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    #16
    Well, remember, Mikhail did say that, apart from him being a member of Dharma, everything about his story was true. Assuming he's not lying, of course...

    It seems pretty clear to me that the Dharma Initiative no longer exists. All the stations and outposts we've seen are stocked with outdated equipment, and most of them have fallen into disrepair. However, Ben and possibly Juliette still have some kind of contact with the outside world, and food deliveries keep happening on some automated schedule, which raises more questions.

    My theory continues to be that the Others are descended from Dharma Initiative test subjects, who rebelled and forced the project to be shut down. Ben's little town in the mountains seems to be a brand new experiment: some sort of ideal community, where the general populace does not have knowledge of the outside world and are just allowed to develop in a vacuum at the behest of some outside agency. I don't think it's Dharma conducting the experiment, but some kind of successor entity (perhaps the Hanso Foundation). However, it seems that this experimental society is dying; this is why they kidnap castaways, and this is why they brought a fertility specialist to the Island. Ben's actions and knowledge of the outside world seems to imply that he knows his community is an experiment, and the fact that Ethan was allowed to leave the Island to look for Juliette may imply that as well. The fact that the Others seem to be able to leave the Island if they want to further implies that they DON'T want to, that they simply believe there's nothing worth seeing beyond their perfect community. It remains to be seen if Ben is complicit in maintaining the facade, or if he genuinely has the best interests of his community at heart.

    As for the possibility of Sayid lying to woman in order to escape, I don't think he was. Once again, it's a case of getting to know a character before we knew all the details of their backstory, so that we want to believe they aren't capable of such a horrible thing. I think he DID torture her, and I think he genuinely did regret it. Remember, Sayid was a patriot; he loved his country and believed that he was working for the greater good by interrogating enemies of the state. He knows otherwise now, but that doesn't mean he wasn't a monster once.
    Through Life's dull road, so dim and dirty
    I have dragged to three-and-thirty.
    What have these years left to me?
    Nothing, except thirty-three.

    - Lord Byron

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      #17
      Yep... good ep again! Not quite up there with Desmond's time travel adventure but certainly among the best episodes this season

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        #18
        Good ep, loks of action and more info on Syiad. Other than that an okay ep. Locke is gonna get his butt kicked if he messes another thing up.

        But the station was known as "The Flame". The fact that the computer had a pre-recorded message saying the dish did not work and the sonar didn't either makes me thing that neither never worked. I think that the "Flame" was an emergency outpost to be used by the Dharma people to send a SOS to the mainland. But Dharma didn't want witnesses to their experiments and rigged the place to blow when 77 was entered. They would be able to detect the sudden thermal burst via satellite and know that the experiment failed. Possibly to know that they have to erradicate life on the island or just stop sending supply ships.

        The previews for next week look interesting. Looks like they find "The Line" and push the Russian guy through to test it. Doesn't look like it was pretty.

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          #19
          Miss Klugh

          Other than that, this episode was pretty great. Really loved the last flashback scene, very powerful stuff. Probably my favourite Sayid episode yet, and favourite of the season since we finally seem to be getting somewhere.

          Originally posted by Morbo
          I'll also be accepting apologies from everyone who said Lost was boring and going no where.
          That's most of you.
          Except, Lost was boring and was going no where for most of season 3 and the most of the latter half of 2, imo. However it's episodes like this and "Flashes Before Your Eyes" that set the road straight again, though there are generally the duds inbetween.
          Spoiler:
          Next week is Claire's though and her episodes have been two of the best, so that should be good


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            #20
            Originally posted by mizzoueng
            My theory continues to be that the Others are descended from Dharma Initiative test subjects, who rebelled and forced the project to be shut down.
            Assuming what patchy said was true, he said the "hostiles" had been there long before Dharma, implying that they couldn't be. Although, saying that, it all hinges on what he said to be true, which i guess we'll not find out for a while. Still i look forward to the wait. At least there's been no Rose and Bernard episodes recently to slow things right down.

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              #21
              Great episode.

              My only major gripe with it though is that I'm assuming that Sayid did not tell Locke that the place was rigged with C4. That would have been the first thing I'd have done. I would hope that if Locke would have known that fact he would not have entered 77. So it makes me wonder if he knew or not...and if he did, why did he chance it?
              IMO always implied.

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                #22
                Maybe the Hostiles (or "the Others") are like the Ancients from stargate... (1)The ancients have been around longer than earthlings, and the hostiles have been around longer than Dharma. (2) The ancients kinda live out of our time, and sometimes it seems that this island (which is basically controlled by the Hostiles) is out of our time. (3) The Ancients won't give out enough information so we understand, and the Hostiles do basically the same thing...
                Ok, so that was mostly jokingly, but, hey, maybe the writers like Stargate and needed a good filler plot, and took a small idea from Stargate...

                Anyway.
                That episode was quite good, I loved how Hurley completely destroyed Sawyer in ping pong! I was positive it'd be Sun or Jin, but, it wasn't. I will miss Sawyer's names... I know he only has to do it for a week, but if they concentrate on it in the next few eps, i think i'll scream.
                My conclusion: Locke is an idiot. I mean, think about it, Dharma wanted to keep stuff away from the hostiles, so, of course there'd be some sort of self-destruct in there... Besides, with Locke's confidence at the end there, "I know why you didn't want me to beat that game." He seemed as if he expected that explosion to occur....

                Is it just me, or does Locke seem obsessed with pushing buttons?
                haha! i totally agree with that... now, pushing 77 into every computer will be his destiny.

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by g8torgurl View Post
                  My conclusion: Locke is an idiot. I mean, think about it, Dharma wanted to keep stuff away from the hostiles, so, of course there'd be some sort of self-destruct in there... Besides, with Locke's confidence at the end there, "I know why you didn't want me to beat that game." He seemed as if he expected that explosion to occur....
                  To be fair, one would logically assume that Dharma would send aid or something, or at least do something to help them. Locke obvisouly underestimated how important the work of Dharma was in the way that they'd rather blow up the only (?) means of communicating with the outside world rather than let it fall into the hands of someone else...

                  Do you think patchy wanted him to blow it up? Assuming they know Locke, they know he has a tendency to fight, even when the fight is seemingly impossible. ("Don't tell me what i can't do") So they'd tell him what not to do so that he does it and... potentially... fragments... the group? I really have no idea, but i'm really looking forward to finding out.

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Morbo View Post
                    I'll also be accepting apologies from everyone who said Lost was boring and going no where.
                    That's most of you.
                    Not me!

                    Great episode, although the flashbacks seemed a bit pointless. Not really sure what the relevance was to the island stuff.

                    We got a couple of small answers, but some more questions, too. Which, unlike a lot of people, I'm happy with. I enjoy it when I have no idea what's going on on this show.

                    "Okay, a) it was my stuff when I took it, and b) who the hell are you?"

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                      #25
                      Fantastic episode. ***1/2 from me.

                      My only gripe with the episode being that the flashback plot was extremely weak.
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                        #26
                        It was a pretty good episode. A Sayid episode is usually excellent, Naveen knows how to squeeze character out of his lines.

                        Originally posted by Thermoneculearboy
                        My theory continues to be that the Others are descended from Dharma Initiative test subjects, who rebelled and forced the project to be shut down. Ben's little town in the mountains seems to be a brand new experiment: some sort of ideal community, where the general populace does not have knowledge of the outside world and are just allowed to develop in a vacuum at the behest of some outside agency. I don't think it's Dharma conducting the experiment, but some kind of successor entity (perhaps the Hanso Foundation). However, it seems that this experimental society is dying; this is why they kidnap castaways, and this is why they brought a fertility specialist to the Island. Ben's actions and knowledge of the outside world seems to imply that he knows his community is an experiment, and the fact that Ethan was allowed to leave the Island to look for Juliette may imply that as well. The fact that the Others seem to be able to leave the Island if they want to further implies that they DON'T want to, that they simply believe there's nothing worth seeing beyond their perfect community. It remains to be seen if Ben is complicit in maintaining the facade, or if he genuinely has the best interests of his community at heart.
                        I think this is by far one of the best theories I've ever heard. It would seem very plausible, given, like you said, the state of disrepair with the old Dharma stations, Gale's little on-island society, etc. It's kind of tiresome, though, for all these great theories to come about, and all we mostly get from the show are more relationship story-lines...vauge hints as to some bigger arc happening.

                        Maybe I'm just too used to those anagram names from Agatha Christie books that betray whodunit way back in the 3rd chapter.
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                          #27
                          Great episode. Loved the action in the flame station with Patchie. Ha, ha, Mrs Klugh.

                          Locke is one of my favorite characters but he seemed rather dim in this episode. He just couldn't resist the chess game, so much so that he let the Russian get free.

                          I don't think Locke knew about the C4, though.


                          Can't wait to see what they do with the Russian.


                          Hope we eventually learn more about this so-called purge that occurred.

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                            #28
                            How dare you blame John Locke.Locke is my ally who is SPECIAL.
                            "I have never understood why it should be necessary to become irrational in order to prove that you care... or why it should be necessary to prove it at all."

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