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    Visit the Episode GuideDOCTOR WHO SERIES 29
    DALEKS IN MANHATTAN
    EPISODE NUMBER - 2904

    In 1930 New York City, the surviving Daleks take advantage of Depression-era poverty to construct the Empire State Building and to experiment on their future evolution. The Doctor and Martha come to the aid of a chorus girl when her boyfriend goes missing.

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    Default Daleks In Manhatten - Rant after the first few minutes

    These are the worst american accents I have ever heard.

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    Default Re: Daleks In Manhatten - Rant after the first few minutes

    What do ya mean? D'ose akcents are poifect, oi tells ya!

    Alas, I'll have to watch it later. I was too busy and I've missed a good ten minutes of this week's episode.
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    Default Re: Daleks In Manhatten - Rant after the first few minutes

    lol I liked the accents.
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    Default Re: Daleks In Manhatten - Rant after the first few minutes

    Quote Originally Posted by mappalazarou View Post
    lol I liked the accents.
    I have to admit I wasn't tuned in to the accents that much, but I was settled back with my head on a cushion and therefore only really listening with one ear. Plus the window was a bit open so I was getting quite a lot of traffic noise too.

    That said, I quite enjoyed the efforts with the accents where I picked them up more clearly - though of course they're not always successful!

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    An okay episode, I preferred last weeks.

    I feel like they're really over-using the Daleks now, even if it is the cult of Skaro that remains. I preferred the first part of the episode to the last part and wondered why the Daleks didn't recognise the Doctor....It was an interesting episode overall.

    Here's my theory for next week;

    The normal Daleks will turn against Dalek Sec because of his evolution, and the Doctor will then have to stop both sides from destroying humanity with the aid of the poor people.
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    Default Re: Daleks In Manhatten - Rant after the first few minutes

    i found that episode very dissapointing, was as good then i thought
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    This was probably the weakest episode of the season so far, to be honest, although it was by no means bad. There was nothing actually bad about it, the positives just weren't that strong.

    I liked the conversation about what date it was. "You're getting good at this?"

    This is a very... interesting move for the producers to make, regarding the Daleks. Hopefully they won't get of the old pepper pots for good.

    The Pig-Slaves must be of really low intelligence to not notice the Doctor and Laszlo slipping in with the other prisoners.

    So has Martha actually become a companion now, or is he still doing the "just one more trip" thing. He mentioned something about New York being a detour...

    6-7/10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naonak View Post
    This was probably the weakest episode of the season so far, to be honest, although it was by no means bad. There was nothing actually bad about it, the positives just weren't that strong.
    It's true.

    Quote Originally Posted by mappalazarou View Post
    The normal Daleks will turn against Dalek Sec because of his evolution, and the Doctor will then have to stop both sides from destroying humanity with the aid of the poor people.
    I totally agree with you on that one.

    I thought the accents were awful.

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    I'm torn on this one, the scenes in the sewers, and the scenes in the Empire State Building seemed very classic Who, on the other hand you had the slightly... naff (technical term that ) scenes which just put me off entirely, which basically adds up to everything in the theater, and any scene with that god aweful showgirl in the angel costume.

    6/10 - some moments of brilliance, but they weren't enough to make up for the weaker parts of the ep.

    Favorite line:

    Martha: Daleks? - One word, but it showed a major difference between the increasingly impressive Martha, and Rose. Martha recognised the name from last week's ep, but didn't make a big deal of it. Rose on the other hand, would have probably gone on for a while. I also like Martha barking orders at The Daleks, just something about her absolute confidence, made me smile.

    I agree with Map, considering the hints in this episode, I'd say there's going to be a Doctor, Thay, Jast and Caan vs Human Sec all out battle in the next ep, with the residents of Hooverville in the crossfire
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    I liked this episode well enough although I'm not sure I want to see Animal Farm every week. The accents? Well, I'm not American so I didn't find them too grating. Tellulah's was probably the most obviously put on...

    All those things aside, I thought this was a compelling episode. Slow moving but not inappropriately so. I liked the Depression backdrop and as someone else has said, there are a lot of classic Who elements to it. I'm especially glad to see them taking the Daleks to a different level because after seeing last week's preview I was thinking... "Eeeuw... not another Dalek ep. Die already." But the idea of them "evolving" is interesting.

    I'm really liking S3 so far.
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    I thought it was a pretty good episode but I agree that the Daleks are starting to lose their impact from overuse. As far as the accents go, some of them were quite good but when they were bad....ooh boy were they bad. Of course most Americans couldn't do a convincing British accent to save their lives so I shouldn't say anything.

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    It's that whole Brooklyn accent thing. It always sounds fake and cheesy, even when Americans are doing it. Farm Boy wasn't too bad and the Mayor of Hooverville was okay, but Tallulah (or however it's spelled) was awful... which kinda matched her character, actually. Very over done. Ditto the Architect and the rest of 'em.

    Not quite sure what to make of the ep yet. It was a little disjointed in places but I still liked it. The "Human Dalek" is kinda icky and I'm not sure I like the look of it. Too much human, not enough Dalek, maybe.

    Still loving Martha. Loved her ordering the Daleks around. "Report!" hee!

    One thing that confused me, though, is how come the intelligence scan didn't pick up the fact that she's a time traveler? I suppose it's one of those things that you have to be looking for in order to pick up on it, but it still seemed a little ood odd.

    I agree that the Daleks are being overplayed, though. We had them early in S27 and then in the finale, we had them in the S28 finale, we've got them again now and they're probably going to put in an appearance later this season... C'mon, I know Daleks are one of the uber-baddies, but that doesn't mean we have to run into them all the time.

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    Personally their should be the very last time we see them, for at least ten years.


    They getting boring, that do not look interesting, and some of the shots of them seemed to unreal, and poorly done, compare to past epidsodes.


    Part from that it was alright, the accents, we just call even shall we, when American shows/films start making sure they have descent english accent we can make our sure how have descent american accent.

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    You know I am beginning to think I am on a completely different page to the rest of the Doctor Who fans on GW.

    I loved this! Made all the better as it isn't being rushed (2 parter).

    I don't think you can over-use The Daleks, they are Doctor Who as much as Darth Vader is Star Wars *shrugs* maybe why they are being "used" could be better realised in these episodes, but I have thought that with almost all of the Classic episodes featuring The Daleks without Davros to me it was Davros that made the episodes what they were.

    The Daleks have always been his creatures, his slaves even, they never should have been able to go forth and be their own race (plan or no plan) and I am not a fan of the Cult and I also think Davros and The Doctor had a weird but interesting relationship, you just cannot have a relationship with a Dalek, they are not made that way, so ultimately you end up with a Dalek ranting about supreme beings and a Doctor just trying to kill them.

    All that aside.

    I liked the location, the accents were believable in the way that accents never are on TV and I also liked the three stories coming together it felt so much like a Classic Who episode that when the big reveal happened I didn't cringe at the very questionable make up job it was like watching "The brain of Morbius" again! lol

    I am doubtful about the experiments, The Daleks should prefer death over (what?) melding their DNA with humans, humans are nothing but scum to The Daleks. I hope next week we find out what is really going on as that will not sit well with me, I mean all the races and they choose the one they hate the most, why? Just because we survive? I bet the rats survive too why not use them.

    Did others pick up on the shielding of the Dalek missing? I assume that is what the panelling is made of; so who or what are they summoning? Or is the plan to destroy Earth after they take all the intelligent people, and if it is intelligence they want why on earth did they start with Americans!!! *runs away*

    Down side.

    Really annoyed with the Martha TimeLord!Crush. I did like the line: "he likes musical theatre".

    Also the pigs? That made zero sense to me, why not just use people? Resources being what they are I don't see why they needed to go the extra mile and waste time and effort "transforming" them into pig slaves.

    While not perfect, this is IMHO the best one of series 29 so far; but I will wait until next week to make my mind up completely. There are just too many unanswered questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willow'sCat View Post
    Also the pigs? That made zero sense to me, why not just use people? Resources being what they are I don't see why they needed to go the extra mile and waste time and effort "transforming" them into pig slaves.
    Yes, I thought the same. Just didn't see the point of them really. Perhaps we'll learn a bit more next week.

    I thought this episode took a while to get going. My mind wandered off a few times 'cos I got a bit bored! Got better toward the end though.

    Intriguing idea to have the Daleks evolve. I hope they do. I just can't get past that '60's' look they still have, even though they've been 'whizzed' up a bit!

    It'll be interesting to see where they go with this.


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    ^^ I liked it... I like the set up and I thought DT was particularly good. In fact, he's been great the last few episodes.
    The accents... meh... I don't care... I don't know any better... Apparently most of the actors were American anyway. Frank, the farm boy, Diagonas and Lazslo are Americans apparently.
    The running around along corridors sewer tunnels reminded me of classic Who...
    The makeshift Who lab was cool... it's been a while since the Doctor was in scientist mode.

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    Hmmn, main problem for me was that I was distracted by some of the accents and a lot of the acting.

    The pig-men extras were too lethargic and apathetic to make proper henchmen, they needed to put a bit more effort into their lumbering down tunnels intimidating the humans shtick.
    Foreman guy should've been screaming and gibbering in terror, not just standing there being ever-so-lightly restrained by a couple of half-asleep goons and asking intelligent and pertinent questions that cleverly helped to advance the plot.
    What is it with the animal masks, first rhinos now pigs. And why pigs? Unless that bit will be explained next week.
    And the guys on top of the Empire State looked exactly like they were farting about in a studio with the wind machine on medium. Come on, the fella's wobbly cap even managed to stay on in a 'howling gale'!
    The make-up job on the Dalek-human hybrid was awful. (On the other hand, in the classic Who tradition so maybe not so bad.)

    On the upside, it was nice to get out of London for a change.
    I'm not tired of the Daleks - yet. But it's getting close.
    And Martha is great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commander Ivanova View Post
    The make-up job on the Dalek-human hybrid was awful. (On the other hand, in the classic Who tradition so maybe not so bad.)
    I was thinking Scaroni from The City of Death.

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    Forgot to say the overt shipping of Martha and the Doc, especially in the media (what did anyone else think of the TV ads?), is my least favorite aspect of the current series. Please don't ship the Doctor (unless it's with Cap'n Jack of course )
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