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    Just want to reiterate how much I love this thread!
    Many thanks to MajorSal for starting it!

    The following are just a few of the Sam Carter/Amanda Tapping scenes that stand out for me (both for the character of SC and the acting of AT).

    1. The scene with Martouf in the episode The Tokra (part 1) where she is sitting on the sand dune with her knees pulled up (talking about Jolinar and schizophrenia) -- I can still see this scene in my mind. As many of you have noted in previous postings, this was a stellar perfomance.

    2. The scene near the end of the episode in Singularity where Sam tries to leave Cassandra but can't.


    3. The scene in Death Knell where we first see Sam hiding from Anubis' drone -- AT had no lines, and the scene was very short, but AT's acting was exceptional -- as Chopin Gal stated, what AT can do with a facial expression! AT portrayed the exhaustion and relief so perfectly!

    4. The scene at the end of Death Knell where O'Neill asks her if she wants to get up (stupid question, btw - he should have started assessing her injuries). AT stated that she was uncomfortable with the way that this scene was written... it could easily come across as the weak woman collapsing against the strong male saviour (a cliched ending if there ever was one). So, I was blown away with how AT played the scene - she definitely did not come across as the stereotypical emotional woman who falls on the male... no, AT claimed that scene as she played the exhausted soldier - with no emphasis on her sex. She simply played it so believably!

    5. The scenes at the beginning of Space Race... where Sam wants to join the race - for the fun of it.

    6. The episode ‘Grace’ surprised me. Surprised and impressed me.

    I have been watching and reading science fiction for over 30 years (scary how fast the years pass), and the episode ‘Grace’ goes beyond standard TV science fiction.

    First, I had heard and read synopses of the show… Carter is stranded alone on the Prometheus… and has some time to think about her life. Now, stranding main characters on a ship is an old TV sci fi plot device, so, to be honest, the episode sounded fairly… boring. But then I finally got to watch ‘Grace’ (on the DVDs) – and I was stunned at how well the episode was constructed, filmed and acted. The story was never boring… and in fact, the episode seemed to reach the end all too quickly. I have actually watched this episode three times now (and that was a first for me with a TV show episode), and I see more commendable attributes with each viewing!

    Amanda Tapping’s acting was simply stellar - five-star ! She truly acts – she doesn’t just stand in the scenes, say her lines and let the scene play out around her (as many TV actors do). She put forth an exceptional performance worthy of the cinema or theatre – and she was believable – and that believability, that veracity is what is so outstanding. And AT does this all the time, not just in Grace. And it's what makes AT stand out head and shoulders above almost all other actors.

    Of note, AT deserves special commendation for the following scenes:
    (and please note that these are only a few of what could be included)

    Sam to Daniel: Were you this annoying when you were ascended?
    (an absolutely wonderful line, perfectly delivered by AT).
    Daniel: I don't know, depends on who you ask. I thought I had a certain je ne sais quoi. Timing was so so.

    (The interaction between Sam and Daniel was wonderfully played by both actors.)

    Daniel: Look, you just need some help, that's all. Can't you just try to go along with this?
    Sam: You're me talking to.. me?

    (another perfect delivery by AT).

    Daniel: Well I think you're going about this all wrong.
    Sam: This is helping?

    (and again another perfect delivery)

    When Sam fights for consciousness and slides down the wall while ‘Daniel’ is trying to get her to consider the possible sentience of the cloud.
    (superbly acted by AT… and that slide down the wall looked painful)

    Sam wakes up on the floor: This is real. This is real.
    (excellently acted by Amanda Tapping)

    The entire scene with Jacob.

    Sam watching the bubbles at the end and AT does a fantastic job of showing on her face when the inspiration hits her… when she connects the bubbles to a possible way to get out of the nebula/cloud. Again, her facial expressions and reactions are simply believable and, somehow honest – and that is the very essence of an exceptional actor – one who can act and yet it doesn’t seem like they are acting.

    Grace: What you looking at?
    Sam: It's complicated.
    Grace: Try me.
    Sam: I'm gonna try and save myself with a bubble.
    Grace: How?
    Sam: The hyperdrive won't fully engage because of the cloud but maybe it doesn't have to. If I can dial down the power flow to the hyperdrive emitter theoretically I should be able to cause a partial shift into hyperspace, essentially taking the ship out of the cloud's space time. Hopefully just enough to eliminate its effects on the sub light engines.
    Grace: Neat.
    Sam: Yeah.

    (Sam talking technobabble to herself… and her enthusiasm showing through – beautiful. AT plays this with such positive enthusiasm that it’s hard not to smile along with her)

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    The writing for this episode deserves 4-stars .


    The ensuing story effectively interwove Sam’s efforts (and voice-overs) with Sam’s periods of unconsciousness, her hallucinations… and the little girl citing the words to Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star… along with a couple of looks at what how the search was progressing from the SGC-side. The incorporation of Teal’c, Daniel, Grace, Jacob and Jack into Sam’s hallucinations was wonderfully executed and integrated.


    Grace was actually a complicated, yet ‘tightly’ woven episode. There were so many different threads and perspectives… the writing, directing and acting were amazing! For a TV show? Almost unbelievable – this type of quality is so rare that it’s almost non-existent. Grace is not standard one-hour TV-episode fare.

    Just a few of the exceptional lines and scenes are below (in addition to the ones cited earlier):

    The action and story set-up at the beginning was wonderfully thought-out and filmed. Lots of action, suspense, science fiction storyline and good integration of secondary characters

    Teal’c:
    That's not all. Everything may not be as it seems.
    Sam: Well thank you but the fact that I'm talking to someone who's not really here kind of speaks to that.

    Daniel: Hey! Have I told you my latest theory yet? It's really cool. Lose something?
    Sam: Did you see a…
    Daniel: Little girl?
    Sam: Yeah.
    Daniel: No.
    (Love the dry humor)

    Sam: The cloud is alive?
    Daniel: Yeah, it's a sentient being like feelings, memories. Space born alien entity if you will.
    Sam: That's crazy.
    (The different theories presented via the personas of Teal’c and Daniel were nicely executed… in character for T&D, but also right down ‘plausible science fiction plot lines’… great writing to have these conversations show how Sam is trying to work through the possibilities).

    Jacob: I know it sounds corny but you get to an age, you get to an age where you think of everything you did wrong as a parent. Don't take this the wrong way.
    Sam: I know, I don't look so good.
    (Love the dry humor and that these folks don’t take themselves too seriously)

    Jacob: I wanted so many things for you Sam. And look what it's brought you instead.
    Sam: Sure, the massive headache really takes the edge off it all.
    (very effective gallows humor)

    Sam: Dad, I am happy. I've seen and done things most people couldn't even dream of. I have an incredible life.
    Jacob: And yet you're alone.
    Sam: Well lately the dating scene's been a little stale but then again I am marooned on a space ship.
    (Loved this last line)

    Sam: I'd let you go right now if I knew.
    Jack: That easy?
    Sam: I didn't say it would be easy.
    (wonderfully written)

    Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
    (And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

    These excerpts from the Grace transcript are from the Stargate SG-1 Transcript website
    http://www.moon-catchin.net/transcripts.htm


    I deliberately tried to stay away from most of the ship/non-ship lines or implications as that would spark numerous additional pages on a topic outside the scope of this thread. My feelings on J/S ship are fairly well portrayed in my fanfics such as 'Come Fly With Me' and'What Will It Take' (all available on Fanfiction.net, Heliopolis and Gateworld).

    If you like Carter-centered fanfic, I have written
    'Nine' - about a young nine-year old Sam at the present-day SGC
    'Overtime' - Sam as the heroic, competent soldier
    'A Beautiful Mind' - The NID get their hands on Sam.
    I have other recommendations for Carterfic at http://www.fanfiction.net/u/599721/


    If you have a chance, please check out Chopin Gal's newest fic 'Head Trip' at Fanfiction.net.
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    Default Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons

    Thanks, Sky and Madeleine, for the "blue-box" tips! Now, let's see if I can read directions:

    ChopinGal, I'd PM you, but you've disabled your PMs. To do a quote, type

    Er...no blue box?!

    However, I can't resist responding to my "missing PMS" - Holy Hannah - most of the time my PMS is pretty noticeable

    Okay, okay ... I'll check around on the board and figure out why my PMS is disabled ...

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    Default Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons

    Because Sam, our "National Treasure," deserves much more than the second page.

    BUMP!

    And I just watched Grace today, too! I didn't like it the first time that much, but upon rewatching...WOW. My favorite parts are when Jack is giving her some pep talk, though. He respects her SO much and she knows that, which is what makes that aspect of the episode so compelling. Sam's willpower is amazing. Her ability to even fragment her thought processes into different characterizations of her friends, albeit illusion, was powerful and key to observing different angles on the same situation. Her problem-solving skills are magnificent, and Grace really let her shine a little bit. Even if it was a dream.

    And as astrogeologist mentioned:

    Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
    (And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

    That was my favorite line in the entire episode. Awesomeness.

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    Default Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons

    Quote Originally Posted by aeromathlete
    Because Sam, our "National Treasure," deserves much more than the second page.

    BUMP!

    And I just watched Grace today, too! I didn't like it the first time that much, but upon rewatching...WOW. My favorite parts are when Jack is giving her some pep talk, though. He respects her SO much and she knows that, which is what makes that aspect of the episode so compelling. Sam's willpower is amazing. Her ability to even fragment her thought processes into different characterizations of her friends, albeit illusion, was powerful and key to observing different angles on the same situation. Her problem-solving skills are magnificent, and Grace really let her shine a little bit. Even if it was a dream.

    And as astrogeologist mentioned:

    Jack: Will you guys shut up? Let her work.
    (And Jack trusts her – an exceptional line)

    That was my favorite line in the entire episode. Awesomeness.
    The more I watched and thought about the episode Grace, the more I grew to appreciate what the writers, directors and actors accomplished - which was much more than I had anticipated (I have watched so much scifi, that I am a bit jaded -- I love scifi...and I watch almost anything that airs, but I don't expect to be blown away very often... ).

    And, just a note - I love the SC picture in aeromathlete's signature
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes
    My favorite "Sam" moments....

    Singularity. Riding with Cassie in the elevator. Being unable to leave her. That scene breaks my heart everytime I watch it.

    Solitudes. Trying to keep Jack alive. Working so hard to get them out. Climbing out of that hole just to see miles of snow and ice. Her quiet "I'm here Jack" when he calls for Sara. Just lovely stuff.

    In the Line of Duty. Maybe Sam's best episode (to me). I loved the Jolinar arc and thought it introduced a whole new layer to Sam's character. The scene at the end - when she's laying in bed after Jolinar has died to save her. Just fabulous work from AT.

    Tok'ra I&II. I've loved the arc with Sam's father Jacob. And the scenes when she tells Jacob what she really does (in the hospital room) and they go thru the gate together really touched me. I really felt that Sam was at last reassured that her father was proud of her.

    Jolinar's Memories/Devil You Know. Again, part of the Jolinar arc and I loved what Sam went thru in Jolinar's Memories to help Martouf. I loved that they let Sam just be one of the gang and be tortured like everyone else. And again - great scenes with Jacob and Sam.

    Foothold. Kickass Sam to the rescue. Snarky Sam telling off Maybourne. What's not to love.

    Exodus/Enemies. My favorite episodes for Sam the brilliant scientist and Sam the great soldier. Blowing up the sun was a wicked cool plan. And snarky Sam running thru the halls blowing away replicators with her P90 is the Sam I love to see. Had some great Sam lines.

    JACK: Carter? How do you know where to go in a place like this?
    SAM: I studied certain respects of the ship while we were on Vorash.
    JACK: You know how to have a good time, don't you?
    SAM: I'm having a good time now, Sir.
    JACK: You GO girl.

    JACK: Yes! Well, next time, maybe we'll just wait and see.
    JACOB: And blow the last chance I'll ever have to being right?
    SAM: (Laughing) Welcome to MY life!

    Meridian/Paradise Lost. The "Sam loves her team" episodes. I really thought these were both good to show how close Sam is to the boys. Her scene at the dying Daniel's bedside. When she broke down in the locker room over Jack's disappearance. Accepting comfort from Teal'c. These all make me weepy just thinking about them.

    Grace. I know this isn't everyone's cup of tea but I really loved it. My interpretation (I guess) was different from many people's and I enjoyed seeing Sam face up to her inner fears and demons and doubts. And question her choices in life. I loved AT's performance in this one.

    Death Knell. What I enjoyed about Sam in this episode is that she was stripped of her computer models and her technobabble was in basic survival mode. Sam can hold her own - on a physical level - with the best of them and she really showed it here. Seeing Sam being less-than-glamorous. A real soldier. It all worked for me. And of course I love the exploration of the father/daughter relationship with Jacob and there were some really great scenes in this one.
    What a wonderfully thought out post! Thanks! And I have to agree wholeheartedly with the Foothold assessment! "Kickass Sam to the rescue. Snarky Sam telling off Maybourne. What's not to love."

    CARTER: Maybourne, you are an idiot every day of the week!
    Why couldn't you have just taken one day off?!


    That is one of my most memorable 'Sam lines'!
    And thanks to MajorSal for letting us know that AT adlibbed that line!

    Quote Originally Posted by MajorSal
    Amanda adlibbed that line to Maybourne.

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    I just saw this thread and had to put my 2 cents in. Forgive me if I repeat some of what has already been said. I didn't really have time to read all of the posts. I love the character of Sam Carter. I started watching stargate because of the chemistry between the all of the main characters but I enjoy Carter the most. I think Amanda Tapping and the writers have done a great job with the development of the character as well...until season 7 that is (and I place no blame on AT for that). I think season 7 has found the character out of synch with the rest of the show's running.

    Sam is a strong woman (unlike some other female main characters who are either incredibly stupid or so over-the-top feminist that it's ridiculous) and she has strong convictions. Her behavior up to season 7 dictates that she does what she does well and she does it passionately. There is nothing half-hearted about her actions or decisions. As a scientist she doesn't jump to any conclusions hastily...she has to think everything through...it's her nature. I think TPTB have forgotten or chosen to ignore that small factor of the character. I do appreciate seeing side of Sam that's not just the soldier/scientist however the Sam I know and love would not hastily jump into a relationship with Shanahan and certainly not an engagement. I also firmly believe (and this is one of the chief problems I see) that Sam knows the seriousness of the Stargate Program and would not petition for her *boyfriend* to get clearance. I think Sam is fully aware of just how many base personel go home to their spouses and aren't able to tell them anything...why should she be any different? They've made up cover stories before...why not now? I am a firm believer that Pete should not have clearance of any kind, especially because at the point he received it, there was (and in my opinion still is) a chance that they won't stay together.

    While I don't believe there is any obligation on either of their parts and there have been no real promises, I am an S/J shipper at heart and fervently hope that they end up together. I'm still trying to decide if I can tolerate Pete as a platonic-friend-type-person for Sam (definitely not the romantic thing), but I am having trouble getting past his stalker issues (and I do like 'Pete-whumping' fics...he makes great villain too). I guess only time will tell.

    To sum up, Sam is a great character and is entitled to make mistakes and to not be "herself" occasionally but I think someone really missed the boat with season 7 (not to be cliche or anything). Well, I think I'm done ranting now...maybe...

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    I haven't seen Grace in a while, but it was one of my least favorite episodes of Season 7. The main reason is it depicted Sam as being hung up on man issues, planning her life around whether she was going to get a fulfilling relationship. I also thought the quasi-confession about Jack took away some of Sam's maturity - it made it seem like she was now ready to move on from a crush. I really disliked that way of portraying Sam.

    One of the reasons I wish Grace had been better (in the sense of filling out Sam's character) was that I also disliked Space Race, which was another Sam-centric episode. I really do like the character of Sam! I don't think giving her screen time should be dismissed as Sam-Spam. I don't mind her technobabble: that's part of Sam's character. I like to see Sam solving technical problems and getting down and dirty with a soldering iron. I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.

    In future Sam-centric episodes I hope to see Sam grow as her own person, who doesn't have to define herself vis-a-vis the men around her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgater926
    I love the character of Sam Carter. I started watching stargate because of the chemistry between the all of the main characters but I enjoy Carter the most. I think Amanda Tapping and the writers have done a great job with the development of the character as well...until season 7 that is (and I place no blame on AT for that).
    Quote Originally Posted by sgater926
    Sam is a strong woman (unlike some other female main characters who are either incredibly stupid or so over-the-top feminist that it's ridiculous) and she has strong convictions. Her behavior up to season 7 dictates that she does what she does well and she does it passionately. There is nothing half-hearted about her actions or decisions. As a scientist she doesn't jump to any conclusions hastily...she has to think everything through...it's her nature.

    Wonderful posting! I agree, I agree!

    And I'm so relieved to see that AT will definitely be back for most of Season 9... hopefully the writers will create some strong scripts for her character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graculus
    I don't mind her technobabble: that's part of Sam's character. I like to see Sam solving technical problems and getting down and dirty with a soldering iron. I also like to see Sam exhibit her military competence - kicking butt, exhibiting her marksmanship skills, and being given the chance to be the Hand Signal Person In Charge.
    Very well stated and I wholeheartedly agree!

    We need some scenes where AT shows competence in the field - kicking bad-guy butt... saving lives... and commanding in the field! Hopefully, the writers will give us some of that in Season 9. Women in the military need some strong, competent, yet personable portrayals on TV and in the movies.


    I also like your turn of phrase: 'Hand Signal Person In Charge' -- so perfectly descriptive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by graculus
    I haven't seen Grace in a while, but it was one of my least favorite episodes of Season 7. The main reason is it depicted Sam as being hung up on man issues, planning her life around whether she was going to get a fulfilling relationship. I also thought the quasi-confession about Jack took away some of Sam's maturity - it made it seem like she was now ready to move on from a crush. I really disliked that way of portraying Sam.

    I didn't have a problem with Grace, because there's nothing wrong with dealing with personal issues for our characters. Sam, until she got to the SGC, where she was judged solely on her abilities, has had to be better than the men to get ahead. She's had prior relationship problems. And she's a workaholic. As a result, she's put her personal life on hold and I don't have a problem with exploring that.

    I *did* have a problem with the solution, the Pete thread, because I *do* think that it ends up demeaning Sam, because of the way Pete has been written. I have no clue what TPTB were thinking in the way they are writing Pete. They want me to like him--so they say--but every step has been a misstep for me. (And I have liked to one degree or another the other men who have courted Sam: Martouf, Narim [who turned out to be a stand-up guy], Joe [in 2001, but not in 2010 where he betrayed his world], even sad-sack Orlin). Pete is not someone I'd want to know in real life--and that's how I judge my characters.

    As for Jack: I don't think the ep showed it to be a "crush" at all. I think it showed that Sam was no longer sure of Jack's feelings--it had been "in the room" for so long--and she was afraid that if she continued to put her personal life on hold until the regs were no longer an issue, she might find out that Jack was no longer interested and she had wasted all those years. The thing is that, for all her brilliance, Sam is not that good at reading people. If she were, she would know that Jack's feelings had not changed. (This was emphasized in Jack's reactions in the *real* part of the ep--what was going on back at the SGC.)

    I thought Grace was an excellent ep.
    "He's an amazing man. After everything he's done, he's still modest. Quite self-effacing actually. He even likes people to think he's not as smart as he is. Bottom line, he's an incredibly strong leader who's given more to this program than any man has given to anything I can imagine."


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    I agree that whole characters have personal lives, and I include Sam in that. It was just cool that for a minute Sam stood for a woman with other priorities. Since that apparently proved impossible to maintain, my vote goes with Pete rather than Jack. I've just never seen the chemistry between Sam and Jack. That's not to say that Jack doesn't exude sex appeal - and I saw chemistry with Sara (Harley Jane Kozak) and a certain comfort level with Lara. I did, on the other hand, see chemistry between Pete and Sam. Sam is obviously less "tense" with Pete, and he seems to bring out her softer side. So if we have to ship Sam, I think Pete's the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graculus
    I agree that whole characters have personal lives, and I include Sam in that. It was just cool that for a minute Sam stood for a woman with other priorities. Since that apparently proved impossible to maintain, my vote goes with Pete rather than Jack. I've just never seen the chemistry between Sam and Jack. That's not to say that Jack doesn't exude sex appeal - and I saw chemistry with Sara (Harley Jane Kozak) and a certain comfort level with Lara. I did, on the other hand, see chemistry between Pete and Sam. Sam is obviously less "tense" with Pete, and he seems to bring out her softer side. So if we have to ship Sam, I think Pete's the way to go.

    Later,
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    spoilers for s7's chimera

    If I could turn off my Sam/Jack shippiness, I'd *still* not want Pete for Sam. He's not a monster by any means, but he was disrespectful to her in Chimera. I don't care if his 'cop instincts' kicked in or not, he still should have respected Sam's situation that she couldn't tell him what she did for a living. Was it ever shown in the ep that he was worried about her safety, or worried about his own, or that he thought she was into something illegal - because those are the only reasons I can think of for him doing what he did to her. For as long as I've thought about Chimera and Pete's actions/reactions in that ep, I still can't figure out why the writers wrote it like that unless they were going to go somewhere with it.

    Even if I didn't like Chimera or the Pete storyline, I still like the writers delving into Sam's personal life.

    And I LOVED Grace!

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    I agree that Pete crossed the line in investigating Sam, but I think anyone with his resources would be tempted. I don't go for lunch meeting these day without expecting that the other person googled me. This is a society that lurches wildly between ideas of security and privacy, the power of knowledge and terror of the stranger. Pete had to face up to what he did, though, and Sam forgave him.

    Jack, on the other hand, seems to be uncomfortable with Sam's intelligence, and sometimes he's outright mean to her. I figure that he's distancing himself as a matter of professional respect, so dallying with him won't get in the way of her career. He must have had a hand in getting Pete SGC clearance, too. I'm sure Jack wants the best for Sam, and he seems to think that the best is someone other than himself with Sam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graculus
    I agree that Pete crossed the line in investigating Sam, but I think anyone with his resources would be tempted. I don't go for lunch meeting these day without expecting that the other person googled me. This is a society that lurches wildly between ideas of security and privacy, the power of knowledge and terror of the stranger. Pete had to face up to what he did, though, and Sam forgave him.

    Jack, on the other hand, seems to be uncomfortable with Sam's intelligence, and sometimes he's outright mean to her. I figure that he's distancing himself as a matter of professional respect, so dallying with him won't get in the way of her career. He must have had a hand in getting Pete SGC clearance, too. I'm sure Jack wants the best for Sam, and he seems to think that the best is someone other than himself with Sam.

    Later,
    Graculus
    Hi, Graculus. I feel what we're talking about has went too far off the topic of this thread, so I've moved this question to the 'ship discussion thread 1' and replied.

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showpost....&postcount=544

    I hope we can continue this discussion there.

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    Default Re: Sam's a great character - spoilers for *ALL* seasons

    Back on topic: Sam is really cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by aeromathlete
    Back on topic: Sam is really cool!
    I second that observation!

    And, for all who are interested, I ran across this thread yesterday:Sam Carter / AT - S9 -- Another thread that is Pro-Carter and wondering how BB's character will affect the team dynamics.

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    Originally this post was in reply to a comment made on the Sam-Jack Ship Family Thread, but I felt that the sentiments were most appropriate for the Carter thread, so I'm posting it here too.

    Quote Originally Posted by sacme
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    Great seeing Jack use his ancient powers. [Again, I'll say-- Can we please see Sam use her powers before this show is over?!]

    I agree. The show is more fun and interesting when it advances and develops the SciFi qualities of ALL of the major characters. The stories lately have been sorely lacking in their inclusion of Carter's heroic qualities and contributions. They had an episode where Teal'c got his mojo back... and they need something along those lines for Carter. Here's hoping that Season 9 does the character some justice.
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    Hi
    I've enjoyed reading this thread. Astrogeologist's long post was the best I've read on the site so far. So thoughtfully written. Many things on that post I've thought myself, and some things which I hadn't, but agree with. So thanks for taking the time to post it

    I also like the Grace interaction with Daniel. He flutters his eyelashes at Sam at one point and I think Amanda struggled not to laugh, but the exchange between them was perfection.

    Agree with the "Welcome to my life" A writing gem with a superb delivery - emphasis on the "my"

    I loved the scene between her and Janet and Cassie at the opening of Right of Passage. (I'm missing Janet) And the scene with her and Cassie playing chess in the middle of the ep'

    AT delivers all her lines with total perfection and her expressions are brilliant. A lot of them are just for the briefest of moments. I'm amazed the big movie makers aren't beating her door down with a battering ram!

    Having said all that, I don't like the way her character was written in season 7, she has just suddenly changed. I mean the acting is just superb, just not carter season 1 to 6, it's too much of a jump for me. I don't mind her with Pete, but the ship should end between her and jack, I think she has far too much integrity as an individual to date someone seriously when she's obviously still in love with O'Neill.

    My take on O'Neill's attitude to Sam is he's crazy about Sam, but scared to death of being close to someone again???

    Carter is just the best female role I have come accross, I doubt anyone other than AT could have portrayed the character so superbly. I hope we get back to her kicking butt in season 9 (though I haven't seen any season 8 yet)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coley
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    I've enjoyed reading this thread. Astrogeologist's long post was the best I've read on the site so far. So thoughtfully written. Many things on that post I've thought myself, and some things which I hadn't, but agree with. So thanks for taking the time to post it

    I also like the Grace interaction with Daniel. He flutters his eyelashes at Sam at one point and I think Amanda struggled not to laugh, but the exchange between them was perfection.

    Agree with the "Welcome to my life" A writing gem with a superb delivery - emphasis on the "my"

    I loved the scene between her and Janet and Cassie at the opening of Right of Passage. (I'm missing Janet) And the scene with her and Cassie playing chess in the middle of the ep'

    AT delivers all her lines with total perfection and her expressions are brilliant. A lot of them are just for the briefest of moments. I'm amazed the big movie makers aren't beating her door down with a battering ram!

    Having said all that, I don't like the way her character was written in season 7, she has just suddenly changed. I mean the acting is just superb, just not carter season 1 to 6, it's too much of a jump for me. I don't mind her with Pete, but the ship should end between her and jack, I think she has far too much integrity as an individual to date someone seriously when she's obviously still in love with O'Neill.

    My take on O'Neill's attitude to Sam is he's crazy about Sam, but scared to death of being close to someone again???

    Carter is just the best female role I have come accross, I doubt anyone other than AT could have portrayed the character so superbly. I hope we get back to her kicking butt in season 9 (though I haven't seen any season 8 yet)
    Welcome aboard, Coley! Thanks for your kind comments and I agree with just about everything you said regarding Carter, although I have to admit that O'Neill has me pretty confused! (but that's a topic for another thread ).

    I'm just a woman here, who loves scifi adventure...and needs to see some strong female heroes... Here's hoping that Season 9 develops the character of Carter in a positive light.

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    Sam Video Montage

    If you haven't already seen it there is a wonderful Sam-video-montage at

    http://www.rocketfic.com/clips/from_my_friends_hi.mov

    From RocketChick's homepage (which is a Janet-fan-site, but has this wonderful video of Sam clips). From her main webpage, you can scroll down and find links to the Sam-video.

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