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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by IcyNeko View Post
    uhhhhhh.. source? I don't think this was ever mentioned.
    I'm not sure on the source but I'll watch loads of SGA to try and find out.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    ok the asgard beliskner class ship had 4 neutrino ion generators, now just think how powerful our ships would be if they had even 1

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by kymeric View Post
    The asuaran have organic components, the mw replicators do not, why assume they need one of the same materials when they have at least 1 different?
    The Asurans are made out of nanites just like the MW ones. The only difference is that they use whatever element that the Lanteans had in Pegasus.

    The Asurans can replicate using organic materials but that doesn't make them have any organic components. They are both machines, probably the Pegasus ones are far more advanced!

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    "Nanite" is a very broad term. "Replicator" is an even broader term, completely misused. Asurans are akin to replicators only by the fact they are comprised of microscopic autonomous machines inbuilt with artificial intelligence and root programming.

    Neutronium was the basis for Asgard tech. Asgard tech being the most advanced in the galaxy (that was readily available) and was a natural next step for the spider replicators inbuilt with a drive to replicate and for self preservation. Asurans were built in microscopic form and grouped together much like living cells to best perform a function (eradicate the Wraith). The AI the Alterans gave them led the "nanites" to take the form of their creators.

    The Alterans do not replicate to increase their numbers. They do not seek out more advanced tech to further their race. They use natural materials for their buildings/ships. They incorporate biological materials into themselves and can blend with biology.

    The only reason to suspect a power source like Neutronium is in Pegasus is because of the laws of probability and nature, and that of the hazy history of the Alliance of the Four Races.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    "neutrino ion generator" sounds a whole lot like something that would take neutronium, and take away a few elections (thus producing ions, and those elections probably become associated with some other ion) and, in the process, releases heat?

    it sounds a bit more realistic than a ZPM, so I like it.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by cobraR478 View Post
    "neutrino ion generator" sounds a whole lot like something that would take neutronium, and take away a few elections (thus producing ions, and those elections probably become associated with some other ion) and, in the process, releases heat?

    it sounds a bit more realistic than a ZPM, so I like it.
    ZPMs are so cool because they are so small (as long as you disregard the unrealism). The ability to hold that much power in your hand is much cooler than a big power core.

    Slightly off topic, would the Asgard power core installed on the Odyssey require neutronium as a fuel then? Because as far as I remember it was never mentioned in Unending (correct me if I am wrong), and it wouldn't be much good if it ran out of neutronium. Kind of like a car limited to one tank of fuel.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Matarrese View Post
    i don't remember hearing they're organic in nature, but all that means is that it's Carbon based...I don't have cable either, so I may have missed something...
    Said it in te real world, they had trouble wiping out the nanites with an emp cuz they had organic parts, that was how wier beat them, with her pushing her immune system. It really was the center of the plot for an entire episode. Lol?

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Thinking about ion neutrino generators, I wonder if it has anything to do with fusion.

    Nuclear reactions such as those in the sun do generate neutrinos, and typical, what we find in the sun is ionized gas, plasma.

    It could also be relative to antimatter. Maybe they have naqahdah/anti-naqahdah, or neutronium/anti-neutronium reactors?
    Then the "ion" part could refer to, possibly, the super hot plasma waste contained inside the reactors?

    The question would be where they stock the matter for such reactors?

    If the stargates or Wraith culling system are of any indication, we know that large amounts of matter can be compressed and stored within confined small spaces.

    It wouldn't make the generators more powerful than ZPMs - seriously, ZPMs are just completely insane power devices. But that would allow the Asgard reactors to generate high levels of power for long periods of time.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    anubis updred hatak seemed to of destroyed thors beliskner in that epiodes where his ship was destroyed(sorry forgot the episode)

    zpms can last a heck longer and have mass energy which i think is far greater than the asgard ones
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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by LostCityGuardian View Post
    ZPMs are so cool because they are so small (as long as you disregard the unrealism). The ability to hold that much power in your hand is much cooler than a big power core.

    Slightly off topic, would the Asgard power core installed on the Odyssey require neutronium as a fuel then? Because as far as I remember it was never mentioned in Unending (correct me if I am wrong), and it wouldn't be much good if it ran out of neutronium. Kind of like a car limited to one tank of fuel.
    They needed to use the ori's blast for power because the ship's ZPM & the asgard power core did not have enough power remaing to reverse time, so neither last forever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacardi View Post
    "Nanite" is a very broad term. "Replicator" is an even broader term, completely misused. Asurans are akin to replicators only by the fact they are comprised of microscopic autonomous machines inbuilt with artificial intelligence and root programming.

    Neutronium was the basis for Asgard tech. Asgard tech being the most advanced in the galaxy (that was readily available) and was a natural next step for the spider replicators inbuilt with a drive to replicate and for self preservation. Asurans were built in microscopic form and grouped together much like living cells to best perform a function (eradicate the Wraith). The AI the Alterans gave them led the "nanites" to take the form of their creators.

    The Alterans do not replicate to increase their numbers. They do not seek out more advanced tech to further their race. They use natural materials for their buildings/ships. They incorporate biological materials into themselves and can blend with biology.

    The only reason to suspect a power source like Neutronium is in Pegasus is because of the laws of probability and nature, and that of the hazy history of the Alliance of the Four Races.
    Asurans are the exact same as Replicators.

    'Progeny':

    RONON: How many people live here?

    NIAM: Millions.


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    WEIR: No. A few of the nanites managed to survive.

    McKAY: Which is all they needed to begin replicating again.

    TEYLA: Replicating?

    McKAY: This is bad. They’re very similar to an artificial intelligence that SG-1 encountered several years ago that evolved from a tiny block-Replicator into human form. They may even be related somehow.


    'The Real World':

    McKAY: They've been using organic material to replicate, which has rendered them immune to the EM pulse.

    DEX: So now what?

    BECKETT: They've started replicating again.


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    McKAY: So they're attempting assimilate her? To transforming her to one of them?

    BECKETT: Until they can reach sufficient numbers to form a viable independent entity. I'd say so, yes.

    TEYLA: This is how they replicate?


    'First Strike':

    SHEPPARD: That's not enough.

    McKAY: The Replicators are self-replicating robots, which means that they can...


    Asurans & Replicators are akin to one another in that they are both self-replicating machines made up of million/billions of nanite cells. They can link with one another, put hands in heads etc, etc.

    The only difference is that the MW/IDA versions began in much simpler form. They took the slow route to evolution. They infested Asgard technology & started learning from it. The more knowledge they assimilated, the smarter they got & the more evolved they became. Then they got to a point where they could come together in human form. Even then they were still limited in the knowledge that they had.

    The Asurans on the other hand, were born pretty much straight away. To boot, they had the full Lantean knowledge from the start & all their technology & materials that go with it. Therefore what exactly is there to evolve beyond when you have all that & are far more advanced than any other species. The MW ones had to always evolve because the Asgard & humans were upgrading their technology & tactics all the time. Not to mention they didn't know everything. Even Thor has said the Asgard barely scratched the surface of the Ancient database. So if the Asurans already knew all that the Lanteans had, then there would be no need to conquer other species. Simply because they were probably nowhere near the same technological level. Their base level is the exact same as the Replicators & that's to replicate. Asuras was wiped out apart from a few nanites. They began replicating again & now there are millions of Asurans.

    It was O'Neill with Ancient knowledge that built the Replicator disruptor weapons that the Asgard began using to kill them. It was through this exact same technology that Area 51 came up with the anti-Replicator guns that we now see in Atlantis.

    The Asurans are probably a far more advanced form of the MW/IDA Replicators, but a replicator they still be nontheless!

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by LostCityGuardian View Post
    ZPMs are so cool because they are so small (as long as you disregard the unrealism). The ability to hold that much power in your hand is much cooler than a big power core.
    you are disregarding what the ZPM is. a ZPM is not the container for the power, but rather the mechanisim to TAP into the power which is held somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murzin View Post
    you are disregarding what the ZPM is. a ZPM is not the container for the power, but rather the mechanisim to TAP into the power which is held somewhere else.
    The power is held in an artificial subspace pocket that the ZPM itself holds.

    It's more like a generator that works from a limited supply of ressources, and after that, is depleted.

    So it's a bit both, a battery and a generator.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    I'm bumping this one.

    I'm thinking that the neutrino part of the term either refers to a way to transmit energy to systems, somehow, by using neutrinos (which means the capacity to capture and power or deplete neutrinos in no time and over short distances, but shields and spacetime membranes could help), or to radiate extra heat as neutrino (not really useful), or as suggested some time ago (a few posts above), and not that different from option one, each generator recreates a small star, which itself comes with all the effects associated to normal stars, including the release of neutrinos.
    Therefore, the ion part could refer to the fusion nature of the artificial star inside the reactor, while the neutrino part could refer to the capacity of the reactors to capture the energies of the expelled neutrinos, along the regular radiations of same star. IIRC, stars loose an important amount of energy through neutrinos, I think it's even greater than the other outputs.
    Let's also consider that the Asgards have the capacity to increase the mass of stars. They could possibly increase and maintain the density of artificial stars, while maybe creating artificial neutron stars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkyun View Post
    Since we now have the entire Asgard knowledge base, if we can work out the technical details and the infrastructure needed, would it be more viable for us to manufacture neutrino ion generators (which were used to power Asgard ships etc) in order to ensure a constant (and compatible) supply of power source for our ships and even Atlantis, than wasting our time and energy finding ZPMs that are scattered throughout the galaxies?
    of course it would be more viable b/c zpms are just so rare that to put them on a ship that could be destroyed at any given time is just reckless.

    however on the other hand a nig could be about the same as a naquada generator and then our only choice will be to use a zpm.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    IMO a Neutrino Ion Generator utilizes ion-neutrino interaction. its said that naquahdah can interact with neutrino's. or it uses neutronium as a neutrino catcher. though its more asgardish to have a mini-star

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    Quote Originally Posted by thekillman View Post
    IMO a Neutrino Ion Generator utilizes ion-neutrino interaction. its said that naquahdah can interact with neutrino's. or it uses neutronium as a neutrino catcher. though its more asgardish to have a mini-star
    Well, naqahdah will logically have a better interaction with neutrinos due to its higher density, but it's not going to be sufficient. Where is it said that naqahdah reacts with neutrino in some kind of meaningful way?

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    dunno. neutronium is even denser so..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kymeric View Post
    Said it in te real world, they had trouble wiping out the nanites with an emp cuz they had organic parts, that was how wier beat them, with her pushing her immune system. It really was the center of the plot for an entire episode. Lol?
    Even if they use "organic parts," they still have to reassemble them into Replicator cells. So instead being composed of the usual neutronium, they would consist of carbon, oxygen, and other elements that are found in the human body. Like the spider Replicators on the Russian sub, they would be structurally the same, just different in composition.

    In "Progeny," Niam says that as the first Asuran nanites evolved rapidly in the Lantean laborotories, bonding into more and more complex systems that mimicked organic systems, but they were never actually organic.

    I think this is one of those instances where we have to just take the "they're using organic parts so our old solution won't work" argument as a dramatic device and move on.

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    Default Re: Neutrino Ion Generators - better than ZPMs?

    Quote Originally Posted by Extrenix View Post
    Finding neutronium would be wasting time since it is so rare and scattered throughout the galaxies.
    Stargate Atlantis Outcast quote

    LEE: So – "pre-assembled masonry panels" – that was a code word we used a few months back to identify shipments of neutronium.


    Eart most defenitly has access to neutronium.

    By the way it is key to asgard technology, so building a new 304 can't do without. By the way who said it was fuel by neutronion. (Neutrino is an elementary particle and ion is an atom or molecule which has lost or gained one or more valence electrons, giving it a positive or negative electrical charge.

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