite the fact that he had been the most interesting of the season up to that point.

Not to mention that by the end of the arc, the only new characters this season that felt like they had any point to them were Adam and Elle. Adam met his end and should stay that way- at least for a LONG time. Maybe a few seasons down the line have him return. Maybe- and again back to the point where characters have to have a point to being there. Elle.....after a disappointing first few episodes for her, I look forward to seeing more of her character. After that last episode she's got my interest.

[Dusk]

Sylar should have stayed dead.

Here here! You know I heard a rumour that Sylar was supposed to die at the end of this episode. With actor Zachary Quinto being away filming Star Trek, continuing the second half of the season with him wouldn't have worked.

Then along came the writer's strike. With the extra time, keeping Sylar alive was viable again. So that was one of the script changes before the writer's strike. I believe Suresh, Maya and Elle were to have a final battle with Sylar at Isaac's apartment.

What a shame they wrote this out, as I may have enjoyed the episode so much more.

[ShadowMaat]

They could have used the S1 characters as a way of introducing the S2 characters. They did a half-job of it as is, what with Micah introducing Monica, Claire introducing Stalkerboy West and Hiro introducing Kensei, but why stop it there? Matt could have found someone while working a case, Suresh could have dug up one of his father's files, Nikki could have met someone at the clinic, DL could have met someone at the fire station or on a call, Molly could meet someone at school, Nathan could meet someone at AA (heh), Peter could have found someone in Ireland- not that he'd have understood it, really, but at least it'd bring in some more foreign blood... hopefully with a real accent , instead of having the Wonder Twins find Sylar, have it be the other way around and Sylar happens upon them, using that as (please gods) a catalyst for his own growth as a character instead of remaining a one-dimensional villain waiting for his chance to strike. *yawn*

Would it have been too much of a coincidence for them all to have met another "hero?" Maybe, maybe not. It could be that like attracts like, or maybe that there are more specials out there than we might think, or it could be hinting at something larger; maybe there's a reason they're suddenly all meeting. Is there a higher power at work? Or maybe it's just another hero who can see the bigger picture and manipulate its contents to a certain degree.

There's so much potential here and so many different directions it could go. It's a shame to see it squandered on retreads and stunted characters.

[s09119]

I'd love to see Sylar humbled. He was to some extent in "HtSaEM", but he came back just as bad. Maybe have Elle really beat him bad in a fight, just to show that for all his powers, he's not indestructable (I think part of the reason he doesn't think that now is that he only lost to Peter, who was just as strong as he was).

That way, Elle could grow into more of a heroine (something I'd like), and maybe Sylar could try and find a new path. It'd be interesting to try and see him connect with some of the other heroes and help them, but be shunned because they can only see the monster he was. That way, when he inevitably goes bad again, he'd have a reason to be fighting them.

[nekoi]

Adding new characters is always difficult and at the rate they've been showing on this show, it's expected that the show would have been less as good had they offed all of the S1 cast.

The good thing about HEROES Origins being on hiatus is that we wont have like 30 more random characters showing up for one or two episodes, then randomly vanishing.

[Matt G]

1. I definately liked how the Peter and Hiro thing turned out. Took three to do it including his brother but he finallly got clued up!

2. Mohinder-Syler plotline, interesting but ouch that Syler's back in business.

3. Ouch that Nikki got toasted, suppose she was asking for it by losing her powers.

4. Like how Adam went out.

5. Not sure what's going on with HRG.

6. Bleep! Nathan!

[jacky]

I LOVE HEROES! i seriously waited the whole hour in my seat waiting for it to keep on going. I love Hiro hes so precious! Peters hot! I cant wait for season 3 to come out! Thanks Cucirca i love you so much and am soooooo grateful. Just wish it didnt take so long but its worth it major.

[garhkal]

Hot s**t! I liked what Hiro did to Adam.

It is a good work around for now.. But imo it would have been more impressive had he
A) tossed him into an active volcano.
B) buried him in cement
C) Tossed him into space.
or D) cemented his feet and dumped him in the ocean!

Why Nathan.

Agreed. Why nathan?!?!?

Its good to see Sylar with his powers back. And he can heal now too!

I don't think it means he will always be a quick healer.. Just that it restored his powers by removing the Shanti virus from his system.. As to his powers being back, i still think he needs some time before they come back full force.

And i wonder if syler will have the powers of the people he killed while not having his regular powers?

IMO nope.

Oh, and I take it folks caught the fact that Mama Petrelli murdered her own son? *takes deep breath* Yeah, whatever.

Well, we saw how she was in last season.. Willing to let MILLIONS die.. Nothing seems to have changed.

edit: oh yes, on the plus side, at least Elle isn't as much of a comical one-dimensional freak anymore.

True. BUT we saw what she was capable of with her electrical bursts earlier on.. So why was her power seeming to have been diminished??

2) The virus is gone just like that? I can let this one go; they had to film an alternate ending and perhaps this explains it. Either way, blegh.

There was an alternate ending where they failed on the DVD.. I actually liked it.

Speaking of which, is Caitlin really safe? The virus was vaporized, more or less, but could some of it have still survived? I think it's unlikely, but not entirely impossible.

With as 'bad' as the company is shown, it is safe to assume more than one vial of it exists.

This is probably a really stupid question but, why didn't Peter just teleport himself into the vault rather than going through all that trouble to open it?

Maybe they felt his control of his powers as flakey as they seem to be, might have had him teleport elsewhere..