Replicators versus Ori

[kirmit]

I think people give the Asurans way too much credit. They're on the same level as the Ancients were at their peak yes but like it's been said a thousand times the Ori use Ascended knowledge, we know they're free to disperse as much as they want in their home galaxy, which is where their ships and other technology is built. This loophole in the ascended rulebook means their followers can then take the ships (with ascended knowledge) to wherever they please i.e. the Milkyway or pegasus and the ancients couldn't do anything. To me Ascended technology far outweighs Ancient technology.

The Other thing to consider is that the Ori technology we're seeing was designed to be used in our galaxy, the priors scouted the whole galaxy for a year seeing what kind of technologies we possessed and that's why they made such short work of all our ships. The Asgards were our safeguard as they aren't in our galaxy hence the priors not seeing what kinds of technologies they possessed. Now if the Ori were aware of the kinds of technologies the asgard possessed 'Unending' would not have gone as it did imo.

The same thing applies to the Asurans, they may have the advantage at first however or maybe not but I'm pretty sure once the priors see what they're made of (no pun intended) they'll create ships and weapons designed for fighting them using ascended knowledge in their home galaxy then ship them off to pegasus.

Thinking about it like this means even the Milkyway (who imo are the greatest threat to the Ori) would eventually be overcome or be drawn to a stalemate. They adapt to the Ori weapons, the Ori create new weapons, they adapt to Ori weapons, the Ori create new weapons and so on and so on.

[Wraith_Boy]

I think people give the Asurans way too much credit. They're on the same level as the Ancients were at their peak yes but like it's been said a thousand times the Ori use Ascended knowledge, we know they're free to disperse as much as they want in their home galaxy, which is where their ships and other technology is built. This loophole in the ascended rulebook means their followers can then take the ships (with ascended knowledge) to wherever they please i.e. the Milkyway or pegasus and the ancients couldn't do anything. To me Ascended technology far outweighs Ancient technology.

The Other thing to consider is that the Ori technology we're seeing was designed to be used in our galaxy, the priors scouted the whole galaxy for a year seeing what kind of technologies we possessed and that's why they made such short work of all our ships. The Asgards were our safeguard as they aren't in our galaxy hence the priors not seeing what kinds of technologies they possessed. Now if the Ori were aware of the kinds of technologies the asgard possessed 'Unending' would not have gone as it did imo.

The same thing applies to the Asurans, they may have the advantage at first however or maybe not but I'm pretty sure once the priors see what they're made of (no pun intended) they'll create ships and weapons designed for fighting them using ascended knowledge in their home galaxy then ship them off to pegasus.

Thinking about it like this means even the Milkyway (who imo are the greatest threat to the Ori) would eventually be overcome or be drawn to a stalemate. They adapt to the Ori weapons, the Ori create new weapons, they adapt to Ori weapons, the Ori create new weapons and so on and so on.

Tbh, I think you are giving the Ori too much credit. Yes they could gain advanced knowledge via being ascended. However it doesn't make them all knowing. They built ships that had powerful shields & a powerful energy weapon. However what else have we seen them use, they need to use rings to get their people or ships to the ground. We know their shields are unstable when they fire their primary weapons. Nukes can be ringed aboard their ships. We know Drones can take care of their ships. We know ZPM's can boost shields to a far greater extent.

The Priors & even Adria can be taken care of by a simple human-made device. The Prior in 'A Line in the Sand' couldn't even detect them when they were out of phase. The Ori ships couldn't do anything when Carter took the planet out of phase in 'The Road Not Taken'. Then look what happens when weapons were designed that were capable of getting past/through their shields. A few hits & their ships are goners.

I'd say the Lanteans/Alterans who spent over 50 million years studying science & advanced technologies would be much more advanced than a race that studied religion, then have only been ascended for a short amount of time. Especially since the Ancients in this galaxy & presumably Pegasus as well were able to block the existence of the galaxy (possibly others as well) from them. So they didn't have direct access to galaxies which had advanced pieces of technology in them.

The Asurans have all this knowledge starting from the Asurans who were in the MW over 50 million years ago, then they split into the Lanteans & went to Pegasus somewhere between 5 & 10 million years ago. As well as having the past 10,000 years to improve on the technologies that they have at their disposal.

In a direct one one fight, the Asuran warships would win as lng as it has ZPM's powering it's shields. It's energy weapons might not penetrate the shield to begin with, but the Drones would be more than a match for it. Then the fact that they can build 20/30+ ships in the space of a couple of months. Then the biggest factor which is Replicators can go inside the ships then start replicating using the materials which the ship is made from. If their energy staffs didn't work on the spiders, the warriors would all be killed or be forced to abandon the ship. Once they had their hands on it the sky's the limit.

They took Asgard technology & upgraded it beyond their understanding. From 'Small Victories':

"THOR:The replicators are capable of modifying our own weapon technology beyond our understanding."

Imagine what Asurans bundled with Lantean/Alteran knowledge could do to the Ori once they got their hands on their ships. Millions of human form Replicators each as msart or smarter than the Lanteans. Each one comprised of goodness knows how many nanites which in turn are advanced microscopic machines. They can share knowledge with each other instantly across the galaxy, they are far stronger than humans, can pass through solids, are invulnerable to almost all weapons. Not to mention they can shove their hands inside Priors & get every single bit of info that they want directly from the brain. As well as the fact they can infect others with nanites themselves simply by touching.

McKay said that nothing they had in Atlantis & Apollo would be able to do anything to one of their small satellite wepaons including Drones. Yet Drones can affect Ori ships.

In truth it really wouldn't be a contest in any way, either directly or indirectly. In a straight on fight, they can use Drones to take care of the Ori ships. Then launch nanite projectiles into the Ori ship, which begin replicating & taking over the ship from the inside. They could probably even ring themselves over & kill everyone in person.

Nanites are just too effective at overcoming & adapting technologies once they get their hands on them. Never mind millions of human form Asurans which already have all the Lantean knowledge at their disposal. God help them if they can only muster up 4 ships in a year when the Asurans can whip out 20/30+ ships in the space of a few months. It wouldn't even be a fight, it would be more a slaughter!

[cammy989]

ori!! the ancients knowledge that o-neil had made a weapen that could destroy them and the ori are basically the same as the acients but they r evil

[kirmit]

Tbh, I think you are giving the Ori too much credit. Yes they could gain advanced knowledge via being ascended. However it doesn't make them all knowing. They built ships that had powerful shields & a powerful energy weapon. However what else have we seen them use, they need to use rings to get their people or ships to the ground. We know their shields are unstable when they fire their primary weapons. Nukes can be ringed aboard their ships. We know Drones can take care of their ships. We know ZPM's can boost shields to a far greater extent.

The Priors & even Adria can be taken care of by a simple human-made device. The Prior in 'A Line in the Sand' couldn't even detect them when they were out of phase. The Ori ships couldn't do anything when Carter took the planet out of phase in 'The Road Not Taken'. Then look what happens when weapons were designed that were capable of getting past/through their shields. A few hits & their ships are goners.

I'd say the Lanteans/Alterans who spent over 50 million years studying science & advanced technologies would be much more advanced than a race that studied religion, then have only been ascended for a short amount of time. Especially since the Ancients in this galaxy & presumably Pegasus as well were able to block the existence of the galaxy (possibly others as well) from them. So they didn't have direct access to galaxies which had advanced pieces of technology in them.

The Asurans have all this knowledge starting from the Asurans who were in the MW over 50 million years ago, then they split into the Lanteans & went to Pegasus somewhere between 5 & 10 million years ago. As well as having the past 10,000 years to improve on the technologies that they have at their disposal.

In a direct one one fight, the Asuran warships would win as lng as it has ZPM's powering it's shields. It's energy weapons might not penetrate the shield to begin with, but the Drones would be more than a match for it. Then the fact that they can build 20/30+ ships in the space of a couple of months. Then the biggest factor which is Replicators can go inside the ships then start replicating using the materials which the ship is made from. If their energy staffs didn't work on the spiders, the warriors would all be killed or be forced to abandon the ship. Once they had their hands on it the sky's the limit.

They took Asgard technology & upgraded it beyond their understanding. From 'Small Victories':

"THOR:The replicators are capable of modifying our own weapon technology beyond our understanding."

Imagine what Asurans bundled with Lantean/Alteran knowledge could do to the Ori once they got their hands on their ships. Millions of human form Replicators each as msart or smarter than the Lanteans. Each one comprised of goodness knows how many nanites which in turn are advanced microscopic machines. They can share knowledge with each other instantly across the galaxy, they are far stronger than humans, can pass through solids, are invulnerable to almost all weapons. Not to mention they can shove their hands inside Priors & get every single bit of info that they want directly from the brain. As well as the fact they can infect others with nanites themselves simply by touching.

McKay said that nothing they had in Atlantis & Apollo would be able to do anything to one of their small satellite wepaons including Drones. Yet Drones can affect Ori ships.

In truth it really wouldn't be a contest in any way, either directly or indirectly. In a straight on fight, they can use Drones to take care of the Ori ships. Then launch nanite projectiles into the Ori ship, which begin replicating & taking over the ship from the inside. They could probably even ring themselves over & kill everyone in person.

Nanites are just too effective at overcoming & adapting technologies once they get their hands on them. Never mind millions of human form Asurans which already have all the Lantean knowledge at their disposal. God help them if they can only muster up 4 ships in a year when the Asurans can whip out 20/30+ ships in the space of a few months. It wouldn't even be a fight, it would be more a slaughter!

Like I said previously the Ori had what they thought they needed to use against our galaxy, why bother with giving their followers access to beaming technology when rings work just as good? The Ori's only flaw is their reluctancy to share all they know, had they shared all the knowledge then had no other race would stand a chance against their followers but they would be too powerful and most likely rebel against their gods. It's the same with the goa'uld, they didn't share everything with the jaffa because they didn't want them to have too much power.

I don't see your argument with drones, yes we know they are efffective but 'a few hits and their ships are goners'? I don't think so. We know nothing about drones effectiveness against Ori shields, only that they were able to fend off an attack, it's never said they actually destroyed any ships with them in 'The Road not Taken'. We don't know how long it took before the Ori ship was fended off nor how many drones it took. We neither know the Ori beams effectiveness against Asuran shields, they could blow the ship to bits long before the Asuran drones manage to do any damage.

The Asurans might be able to build 20+ ships in a matter of months but they're only on one planet. The Ori had hundreds maybe even thousands of ships being built in their home galaxy, all they need is a supergate in pegasus and imo it would be a swift victory.

You're confusing Milkyway Replicators with the Asurans, they are two very different races when it comes down to strategy. So far as we've seen the Asurans do not assimilate technology, they only imitate ancient technology unlike the Milkyway versions. Nor have we seen them fire projectiles or overcome a ship with nanites, the milkway versions yes but like I've said they are very different, the Asurans desire to imiate the Ancients is their biggest weakness and holding them back.

The Asurans might be able to walk through walls, manhandle someone like Ronon but really would good would either of them do against a prior who could split all their nanites (same way a replicator gun works) with just a thought? Had the Asurans worked out a way to supress their powers like we did then yes theyd gain the advantage but if their followers were given replicator guns by their creators (which wouldn't be out of the question) they wouldn't be able to get within 2 feet of them let alone manhandle them. In truth it's all a game of what if's at the minute as we don't know enough about either side.

I highly doubt what we've seen thus far is the true extent of the Ori's power, had they realised Earth were a worthy Adversary from the start or manage to see Asgard technology I think it would be a totally different story. If we want to see how it would go down with the Ori current ships (not ones designed to fight Asurans) well then we'll have to wait for season 4 of Atlantis and seen if they use any Asgard enhanced earth ships go against any Asuran ships.

BTW we don't know when the Ori ascended, you said only a little while ago, though for all we know it was thousands of years ago. I know being ascended doesn't make you all knowing however if does give you access to the knowledge of the universe. Who is to say there aren't more advanced races than the ancients or Asurans out there? The universe is a mighty big place, the Ori have access to all that except for the Milkyway and pegasus. Also you can't argue that because they were more religious than the ancients their technology would be inferior. If that's the case then why did the ancients flee from their home Galaxy? Religion can actually help your technilogical advancements, especially one like the Ori's. They wanted to force their views on the ancients, so i doubt they just preached to them so much until they left, rather they'd advance to a point beyond the ancients so they could back up their threats of join our religion or die. Just to add, religion doesn't mean you can't stop advancing, you can worship a god or gods and still advance technilogically.

[unska]

I don't think the ascended beings are that all-knowing. For example Merlin found out a way how to keep his work hidden from them and one with the knowledge of the universe should have figured it out.

[kirmit]

I don't think the ascended beings are that all-knowing. For example Merlin found out a way how to keep his work hidden from them and one with the knowledge of the universe should have figured it out.

Merlin did that by shifting into a parallel dimension which we know hides him from the ascended beings. We also know they were keeping tabs on him through Morgan le Faye so they must've had some knowledge of the shifting for her to be able to destroy the first sangraal.

[Ripple in Space]

Even if the Ori shared all of their knowledge with their followers the MW Replicators or Asurans for that matter would still crush them.

The Ori aren't all knowing, this has been stated on-screen. They don't even know which of their followers (in their own galaxy) are plotting against Origin. They still use ring platforms where the Lanteans went for the more advanced "Booth Transporters."

And none of their tech seems nearly as advanced as Lantean tech.

[kirmit]

Even if the Ori shared all of their knowledge with their followers the MW Replicators or Asurans for that matter would still crush them.

The Ori aren't all knowing, this has been stated on-screen. They don't even know which of their followers (in their own galaxy) are plotting against Origin. They still use ring platforms where the Lanteans went for the more advanced "Booth Transporters."

And none of their tech seems nearly as advanced as Lantean tech.

Erm yes they did know who was plotting against them, the prior found Fannis in 'Origin' and they knew about the ploy to destroy the ships in 'Crusade'.

How are booth transporters any more advanced than rings? If anything the rings are better, the booths only transport around Atlantis whereas rings can transport all around a planet and even into orbit.

We know the Ori aren't all knowing, no one has said they are, only that they have access to the knowledge of the universe which therefore gives than a huge advantage. All Ori technology seen has been atleast on par with Lantean technology, just because the Ori technology doesn't look all shiny and smooth doesn't mean it's just as advanced.

[IcyNeko]

The ORI are teh ascended alterrans, and as ascended beings, they control far more power than replicators. Their human armies, on the other hand, would be crushed. The Ori could smite anyone/anything it wanted.

Look at Oma. She is ascended. She can obliterate entire Jaffa platoons at will.

[Ripple in Space]

Erm yes they did know who was plotting against them, the prior found Fannis in 'Origin' and they knew about the ploy to destroy the ships in 'Crusade'.

How are booth transporters any more advanced than rings? If anything the rings are better, the booths only transport around Atlantis whereas rings can transport all around a planet and even into orbit.

We know the Ori aren't all knowing, no one has said they are, only that they have access to the knowledge of the universe which therefore gives than a huge advantage. All Ori technology seen has been atleast on par with Lantean technology, just because the Ori technology doesn't look all shiny and smooth doesn't mean it's just as advanced.

Actually Ori tech is shinier looking . Who says booths can't transport around a planet (if properly equipped). What makes them better? They're not dangerous, with rings you can lose your head with improper use. They're more convenient, rather than pushing a complicated series of buttons and then making a mad dash for the platform, you stand in the booth and touch the area on the map where you want to go.

The PRIORS can read minds, as can the Ori, but the Ori don't know what everyone's doing/thinking at a given time. It's like the US Government. If Bushy wanted to know every action that someone was taking he could establish fiber-optic cameras and wire taps, but he doesn't know what every given American is doing at any given time.

Lantean tech is superior in every way. Remember the Alterans who went on to be Lanteans were the scientists, the ones who became the Ori were the lunatics who thoughts they were Gods. If the world separated into two communities, A. being Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson and John Travolta (along with their respective "wives" & families). The other, B. being everyone else, flash forward 200 years, which society will be more advanced?

Lantean shields are better than Ori shields. I'd be surprised if Asgard beam cannons were any stronger than Asuran Beam Cannons, and while a handful of hits knocked out Ori shields, it would've taken HOURS-DAYS for a constant Asuran Beam from a Beam Cannon to drain the power of Atlantis' maybe 30% powered shields. Even then the Beam wasn't actually compromising shield integrity, it was just using up a lot of power to keep the shield on.

Lantean weapons are better than Ori weapons. We know for a fact that the Lanteans had uber-powerful beam cannon tech, which required FAR LESS energy to operate than drones, yet the primary weapons on Lantean cities, planetary defense stations, Warships, and Science Vessels were drones. Drones clearly being the superior weapon. They require more complicated production, firing skill, and far more energy to utilize, so if beam cannons were anywhere near as good, they'd surely be more heavily used.

[kirmit]

Actually Ori tech is shinier looking . Who says booths can't transport around a planet (if properly equipped). What makes them better? They're not dangerous, with rings you can lose your head with improper use. They're more convenient, rather than pushing a complicated series of buttons and then making a mad dash for the platform, you stand in the booth and touch the area on the map where you want to go.

The PRIORS can read minds, as can the Ori, but the Ori don't know what everyone's doing/thinking at a given time. It's like the US Government. If Bushy wanted to know every action that someone was taking he could establish fiber-optic cameras and wire taps, but he doesn't know what every given American is doing at any given time.

Lantean tech is superior in every way. Remember the Alterans who went on to be Lanteans were the scientists, the ones who became the Ori were the lunatics who thoughts they were Gods. If the world separated into two communities, A. being Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson and John Travolta (along with their respective "wives" & families). The other, B. being everyone else, flash forward 200 years, which society will be more advanced?

Lantean shields are better than Ori shields. I'd be surprised if Asgard beam cannons were any stronger than Asuran Beam Cannons, and while a handful of hits knocked out Ori shields, it would've taken HOURS-DAYS for a constant Asuran Beam from a Beam Cannon to drain the power of Atlantis' maybe 30% powered shields. Even then the Beam wasn't actually compromising shield integrity, it was just using up a lot of power to keep the shield on.

Lantean weapons are better than Ori weapons. We know for a fact that the Lanteans had uber-powerful beam cannon tech, which required FAR LESS energy to operate than drones, yet the primary weapons on Lantean cities, planetary defense stations, Warships, and Science Vessels were drones. Drones clearly being the superior weapon. They require more complicated production, firing skill, and far more energy to utilize, so if beam cannons were anywhere near as good, they'd surely be more heavily used.

Ok booths safer yes but that's the only advantage over rings, in no other way are they superior.

The Ori govern an entire galaxy, even being ascended I doubt they could see into billions of minds and know exactly what everyone was thinking. However if the Ori from their perch up their in the sky suspect someone of treason then they could just look in their mind and confirm it. The same applies to technologies, they see an advanced race somewhere in the universe they can just look into their minds and seen how their technology is built and give that information to their priors who instruct their followers how to build it. That's how I see it working anyway, someone said once that being ascended is likely like using google, you search for what you want to know and the answers are brought to you.

Lantean tech may have been more advanced PRE ascension but the Ori are using ascended knowledge, this had been said several times. The ori could potentially have all the knowledge the ancients had and much much more. As for shields we don't know if the shields were better than those on Ori ships, we've never seen an ancient ship in battle have we? We know Atlantis' shield is but clearly than is not the same type used on their ships, otherwise they would not have lost an entire galaxy to the wraith. Also to note Atlantis uses several shield generators to produce their shield, Ori ships only use one as far as we've seen.

I agree Lanteans do have the edge with drones, you'd think the Ori had them aswell but with their beam doing the job in one or two hits why bother? That is the only piece of weaponary that surpasses the Ori. The gun seen in 'Trinity' (which was built at their peak) seems no more advanced than the kinds seem used by the ori ships in 'Camelot' they were Atleast on par. As for the ancients beam weapons, again on par with Ori, in no way superior, the ancient beam took out a hive with one shot, the Ori beam takes out Ha'taks WITH SHIELDS in one shot.

Good discussion btw .

[Ripple in Space]

they could just look in their mind and confirm it. The same applies to technologies, they see an advanced race somewhere in the universe they can just look into their minds and seen how their technology is built and give that information to their priors who instruct their followers how to build it. That's how I see it working anyway

Good point, and I don't know how to answer it. The thing is though, the Ori army appears somewhat less advanced than the Asgard when they peaked. This is odd, because based on assumptions made in the show, Ida was never shielded from the Ori in the first place. Perhaps the Asgard developed countermeasures to direct Ascended interference in their places of operation. They could've done so with the help of the pre-ascended Ancients, or Ancient database tech.

Also, Daniel still possesses as much Ancient knowledge as a human can safely contain. So why wouldn't the Ori have read his mind to know the entirety of the Ancient strength and their tech? Perhaps having been ascended himself, he, Oma, or the Ancient ruling body shielded this knowledge from ascended probing....

Good discussion btw .

Agreed.

[kirmit]

Good point, and I don't know how to answer it. The thing is though, the Ori army appears somewhat less advanced than the Asgard when they peaked. This is odd, because based on assumptions made in the show, Ida was never shielded from the Ori in the first place. Perhaps the Asgard developed countermeasures to direct Ascended interference in their places of operation. They could've done so with the help of the pre-ascended Ancients, or Ancient database tech.

Also, Daniel still possesses as much Ancient knowledge as a human can safely contain. So why wouldn't the Ori have read his mind to know the entirety of the Ancient strength and their tech? Perhaps having been ascended himself, he, Oma, or the Ancient ruling body shielded this knowledge from ascended probing....

The only advantage the Asgard had was the beam on the Oddy, the shields (which were asgard) were still failing really fast from the Ori fire, in the end Oddy's agility is what won it the day. The Asgard also spent a whole year creating that weapon to cause the Ori shields to fluctuate. I can't anwer why the Ori haven't researched Asgard technology before now, maybe there are alot more interesting races in the universe.

Does Daniel still have ascended knowledge? He did the first time he descended because Oma left him with it. However, the second time he came back it wasn't Oma who sent him back, she was waged in a neverending war with Anubis. The others sent him back the second time and I really doubt they would have left him with anything. That's why the Ori likely found nothing when probing his mind whilst in their galaxy (they found out about Earth and the entire Milkyway from probing his mind so if it was there I really think they would've found it), why they haven't done it since is obviously because he's remained in the Milkway where the Ori can't tread so to speak.

[Buba uognarf]

I agree Lanteans do have the edge with drones, you'd think the Ori had them aswell but with their beam doing the job in one or two hits why bother? That is the only piece of weaponary that surpasses the Ori. The gun seen in 'Trinity' (which was built at their peak) seems no more advanced than the kinds seem used by the ori ships in 'Camelot' they were Atleast on par. As for the ancients beam weapons, again on par with Ori, in no way superior, the ancient beam took out a hive with one shot, the Ori beam takes out Ha'taks WITH SHIELDS in one shot.

Good discussion btw .

Actually taking out a Hive ship which is far larger and harder to destroy is more impressive then taking out a Ha'tak. Ori beam weapons can't even destroy the dakara monument in 1 hit...Lantean beam weapons are much more powerful.

You give the Ori too much credit, at the end of the day Asgard beam weapons were able to penetrate their shields either through brute force or technobable. Being ascended gives you better understanding and easier access to knowledge but it clearly hasn't even enabled them to match even Asgard weaponary let alone Lantean.

The Ori should be more advanced then the Lanteans but all evidence as seen in the show says they're not.

[kirmit]

Actually taking out a Hive ship which is far larger and harder to destroy is more impressive then taking out a Ha'tak. Ori beam weapons can't even destroy the dakara monument in 1 hit...Lantean beam weapons are much more powerful.

You give the Ori too much credit, at the end of the day Asgard beam weapons were able to penetrate their shields either through brute force or technobable. Being ascended gives you better understanding and easier access to knowledge but it clearly hasn't even enabled them to match even Asgard weaponary let alone Lantean.

The Ori should be more advanced then the Lanteans but all evidence as seen in the show says they're not.

The hive was far larger yeah, did it have shields no. I know you'll bring up its heavy armour but nothing yet suggests the hive armour is tougher than a shield. I see blasting through a shielded ship more impressive than blasting through a just heavily armoured ship.

It's been said time and time again that was not just a simple moutain, it was a giant piece of ancient technology covered in rock. I know it still took several shot before the mountain exploded but do we know how deep into the ground the weapon went. The first few shots the ori took were aimed near the base of the mountain, perhaps tunnel underground to hit the dakaara weapon at it base (just an assumption I know). Just notice as soon as the beam hits the top of the mountain the entire thing goes boom. I also recall they said in the episode that they said a cargo ship was dispatched to where dakaara was and nothing was left, so a single Ori ship destroyed an entire planet?

The asgard had time to study the way Ori shielding works (a whole year), they found a way to fluctuate the shields long enough to get a shot in there. The Ori were focussed on the Milkyway, they weren't even bothered by the asgard, shouldn't they be bothered by a race that could equal them? They didn't see them as a threat, they were arrogant I know but the Ori's technology must've been far more advanced than asgard for them to not even be bothered by them.

I again haven't seen any Lantian technology that surpasses Ori technology (the small amount we have seen), on par yes but none that surpasses it.....except drones .