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    Series 3/29 Finale Theory-Spoilers

    Spoilers. Enter at your own risk.



    If the rumors of the Master, Jack, and Saxon are true, the show may have a great surprise in store for us:

    Jack is the Master. (No, I haven't lost my mind . . . lately.)

    Saxon has been connected to an anogram (I can't spell.) spelling out Master No. 6, leading many people to suspect that the Master will be in Series 3/29 and that he will be in the finale. We also know that Jack is in the last 2-3 episodes of the series.

    We have seen past regenerations go badly with the Doctor once losing his memory. Jack has no recollection of his past, but the Doctor isn't thrilled with him at first in 1/27 and may know him. Jack easily operates the Tardis, and Rose describes him as like the Doctor, just with dating and dancing in The Empty Child.

    I haven't seen the end of Torchwood Series 1, so I could be way off, but I wonder if Jack won't become the Master with time. If so, Torchwood would become a darker Doctor Who, as it claims, with Jack gathering technology and trying to rebuild his power base. One show encourages the Doctor as the hero while the other supports Jack, the villain.

    Any other theories?
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    Just one thing, Jack DOES remember his past, he's only missing two years of it, but he remembers everything from before that.
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      #3
      although that would be quite cool if it were true the master didnt have any regenerations left which was the driving force behind his character in the old series.
      and he was definitely very dead at the end of the movie, i'll be very interested to see how they bring him back.
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        #4
        LOL! Oh yeah Jack is The Master!

        What?

        That is as likely as Jack being Davros!

        I know Doctor Who can go in some odd directions plot wise *being really kind there* but this would be just stupid. It makes no sense. The Master is inherently *evil* Jack is not, Jack at worst is a conman. He maybe missing a couple of years but he would need to be missing a heart (literally) a T.A.R.D.I.S (unless that was his ship) and The Doctor would have to be so fooled as to not have been able to sense that he was a Timelord.

        Also The Doctor only lost his memory for short periods of time, there is nothing to say that is a Timelord thing *as far as I know* it may just be a Doctor thing.

        And even if Jack has been really good at hiding who he really is, he has had ample opportunity to kill The Doctor his arch enemy why hasn't he? Never hesitated before to try and kill him. And that moment

        Spoilers Torchwood series one
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        when Jack is holding The Doctor's hand well that alone tells me he is not The Master.


        I am willing to believe The Master is alive, and has a new body but for it to be Jack... that would be so wrong in so many ways.

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          #5
          I'm still not sure how to get beyond the fact that the Master would have regenerated at the end of series 1, instead of dying and needing Rose to bring him back to life.


          ...and if it's because he's out of regenerations, wouldn't be be further down the line then #6?

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            #6
            Yes he would, but he would be the sixth incarnation of the master that we have seen on screen.
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              #7
              Hmmm. Interesting ideas all.

              I also wonder if the Master rumors are merely a false alarm. On Outpost Gallifrey, a poster mentioned that Master rumors started last year when the villian from the Sarah Jane episode was cast.

              Could it be another rumor to throw everyone off track? Everyone was too busy chasing master rumors to notice that Sarah Jane was back last year.
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                #8
                Originally posted by The Signal View Post
                Yes he would, but he would be the sixth incarnation of the master that we have seen on screen.
                Oh, good point.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by MasySyma View Post
                  Hmmm. Interesting ideas all.

                  I also wonder if the Master rumors are merely a false alarm. On Outpost Gallifrey, a poster mentioned that Master rumors started last year when the villian from the Sarah Jane episode was cast.

                  Could it be another rumor to throw everyone off track? Everyone was too busy chasing master rumors to notice that Sarah Jane was back last year.
                  I'd have agreed, but I doubt RTD and co. can resist the temptation. They couldn'yt with the Daleks, Cybermen, adn well, Daleks vs. Cybermen
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by The Signal View Post
                    Yes he would, but he would be the sixth incarnation of the master that we have seen on screen.


                    Ok, I have another question now. What is the difference between an incarnation and a regeneration? I don't know the Master's history yet.
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                      #11
                      Same thing, different term. Technically I suppose you could call "regeneration" the process of changing bodies, and a new"incarnation" as the end result of regeneration. For example, the Doctor, in his ninth incarnation, played by CE, regenerated into the tenth incarnation of the Doctor, played by DT.
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                        #12
                        Yes and No. The Master hasn't actually regenerated in the Doctor Whoverse as far as I'm aware.

                        If I'm right, his first appearance saw him in his last regeneration, then he got all burnt, then found a way to posess someone elses body, and then for Doctor Who the movie, did the same again...

                        If I'm wrong please correct me, but the Master has had bodies that weren't natural regenerations.


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                          #13
                          Thank you for the clarification.

                          So my theory, while most likely entirely wrong, remains remotely (1-1,000,000,000) possible.
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                          "And I thought the end of the world couldn't get any worse" Ianto-Torchwood

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                            #14
                            So when does the third season starts?
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                              #15
                              pretty sure the new season starts on the 31st of this month.


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