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    Weir Pro Shep/Weir Discussion - How will Season 4 effect Sparky SPOILERS for Season 4

    This is not a list to discuss Shep/Weir nor is this a place to post pictures. This is a DISCUSSION thread only on how Elizabeth Weir being made recurring will affect the ship. I guess you can call this thread "Fans of Sparky who do not want to squee about season 4". Feel free to state your concerns about things and be as gloomy as you want - but please remember to respect others opinions - and to stay on topic.

    I am extremely concerened about the fact that we have not heard much about Weir's role in S4.

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    Thank you Suz for opening this thread, neat! Let all the speculations begin!

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzotczka
    I am extremely concerened about the fact that we have not heard much about Weir's role in S4.
    That is indeed something I'm worried about as well, nobody wants to say anything, they avoid all the questions, no direct answers.

    We know how TPTB handle ships, nobody has much faith in them (the Vala/Daniel was a surprise and yeah, they could afford to do it since it's the end of the series, they won't have to keep writing it) when all the characters of a ship are present, let alone when one is recurring, how can we hope for more Sparky than before then?
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    Default Re: Pro Shep/Weir Discussion - How will Season 4 effect Sparky *Spoilers for Season 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Celcool View Post


    Thank you Suz for opening this thread, neat! Let all the speculations begin!
    You're welcome! I hope people are made to feel welcome here

    As I said, I am extremely concerned. We had Weir in almost 20 episodes in the past. And now we're only getting a handful. I wonder in what capacity Weir will be there and how she'll interact with John.

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    Thank you, Suz! *hugs*

    Well, it looks like she'll be in less than eight. I've quit watching the show, but I haven't quit 'shipping the 'ship. I'm NOT happy about what they're doing with this though. If it turns out they're making this change to be able to push their originally-chosen 'ship, I will be furious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trialia View Post
    Thank you, Suz! *hugs*

    Well, it looks like she'll be in less than eight. I've quit watching the show, but I haven't quit 'shipping the 'ship. I'm NOT happy about what they're doing with this though. If it turns out they're making this change to be able to push their originally-chosen 'ship, I will be furious.


    If we get her in 8 for the first half, that's better than what I had already heard. But it's way less then what I want. I'm not giving up on the ship either, but I am concerned about things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzotchka View Post
    I wonder in what capacity Weir will be there and how she'll interact with John.
    I wonder about that too. How many scenes will Elizabeth have with John? Will there be any scenes of just the two of them? Will Joe and Torri act as before? The amazing chemistry they share will still be present, I have no doubts about that but will they be given a chance to show it (edit) as John and Elizabeth in all its glory? We'll see, I guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by Trialia View Post
    If it turns out they're making this change to be able to push their originally-chosen 'ship, I will be furious.
    I somehow doubt they would do that. I'm not too worried, they seem not to want any ships. Hopefully I'm right (about the first part).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Celcool View Post
    I wonder about that too. How many scenes will Elizabeth have with John? Will there be any scenes of just the two of them? Will Joe and Torri act as before? The amazing chemistry they share will still be present, I have no doubts about that but will they be given a chance to show it (edit) as John and Elizabeth in all its glory? We'll see, I guess.
    I wonder how they're going to handle it too. they've got chemistry that's for sure, but how will her not being on the show full time affect John?

    I'd just like to add that it's okay to be positive about things too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzotchka View Post
    I wonder how they're going to handle it too. they've got chemistry that's for sure, but how will her not being on the show full time affect John?

    I'd just like to add that it's okay to be positive about things too.
    Oh, yes, positivity is good, we're just here so we don't get accused of spoiling anyone's zen, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trialia View Post
    Oh, yes, positivity is good, we're just here so we don't get accused of spoiling anyone's zen, right?
    you said it - not me! *runs away*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzotchka View Post
    you said it - not me! *runs away*
    Naturally. Don't I always come right out and say what I think? But honestly, I don't think the people in question had considered that what they were saying was hurtful in return.

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    Default Re: Pro Shep/Weir Discussion - How will Season 4 effect Sparky *Spoilers for Season 4

    I wonder how we're going to get Sparky moments if she's recurring?

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    I am fan of Sparky. And I hate the very thought of Teyla and John. I am scared that they may be doing this to put those two together. I certainly hope not.

    As for the recurring character, this could be very bad or somewhat good. She could go join Ford in La La land or she could be like Zelenka or Becket in the first season and be there quite often. Those two have had very good screen time as recurring and Becket even had "poisoning the well".

    As of late it seems Liz is just being a schedule keeper. 1 minute in the begining to say "go" and 1 minute at the end to say "what trouble have you caused?" (sometimes the middle had a whole bunch of worry, but she had to worry about everyone not just the one we want her to) I think it might be better if instead of 20 episodes of that to have 8-10 good recurring episode where she really does something useful (like poisoning the well). Off world stories could bring a new level to her character and thus bring her and John closer. And give more opertunities for John to worry about her for a change. (And give him something to look at instead of wooden girl Teyla)

    I know that is being optimistic, and unfortantly I don't think it will happen, but we can only hope. I have the sinking feeling Ford is going to get a new friend in LaLa land. If it was good, they would be spilling their guts about it. Quite is not a good thing for producers who want to promote.

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    Default Re: Pro Shep/Weir Discussion - How will Season 4 effect Sparky *Spoilers for Season 4

    Quote Originally Posted by kittyangel View Post
    I know that is being optimistic, and unfortantly I don't think it will happen, but we can only hope. I have the sinking feeling Ford is going to get a new friend in LaLa land. If it was good, they would be spilling their guts about it. Quite is not a good thing for producers who want to promote.
    The fact that they don't know how many episodes Torri/Weir is going to be in, to me, is not a good sign. If they knew what they wanted to do with her and knew what kind of arc they wanted to give her, they'd have some inkling as to a number. I dont think it's right to reduce her just so other characters can be developed (if that's what they're doing).

    I can see all those scenarios greatly impacting the Shep/Weir dynamic. In fact, I think it just about changes everything on Atlantis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alyssa View Post
    Good idea for a thread. I think a lot of people are a little reluctant to go into the Sparky thread to talk about their concerns because they've been accused of 'ruining their zen'. What kind of zen will they have left to ruin when Torri's gone? Because their ship won't be happening.
    Well, everyone is welcome here!

    Someone should post a link to this thread in the Shep/Weir one.

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    Yeah. Well I'm glad this thread's here because I have some concerns too. I was never accused of ruining anyone's Zen at least that I knew of , but I appreciate the place to talk about doubts, because I have em and they plague me

    I'm hoping they're going to play it in such a way that, if Weir's not a primary boss-character anymore, that suddenly her and John will just feel different around each other. Like, they could very easily do a scene where John's asking her to lunch and they're both real awkward about it (John's ALWAYS awkward around her! ) and then she's like, "You know John, I'm not your boss anymore " with lifted eyebrows and John's like "HmMmmMmmMmm"

    I think it's totally doable. Whether they'll see that and be smart or just piss her away though, is another question .

    Let's say for example that Odyssey or something comes to assist them, I really hope Weir isn't evacuated for medical attention like semi-permanently. Anyone heard anything new about that spoiler image? Is it legit?

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    Yeah. Well I'm glad this thread's here because I have some concerns too. I was never accused of ruining anyone's Zen at least that I knew of , but I appreciate the place to talk about doubts, because I have em and they plague me

    I'm hoping they're going to play it in such a way that, if Weir's not a primary boss-character anymore, that suddenly her and John will just feel different around each other. Like, they could very easily do a scene where John's asking her to lunch and they're both real awkward about it (John's ALWAYS awkward around her! ) and then she's like, "You know John, I'm not your boss anymore " with lifted eyebrows and John's like "HmMmmMmmMmm"

    I think it's totally doable. Whether they'll see that and be smart or just piss her away though, is another question .

    Let's say for example that Odyssey or something comes to assist them, I really hope Weir isn't evacuated for medical attention like semi-permanently. Anyone heard anything new about that spoiler image? Is it legit?
    I hope that what screen time they do give her is not wasted. They have such chemistry. I don't want a 2 second scene between them.

    I like your idea of Liz saying that she's not his boss anymore! That would be great! But at the same time, she belongs on Atlantis as it's leader.

    As far as that image goes, it was posted on JM's blog, so I assume it's legit.

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    I think the image was legit, but I fear it’s from a scene before the ‘infirmary one that we no about .'

    I’m glad this thread was started. Thanks Suz.

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    Suz, this is a great idea for the thread!

    Now, let me try to explain my point of view...

    There is "realistic" side of me and there is "optimistic" side of me. (you can call that "realistic part" The Pessimist too). The Pessimist tends to think worse kinds of things, like Lizzie gone for good and off to LaLa Land (I like the way you call it). I don't trust that pic on JM's blog one bit. (remember what they said about Carson)

    About Sheyla (eeeew), seriously, I don't see how could they pull that one out. There is like zero point one chemistry between Shep and Xena. There is lot more chemistry between Teyla and Ronon (Think Lost boys, or was it The Hive? That salad eating). There is a LOT more chemistry between John and Elizabeth.

    Despite the "Unending" and Daniel/Vala; I still think that TPTB suck at shpis, and that they generally don't want them. If there is room for a little chemistry on screen, then they will allow the actors to pursue it. That's how we got most of those maginficant moments in various SG ships. (in fact my first SG ship was done by the actors, and not TPTB. It's Daniel and Janet, just in case you wonder. TPTB ruined it with "Heroes").

    Back on topic, I can't really imagine Atlantis without Elizabeth. For me, she is the center character of the show, she sets the tone, she is the voice of reason and compassion. If she's of to LaLa Land ... ah well, I might stop watching. I don't care how good and gut wrenching stories they give us, killing off characters or sending them "away" isn't the way to make a show more interesting...

    But there is that Optimist in me... and the Optimist says, forget the cannon (especially screwed up one) and enjoy the ship, the fannons... is't us who create the ship, and not TPTB. I don't count on them really.

    Now I'm off to my little AU where "Heroes" and "Sunday" never happened, and Lizzie is fine and she is doing her job - running the Atlantis.

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    You're welcome! I hope people are made to feel welcome here

    As I said, I am extremely concerned. We had Weir in almost 20 episodes in the past. And now we're only getting a handful. I wonder in what capacity Weir will be there and how she'll interact with John.
    I have always though from the begining that there was great potential between Weir and Shep. Weir is very different from other stargate leaders in being both strong and feminine .

    It does not look like we are ever going to see this developed .

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    Strong and feminine - I love that about her. But there are lot of people who don't (I mean, don't like strong and feminine women who are leaders), because... it's still a man's world.
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