asgard or wraith?

[daniejam]

who would win in a fight 10 asgard vessels vs 10 wraith hives with their crusers and darts?

[The Doctor]

Definitely Asgard. They have superior weapons and shielding. No contest really...

[The Great Lord Baal]

easily asgard superior fire power sheilds and manouverability

[wise one]

with a oniel or the beliskner they could win in minutes

[Buba uognarf]

with a oniel or the beliskner they could win in minutes

no, with an Oneill they could win....with a beliskner or daniel jackson they'd lose neither can take on a hive and 3 cruisers...

[daniejam]

no, with an Oneill they could win....with a beliskner or daniel jackson they'd lose neither can take on a hive and 3 cruisers...

I dont know where you get your information, but none of us actually know just how powerful asguard weapons are, for all we know they could be useless against the wraith.

[Buba uognarf]

I dont know where you get your information, but none of us actually know just how powerful asguard weapons are, for all we know they could be useless against the wraith.

what are you talking about?!? for starters there are people on this thread making claims that outdated weaker asgard ships could take down the Wraith i'm only saying the Asgards most power warship the pinacle of their technology is superior to the Wraith ships which probably aren't even the best they could come up with...

The Asgard weapons are powerful...New Order 6 shots from an Oneill are able to blow a replicator ship to pieces pretty darn strong i think they'd be less effective against the Wraith unless they're weapons are many times stronger which seems unlikely plus hives are about 3-5 times larger than Oneills...

It wouldn't be easy but the Asgard would win imo against the Hives but factoring in 30 cruiser escorts which themelves have roughly half the fire power of a hive and it would be close

[belistner]

no, with an Oneill they could win....with a beliskner or daniel jackson they'd lose neither can take on a hive and 3 cruisers...

where do u come up with this .
the old beliskner class can beat the crap out of a hatak no problem (bar anubis's).the wraith hives dont use shields they wouldn't stand a chance against the beliskner . and darts wouldn't do a lot to stop the asguard weapons like they do against our nukes .
and as far as we know the daniel jackson is the newest model of ship the asguard have made .
even though it's only a science vessel it's pretty safe to say it's up there with the oniell's .
it would probably not be made from all the same stuff as the oniell's but at the least it would have the latest shields and weapons .

anyway the aguard would own the wraith one on one no matter what ship they were using .
plus cruisers dont really count as they tend to run as soon as the hive falls .

[HAL]

didnt the powers that be


Ie the writers of the shows say the Asguard would win 1-1 battles?

[Buba uognarf]

where do u come up with this .
the old beliskner class can beat the crap out of a hatak no problem (bar anubis's).the wraith hives dont use shields they wouldn't stand a chance against the beliskner . and darts wouldn't do a lot to stop the asguard weapons like they do against our nukes .
and as far as we know the daniel jackson is the newest model of ship the asguard have made .
even though it's only a science vessel it's pretty safe to say it's up there with the oniell's .
it would probably not be made from all the same stuff as the oniell's but at the least it would have the latest shields and weapons .

anyway the aguard would own the wraith one on one no matter what ship they were using .
plus cruisers dont really count as they tend to run as soon as the hive falls .

A hiveship is many times larger than all Asgard vessels and has dozens of meters of armor it would own a Beliskner. The Beliskner is outdated it couldn't stop 2 anubis ha'tak i think a Hive would crush 2 Anubis ha'tak pretty easily...

The promethus shields could withstand atleast a minute of fire from Anubis's supership when they were nearly depleted and yet a Beliskner who would have stronger shields can't even beat 2 of Anubis's normal Ha'taks in that time...

The shields on the Beliskner our outdated even compared to Deadalus shields (shown by colour) and the fact that Ha'tak weapons can drain them means that a Hive and 3 cruisers are gonna stomp on it...

The shear size and armor on Hives is gonna mean that the Beliskners weapons aren't going to be as effective as you think especially when said weapons were unable to affect Anubis's shields. Obviously darts are't going to be trying to stop asgard weapon fire lol

even if it could win 1 on 1 the cruiser would finish it off...

The daniel jackson is not a warship so it's not going to be well armed it may be able to take down a hive but not the cruisers as well...

Cruisers do count! the thread includes escorts and as long as they have adequet numbers i don't see them running they only ran from the deadalus because they at that time had no defense against the beaming...

and this thread isn't one on one it's one on four....1 asgard ship vs 1 hive and 3 cruisers + darts

bar the Oneill the Wraith win and even then it's a close call imo

[Integrabyte]

Why are we even thinking to compare the Wraith to races less advanced than the "Ancients"? I mean the Ancients were better one on one but they lost because they were outnumbered. Same thing will happen to the Asgard. The SG teams are the only "inferior" race to beat the Wraith. Why? Because it is a film . Nobody finds it funny how we are always inferior to all races yet we always beat up everyone?


L.E. Buba, we are talking about ships more powerfull than the one Thor had when he was captured. Freyr comes with 3 Asgard vessels with upgraded shields and firepower.

[belistner]

The shields on the Beliskner our outdated even compared to Deadalus shields (shown by colour) and the fact that Ha'tak weapons can drain them means that a Hive and 3 cruisers are gonna stomp on it...

what's the colour of the shield got to do with the strenth of it ?
yes a hatak can drain the beliskner shield but and this is a big but they were no ordinary hataks the shields and weapons were upgraded using ancient knowledge .
the belisnker class weapon as far as i can tell are on par with the tollon ion cannons . ie one or two shots would wipe out a standard hatak .

The shear size and armor on Hives is gonna mean that the Beliskners weapons aren't going to be as effective as you think especially when said weapons were unable to affect Anubis's shields. Obviously darts are't going to be trying to stop asgard weapon fire lol

i'll say again anubis's shields were of ancient design there is no wonder the asguard couldn't defeat them .
and again the hive's dont have shields and from what wev'e seen(the hive) they are not that armoured .
in the hive there were two firing on each other and neither lasted longer than a minute .
so as far as i can see there is no way a hive would be able to drain the shields on a beliskner before it gets destroyed .

Cruisers do count! the thread includes escorts and as long as they have adequet numbers i don't see them running they only ran from the deadalus because they at that time had no defense against the beaming...

i think theyd run when the hive falls but if the cruisers didn't run . with less armour than the hive they wouldn't be able to take more than one shot each even from a beliskner .

[Buba uognarf]

what's the colour of the shield got to do with the strenth of it ?
yes a hatak can drain the beliskner shield but and this is a big but they were no ordinary hataks the shields and weapons were upgraded using ancient knowledge .
the belisnker class weapon as far as i can tell are on par with the tollon ion cannons . ie one or two shots would wipe out a standard hatak .

haven't you noticed how colour seems to determain the strength or the advancement of shields in SG? I've already pointed out that the Ha'tak weapons can't be that strong when you compare them to the time Anubis's flagship was attacking the Promethus, and they were still able to beat the Beliskner....the Hives drain the superior deadalus shields from full power in a few minutes were it takes a minute of fire from Anubis to bring down the shields of an already greatly weakened promethus...

i'll say again anubis's shields were of ancient design there is no wonder the asguard couldn't defeat them .
and again the hive's dont have shields and from what wev'e seen(the hive) they are not that armoured .
in the hive there were two firing on each other and neither lasted longer than a minute .
so as far as i can see there is no way a hive would be able to drain the shields on a beliskner before it gets destroyed .

They weren't of ancient design they were simply enhanced Goa'uld shields and the fact that the other goa'uld could fight a fairly successful campaign against him even with his advanced shields means they can't be that strong...

They are very armored it's just that Wraith weapons are very powerful and with 3 additional cruiser the beliskner is going to go down quickly...

i think theyd run when the hive falls but if the cruisers didn't run . with less armour than the hive they wouldn't be able to take more than one shot each even from a beliskner .

Bear in mind there is more than 1 hive here this is fleet on fleet, Cruisers would circle the Beliskner and pound it will the Hive takes the main fire...a single beliskner can't take on a hive and it's escort proven by the fact it can't take on 2 ha'tak (and i realise they were anubis enhanced ones)

[Integrabyte]

They weren't of ancient design they were simply enhanced Goa'uld shields and the fact that the other goa'uld could fight a fairly successful campaign against him even with his advanced shields means they can't be that strong...

I beg to differ. No Goa'uld technology was advanced enought to eliminate any Asgard ship. The shields, the weapon that destroyed Abydos, and the device that linked Thor to the ship were of Ancient design. You recall Anubis is caught between two planes of existence? He was ascended and he had access to some of the Ancient knowledge. Why do you think he decimated the Goa'uld in such a short period of time?

Coming back to the topic...

We are comparing

Ships of the Beliskner class are powered by a series of four neutrino ion generators, possess two rear thrusters for propulsion, and utilize a forward-mounted deceleration drive to control planetary reentry. The ships possesses a series of energy dampening fields that contain and negate the potential damage caused by internal explosions. Ships of the Beliskner class are equipped with defensive energy shield systems. There is no quick, easy method with which to disable or destroy them. The ships mount a number of high-energy weapon systems though the Asgard typically use a single forward firing cannon. A single Asgard ship is more than a match for several standard Goa'uld Ha'tak motherships, although warships modified with Ancient technology by Anubis have been known to pose a greater threat.

vs.

A Wraith Hive-Ship has a large number of weapon ports stationed across the exterior of the ship. These ports rapidly fire blue energy pulses which are powerful enough to destroy another Hive-Ship after several hits, working in concert with each other, Hive-Ships are able to bring down the Asgard designed shields of the Daedalus in less than a minute. The ship does not appear to have any point defence weapons to fight off smaller ships such as F302s. However the Wraith Dart has been shown to defend the hive from incoming fire.

Basically we are comparing apples with oranges. As soon as we compare an upgraded Asgard vessel with both the Ancient technology upgraded Goa'uld Vessel and a Wraith Hive ship things will change. Proof? Anubis runs like a coward when Freyr comes with 3 O'Neill ships...

The O'Neill class is later mass-produced and serves as the main warship of the Asgard, replacing the Beliskner-class cruiser. Three of them are used to scare away Anubis when he threatens to kill SG-1 as well as the Asgard scientist Heimdall. Thor came in an O'Neill ship to ask SG-1's help to defeat the Replicators. When the Replicators try to attack the new Asgard homeworld Orilla, the Asgard dispatch six O'Neill-class ship to destroy the arriving Replicator ship. The six ships are able to destroy the Replicator ship when it exits hyperspace but they can't stop the Replicator blocks from raining down onto the planet.

The O'Neill class has better shields than the Daedalus. We need to take in consideration that even though the asgard were our friends they were reluctant to share technology. I highly doubt they gave us their best shields and their best intergalactic hyperdrive.

The Daedalus is not as fragile as it seems. It stood in front of the sun with a ZPM powering its shields and saved the whole Lantea planet. I think that was more than any Wraith Hive Ship can do. Imagine a fully working Aurora ship with a ZPM powering its shields or the O'Neill class ship with a ZPM powering its shields. That would kneel Wraith.

We need to be patient. Sg1 started like this too against the Goa'uld. They were "out of date" but slowly came into play. In S4 and S5 we will see Hives destroyed due to new weapons or maybe asgard intervention.

Mate this thread is a waste of time, because at the end of the day both Asgard, O'Neill class, and Ancient ships, Aurora, Orion, can take a Hive down one on one. Wraith are aware of this that is why they never attack anything ancient related without bring minimum 3 hives.

[Ouroboros]

10 Wraith hives with cruisers and Darts?

If we take 3 as the average number of cruisers to escort a hive that's 40 Wraith capships vs only 10 Asguard ones.

The Asguard have a tech advantage but not one big enough to overcome 4 on one odds, and that's not even counting the darts. The shorter grey guys die, and probably pretty quickly to.