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My favourite? I like John Sheppard, but also Ronan & McKay, as Ronan is still a mystery, and McKay because he is smart, I like smart, which leads me back to John, as he has an air of mystery and we know he is smart.
Least favourite? Lucius, definately, as I think those two episodes were the worst of season three, also I am not sure of Carter, I was not a big fan of hers in SG1, so I guess I am not going to be a fan of her in SGA.
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I like Rodney most. He is very good character. Authors can´t write characters too much. Rodney is, but partly thanks David Hewlett´s acting.
My least favorite would be Teyla. I never got into her character. And even not in S1 when they didn´t "kill" her character like in S2 and 3. I think they wanted her to be a diplomat, warrior, leader...now she is just a shadow. I know, it´s not Rachel´s fault, they can´t write it for her...but, I didn´t like the "we need some sexy-alien Amazon in lead team" from the beginning.
Then it would be Lucius, from guests. Well, he would be my first choice but I think that I can´t say he is full character since he was only in 2 episodes. And thanks god for that. If I should see this guy again, I would probably throw my computer out of the window
Just quick observation. In both favorite/least favorite have Teyla and Weir enough points. I guess those two are love/hate characters more than McKay for example. Rodney has (so far) four points as least favorite and something over thirty as favorite. Which is good. I didn´t like the "too much McKay" opinions bc I am his fan.
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Originally posted by Heaven View Posthmm. actually that's not entirely true, Kavanaugh did have a valid point but the reason Weir criticised him was because he was wasting time and impeding the team from searching solutions, he was clearly more interested in his ego than saving those people.
instead of trying to help like Zalenka he just said there isn't time and tried to step on their ideas because he couldn't stand the possibility that someone else from his team would beat him to a solution.
it's true that the way Weir handled it was disrespecting but on the other hand it wasn't uncalled for, she could have done with "concentrate on a solution" remark.
you're right about that, Shep undermined Weir just like Weir undermined Kavanaugh, but the difference being Shep is beneath Weir in the chain of command while Weir is above Kavanaugh.
if Weir feels Kavanaugh is failing his responsibility she can relieve him, but Shep was overtly disobeying a direct order which is far more grave.sigpic
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Originally posted by Klenotka View PostJust quick observation. In both favorite/least favorite have Teyla and Weir enough points. I guess those two are love/hate characters more than McKay for example. Rodney has (so far) four points as least favorite and something over thirty as favorite. Which is good. I didn´t like the "too much McKay" opinions bc I am his fan.
I don't know, just speculating here since I know there's lots of females that do like Teyla and Elizabeth, including myself. Although, I should exlude myself since I don't have much interest in the male population anyway.
And yes, the 'too much Rodney' still stands in my world. And I don't even dislike Rodney.
Edit:Oops, I forgot we couldn't discuss anything. *hides*Last edited by Falcon Horus; 14 May 2007, 01:49 PM.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by bluealien View PostWeir jumped to the conclusion that Sheppard wasn't going to be of any help and ordered him to stay in his room while again it turned out that he was the one to save the day. She didn't have faith in the head of the military command, the same way she doubted that Kavanaugh was actually trying to help in 38 minutes and not trying to hinder anything.
That was Shep, who had no real idea of what was going on, making a bad decision and having no faith in either Weir or even his own man, Bates, who was in the control room at the time. His order to Bates to break the quarantine made the situation worse, not better. When Weir gave him hell, even though I like Shep alot, I thought he deserved it . . . hell even Grodin had a small smirk on his face. LOL.
Of course, Shep saved the day in the end. But the same end could have been reached if he had stayed put until McKay figured it all out (as if there was any question) and then taken care of business. But then there would have been no drama and no suspense and no Shep saving the day and no scene at the end with Weir and Shep coming to terms . . . so blame TPTB.Last edited by nowvoyager908; 14 May 2007, 02:15 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by bluealien View PostHow did Weir know he was wasting time - was she an expert on the problem they were trying to solve. All I saw was him trying to offer up solutions and also stating problems that could arise and she slapped him down. How was he impeding the team . They all seemed to be offering up solutions and ideas and at the time no one knew exactly how to solve the problem. She singled him out and had a go because she assumed he was more worried about his own ego - but it never came across like that to me. If he was so usless as she implied wasn't it strange that he ended up saving them and I didnt see him get a mention then. IMO her actions to him were uncalled for and very unprofessional , maybe he was a bit of a jerk and lacked in social skills but then McKay could be accused of the same thing at times.
Again I thought it was completely uncalled for as she had no idea if his solutions were in fact the correct ones. She picked him for the job - why should she doubt him and not expect him to be up to the task..
Weir jumped to the conclusion that Sheppard wasn't going to be of any help and ordered him to stay in his room while again it turned out that he was the one to save the day. She didn't have faith in the head of the military command, the same way she doubted that Kavanaugh was actually trying to help in 38 minutes and not trying to hinder anything.
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Originally posted by Heaven View Posthmm. actually that's not entirely true, Kavanaugh did have a valid point but the reason Weir criticised him was because he was wasting time and impeding the team from searching solutions, he was clearly more interested in his ego than saving those people.
instead of trying to help like Zalenka he just said there isn't time and tried to step on their ideas because he couldn't stand the possibility that someone else from his team would beat him to a solution.
it's true that the way Weir handled it was disrespecting but on the other hand it wasn't uncalled for, she could have done with "concentrate on a solution" remark.
So was Weir disrespectful...hell yes! Was what Weir did uncalled for? Oh hell yes. She was straight up rude and cut him to shreds for no reason. You've said nothing that changes that fact.
Originally posted by Heaven View Postyou're right about that, Shep undermined Weir just like Weir undermined Kavanaugh, but the difference being Shep is beneath Weir in the chain of command while Weir is above Kavanaugh.
if Weir feels Kavanaugh is failing his responsibility she can relieve him, but Shep was overtly disobeying a direct order which is far more grave.
Don't get me wrong, I still believe that John should have showed her a bit more respect, but I understand his frustration when he SHOULD be out there, especially since that guy couldn't be contained. As for Kavanaugh...again she had no right to publicly ream him as she did in front of his people, no matter how high she is. But then, I just have a problem when someone can't talk to another human being in a normal tone. In privacy do what you want.
When you do that in front of someone's team, who you chose because of his ability and his compentency; you got a whole hell of a lot of nerve.
Originally posted by nowvoyager908 View PostIf I remember correctly, Sheppard and Teyla breaking quarantine allowed the infected scientist they were trying to contain to escape to the mess hall . . . which in turn infected even more people with the nanovirus.
That was Shep, who had no real idea of what was going on, making a bad decision and having no faith in either Weir or even his own man, Bates, who was in the control room at the time. His order to Bates to break the quarantine made the situation worse, not better. When Weir gave him hell, even though I like Shep alot, I thought he deserved it . . . hell even Grodin had a small smirk on his face. LOL.
Of course, Shep saved the day in the end. But the same end could have been reached if he had stayed put until McKay figured it all out (as if there was any question) and then taken care of business. But then there would have been no drama and no suspense and no Shep saving the day and no scene at the end with Weir and Shep coming to terms . . . so blame TPTB.
John was far from the one to cause anything. If I have to look at it logically, she caused it to go on for too long. Although, I understand her reluctance because she didn't want to lose any more people and put a little too much hope in Beckett's ability. I wasn't too imipressed by the lie about the hazmat suits, but whatever. In any event John got the hazmat suit and tried to get rid of the guy as fast as he could. Really, Peterson was causing the problem from the beginning and although John undermined Weir---he was entitled to do that as he is head of the military in Atlantis and since he couldn't afford to get any other military infected and not enough hazmat suits to go around, and since also the other military that was infected had to stay behind---he took the chance and was sucessful.
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In response to your last statement. I never made any qualms about Hot Zone...it was used as a comparison to my 38 Minutes problem, which I explained. This Hot Zone thing just expanded without my knowledge. I thought Hot Zone was fine and had no problems with any of the outcomes. Of course I can see where both John and Weir went wrong---but that's perfect for the first season drama and makes sense especially when two people who are in charge dont' know each other and one has to give a little to the other. I can say I believe in Hot Zone that Weir saw two things in John initially a man who has a strong ATA gene and therefore vital to her mission and second, based on his past experience with military authority probably a kindred spirit. I think in this instance, she realized that it wasn't about him having a problem with military authoriy, just authority. Further more, as acting military leader he supercedes her in instances such as the one exprienced in Hot Zone.
Overall, it was a great ep---and really I have no complaints. Again to go back to my original statement, which actually wasn't supposed to be responded too by mod regulations, this is to show how her treatment to someone else was undignified and showed badly on her personality as leader. Like she had some childhood grudge of some sort. And how that was again reflected by her subsequent disrespect from Shep later on.
Oh and yeah, I liked Kavanaugh and gave my reasons!!
By the way Grodin was a special favorite. RIP--Grodin!
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Originally posted by GateLadyM View PostIf some of you want to hijack this thread and turn it into another WeirBashFest, why don't you take it to the "38 Minutes" and "Hot Zone" episode threads and spout your anti-Weir rhetoric over there? This thread isn't for deep analysis of those two episodes.
In any event your post doesn't help the situation---if it's such a problem, you should call a mod, it's just a click away.
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Originally posted by vaberella View PostAre you a mod? Maybe you should call one, because I'd sooner listen to their comments. It was clearly stated by them for people not to respond to other's posts, but then MY POST was targeted for some strange reason. Is it because people have issues with what I say and can't understand the rules?! Probably.
In any event your post doesn't help the situation---if it's such a problem, you should call a mod, it's just a click away.Kevan Smith: "I shoot it, I go home, I get drunk."
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Warning - Anti-Weir post
As I said in the polls, The Favourite is a very fine line between Fatman and Ronon. Both have the exact same traint that is missing in all the other members. They are not backwards about coming forwards. Blunt and brutal at all times. I appreciate that in a person.
They are both uniquely cool!
Least, Weir and Ford. Both were about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.
"Permission Granted/Good Luck". She could phone those lines in. Even Daniel translating ancient didnt include 5 minutes of pointless dialogue with Jack/Cam. He burst into the room, "I got it!" - and if he were not part of the team, you wouldnt need to see him again.
Ford + wraith enzyme = painful to watch. In all fairness, I liked Lt Ford much bette than Enzyme Ford - but he was still just a second string Shep.
Teyla is also useless - and just there because she looks good in a halter top - but with not having to write a pointless female lead, they could do a lot more with her.: I would very much like to have a weapon such as this.
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Originally posted by Professor Chaos View PostI don't think the mods will mind you responding to other peoples posts as long as nobody starts flaming. Opinions are no good unless theres somebody to contradict and discuss them.
Originally posted by Skydiver View Posthow about we try something with this
each person that wants to, state who you like, who you don't like
don't debate with others, don't argue, don't bash, don't be 'bad'
just state your likes/dislikes
respect others who state theirs
and let's see if this thread can last longer than a day without the mods having to come in and break up a fight
Some posters felt my views were up for debate, so I answered. I'm always up for a debate, since I totally agree that opinions are worthless without cause, well a logical cause that can spawn discussion.
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