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    Visit the Episode GuideLOST SEASON THREE
    CATCH-22
    EPISODE NUMBER - 317

    After seeing a flash of Charlie dying in the jungle, Desmond risks his new friend's life by leading him, Jin, and Hurley on a mission to find a visitor he believes is on her way. Kate faces her conflicted feelings when she sees Jack and Juliet together.

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    Wait...why would old-girlfriend lady have a picture of Desmond and Penny in her backpack?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paine View Post
    Wait...why would old-girlfriend lady have a picture of Desmond and Penny in her backpack?
    Maybe she works for Penny and has the pic to identify Desmond.

    I love all the Desmond eppys, and I figured he would save Charlie at the last minute, but it was interesting how they talked about "tests of faith". Maybe to put a stop to Charlie's "deaths", Desmond really does have to just let it happen, and Charlie won't die at all.

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    the lady in the parachute didn't look familiar to me. I think its just someone Penny sent.

    the most important thing is that someone from the outside was able to find the island - making ben a liar.

    but a great episode, and great use of the Catch22 concept. you have to wonder if desmond doesn't save charlie - will the person in the parachute be Penny? but since he did save charlie things changed and it wasn't Pen.

    however, i don't think that Pen would ever come herself. I always imagined she'd send a crew. sucks that the lady had to ditch the chopper though.

    and did anyone else notice the lady in the picture on the monk's desk was the old lady from the jewelry store...


    edit: oh and the catch 22 book was in portuguese - which is the same language the dudes in the igloo monitoring station were speaking.

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    I think that, as stated above, the lady found in the jungle works for penny, looking for Desmond. I think that it was at the end of Season 2 when they didn't push the button and the energy/magnetic blast was sent out. Then there was the clip when Penny had detected that again. This leads me to believe that she did her research and found that the same blast happened when the plain he was on "dissapeared". This would make her keep looking for the signal/energy that she found had crashed the plain. Thus, when they didn't push the button a second time, she pinpointed their location.
    Through that information, penny may put all of her resources into finding him.

    Also, this new lady on the island may give some information about the outside world, and what they know/are trying to do to save them. This could change the way that we are acting. If they are still looking, they may try to set up a special signal to contact them. Else if they have given up (more likely) they will start to become braver, and stronger against the others.

    Just a theory

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    also if people know how to find the island now, this is in direct opposition to The Others - and their ideas that no one can find the island, and that no one can know they are there.
    so this is possible the catalyst for the war that is brewing between the two groups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stargateanubis14 View Post
    I think that, as stated above, the lady found in the jungle works for penny, looking for Desmond. I think that it was at the end of Season 2 when they didn't push the button and the energy/magnetic blast was sent out. Then there was the clip when Penny had detected that again. This leads me to believe that she did her research and found that the same blast happened when the plain he was on "dissapeared". This would make her keep looking for the signal/energy that she found had crashed the plain. Thus, when they didn't push the button a second time, she pinpointed their location.
    Through that information, penny may put all of her resources into finding him.

    Also, this new lady on the island may give some information about the outside world, and what they know/are trying to do to save them. This could change the way that we are acting. If they are still looking, they may try to set up a special signal to contact them. Else if they have given up (more likely) they will start to become braver, and stronger against the others.

    Just a theory
    Um, Didn't Desmond crash his boat on the island? I don't remember him crashing in a plane.

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    Oops...my mistake.
    But it could be the same way with the boat. Shortly after he disapeared/reported missing, he didn't push the button.

    (* i can't believe i made a mistake like that! *)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmw326 View Post
    Um, Didn't Desmond crash his boat on the island? I don't remember him crashing in a plane.
    Yep. Desmond was in the process of sailing around the world, on a boat formerly owned by Libby's dead husband, when he got "lost".

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    Anyone else realize Desmond's been on the island for 3 years? Which of the others do we know that's done this? Juliette. Maybe something they did to allow the submarine through caused Desmond to crash on the island.

    Wait...why would old-girlfriend lady have a picture of Desmond and Penny in her backpack?
    Paine, i don't believe that was Ruth... Ruth had a lighter-skin color, if i remember correctly...

    BUT, obviously this lady knows Desmond, for the only thing she said was "Desmond."

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    ok this ep was weeeeeird first it scared the something outta me cause of the beginning and well who was that woman in the end???

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    Another good ep. Hurley continues to rock as Locke's successor

    Nothing is ever as it first appears on this island. Everyone's assuming that Penny sent this woman after Desmond, but what if she's actually been sent there by other interested parties? What if Penny's father (or the woman from the jewelry store, or the photographer who took the picture, or, heck, maybe even the head monk?) gave the parachutist that photo so that she could identify Desmond and see to it that he never <insert sinister music> leaves?

    Who else, off island, is aware of the incident at the (former) hatch? What might they be planning to do about it?

    Oh, and, B plot: I liked the whole Jack and James bonding over ping pong thing, and how James reacted to discovering why he got good... er... stuff... last night. Poor James!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morbo View Post
    the lady in the parachute didn't look familiar to me. I think its just someone Penny sent.

    the most important thing is that someone from the outside was able to find the island - making ben a liar.

    but a great episode, and great use of the Catch22 concept. you have to wonder if desmond doesn't save charlie - will the person in the parachute be Penny? but since he did save charlie things changed and it wasn't Pen.

    however, i don't think that Pen would ever come herself. I always imagined she'd send a crew. sucks that the lady had to ditch the chopper though.

    and did anyone else notice the lady in the picture on the monk's desk was the old lady from the jewelry store...


    edit: oh and the catch 22 book was in portuguese - which is the same language the dudes in the igloo monitoring station were speaking.
    Jeez Morbo, you caught a lot of stuff that I missed. Thanks for connecting the pieces a little bit.

    Overall, I thought it was a pretty good Desmond episode and I especially liked the cliffhanger with "Naomi".

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    Great stuff again. Had me glued to the screen from start to finish...

    Also actually took me back to the first season where I would get angry at the tv when the episode ended! I want more godammit!

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    One thing that i can't figure out is why they would add some one from the outside? The only thing i can think of is that she will bring some new information to the island. Maybe something about what the island is actually for? If the person looking for Desmond(if that's why she was there) can find the island, then they would probably do some research on it too. They may find out why the "others" were sent there (since we can't really trust anything the "others" say)

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    Desmond. Surely the best character on Lost. I have to say, I did think that he would save Charlie, it would change things and that "Penny" would be his "other path" but that doesn't take anything away from another fantastic episode.

    Hehe... "It's a grand old team to play for" being sung by Desmond was awesome. I love that there's subtle things I can fully understand these days rather than a reference to an american football team (or whatever) that I only know in passing. I also love that the writers are making an effort to put them in.
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    Hey all


    Well it was a good episode but still Desmond a celtic fan how could I have not seen that coming he was a good character too why couldn't they made him a Partick Thistle or Clyde fan thats really annoyed me making him a Celtic fan out of all the teams in Scotland they had to pick one where he supports one side of one of the biggest rivalry's known to sport and it was the wrong side Just kidding I'm not sectarian in any way but come on they had to rub it in our faces with that song....


    Anyway enough of that... The new person, I still don't get how they found the island and if we look back to the end of season 2 where those 2 guys phoned Penny from the Antarctic maybe thats connected somehow but how would they find the Island from there? Anyway It was a good episode and it gave us lots of new questions we are now asking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tired_1 View Post
    season 2 where those 2 guys phoned Penny from the Antarctic maybe thats connected somehow but how would they find the Island from there?
    I do belive they were up on a mountain top? they registered the emp that went up into the sky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cremu View Post
    I do belive they were up on a mountain top? they registered the emp that went up into the sky.
    I thought they were at the Antarctic that let them detect the EMP because of the distance between the island and them.



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    It could be either place it was snowy and i don't think anyone really paid that much attention to the place just to the fact someone had discovered the EMP. Do you think the plane that brought her there will come back or do you think that she might have a extra battery for her satellite phone that inconveniently was dead.

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