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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    The space battles are okayish, but still kind of old fashioned. As I said, a lot could be learned from BSG, thought it's a different show.

    I just wish they'd experiment beyond standard camera angles and sets. The sets are simply starting to seem small, and cheap, particularly the village sets. They don't look like villages at all, they look more like... village centers with no real streets or anything, just set up for the arrival of Sg-1 so that they can encounter some prior. And the ligthing and colours are just... weak.

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    I think the space battles are excellent for example 'Flesh and Blood'
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    The Ori ship was chasing that ha'tak and suddenly an Ori beam shot down from above followed by the ship itself, apart from looking amazing was totally unexpected, you'd never imagine a ship of that size doing a manouver like that. Following this was the Ha'tak ramming the Ori ship, once again looking great, the camera angle inside the ha'tak flying down towards the Ori ship was great. Both tactics were new and unsuspected

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anjirika View Post
    No, the CGI has been great- I agree that the opening isn't the best- but the rest especially the CGI battle
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    between Adria and Daniel were damn awesome...
    Well the opening sequence is obviously CG but I still like it but I agree on Adia and Daniel loved it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kirmit View Post
    I think the space battles are excellent for example 'Flesh and Blood'
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    The Ori ship was chasing that ha'tak and suddenly an Ori beam shot down from above followed by the ship itself, apart from looking amazing was totally unexpected, you'd never imagine a ship of that size doing a manouver like that. Following this was the Ha'tak ramming the Ori ship, once again looking great, the camera angle inside the ha'tak flying down towards the Ori ship was great. Both tactics were new and unsuspected
    I agree. I don'y get these nitpickers as I just don't understand it. The space battles, battle between Adria and Daniel, everything in camelot, Flesh and blood I mean com on it's great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by metabog View Post
    Even the Ori soldier outfit... it looks goofy.
    Actually I quite like the Ori outfit... I like the whole Ori warddrobe that you see them wear. Much better than the Jaffa armor which is just clunky and ackward, and looks very impractical. Especially that steel hat they wear that is obviously plastic.

    The Ori armor looks much better in my opinion...

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by metabog View Post
    The space battles are okayish, but still kind of old fashioned. As I said, a lot could be learned from BSG, thought it's a different show.

    I just wish they'd experiment beyond standard camera angles and sets. The sets are simply starting to seem small, and cheap, particularly the village sets. They don't look like villages at all, they look more like... village centers with no real streets or anything, just set up for the arrival of Sg-1 so that they can encounter some prior. And the ligthing and colours are just... weak.
    The problem is that it's an established show with an established style. To suddenly up the cgi effects to the same style of bsg (which i must admit are fantastic) and use the same camera effects would just seem wrong.
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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell82 View Post
    No I disagree. The effects look better imo especially the sets. Look back at
    "Torment of Tantalus" to see just how fake that set looked. I think the sets and CG look very good in generla. Sometimes it's hard to get things to look real especially fictional things like the dragon. I admit it looked CG but it was believable imo. I think over the years the effects have gotten better nad better and believe that is still the case.
    I agree. The CG has gotten better. Theyve been using it a lot more as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace View Post
    Actually I quite like the Ori outfit... I like the whole Ori warddrobe that you see them wear. Much better than the Jaffa armor which is just clunky and ackward, and looks very impractical. Especially that steel hat they wear that is obviously plastic.

    The Ori armor looks much better in my opinion...

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    Not only that but the metal skirt and armor plate in the early seasons was obviously plastic. They fixed that later on though. It's really noticable in COTG when tealc picks up a dead Jaffa's armor and drops it. You can tell the "clunk" was added in. Agree about the Ori Armor.
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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by P-90_177 View Post
    The problem is that it's an established show with an established style. To suddenly up the cgi effects to the same style of bsg (which i must admit are fantastic) and use the same camera effects would just seem wrong.
    Good point. While I agree the effects on BSG are great the story has gone downhill. I've stopped watching and have no desire to come back after hearing who they are axing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StayingOccupied View Post
    I agree. The CG has gotten better. Theyve been using it a lot more as well.
    Thanks and yeah the last two seasons they have used more CG.
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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch_Razor View Post
    I agree the ships look great if only they'd get the scale right..

    "right" as in consistent btw, since in the Pegasus Project you see the ship flying over, then you see it flying around where it's small, then you see the kawoosh where it's big again.
    No, it was scaled right; you just missed the perspective. When the Ori ship was "small", it was much farther away from us than the supergate.

    EDIT: And I disagree; I think the SFX has been pretty awesome this year beside a few bumps; but then, nobody's perfect.

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    One thing that I thought would have been an improvement is the fire in the Ori city. It looks too CGI, it would have looked better if they did some kind of thing with real flames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus-304 View Post
    One thing that I thought would have been an improvement is the fire in the Ori city. It looks too CGI, it would have looked better if they did some kind of thing with real flames.
    Yeah but with actually seeing Ori flying around in the flames it be hard and it be very dangerous to be so close to such a huge wall of fire.
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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    The CGI looks great in comparison to movies like ‘Ultraviolet’, what a graphical disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell82 View Post
    I agree. I don'y get these nitpickers as I just don't understand it. The space battles, battle between Adria and Daniel, everything in camelot, Flesh and blood I mean com on it's great!
    It's not that hard to render ships and effects, it's hard to get it right.

    Compare it to making a SW mod, sure you can just go along use whatever weapons you think look cool, but it won't be accurate, and it won't be truly SW.

    Making one of the biggest Asgard ships look small (although that is debateable), and making every other ship the same size isn't what I think looks good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch_Razor View Post
    It's not that hard to render ships and effects, it's hard to get it right.

    Compare it to making a SW mod, sure you can just go along use whatever weapons you think look cool, but it won't be accurate, and it won't be truly SW.

    Making one of the biggest Asgard ships look small (although that is debateable), and making every other ship the same size isn't what I think looks good.
    I see you point and it's a good one but I still think the scaling was right.
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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    Quote Originally Posted by Daedalus-304 View Post
    One thing that I thought would have been an improvement is the fire in the Ori city. It looks too CGI, it would have looked better if they did some kind of thing with real flames.
    I agree it wasn't perfect but I think they've sinced improved their fire rendering skills judging from 'The Quest part 1'
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    The wall of fire daniel stepped through looked perfect



    Quote Originally Posted by Mitchell82 View Post
    I see you point and it's a good one but I still think the scaling was right.
    I disagree, although everything looked great in the camelot battle and was really good to watch the scaling was very off. Ha'taks, Earth ships and asgard ships were all the same size, which we know not to be true. I would say it was a matter of perspective but judging from the angles and just general look you could see the scaling was really mixed up.

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    If you (not directed towards anyone in particular), tben I suggest you whip out your S1 DVD's, plop your butt down on the couch and watch some eps from S1 that have CGI in them. What we are seeing now, compared to the CGI from S1 and the earlier seasons is fan****intastic. The CGI from s1 and the earlier seasons was crap compared to what we are seeing now. Rainmaker CGI is the s***!

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    Default Re: Does anyone think the CGI has gone worse, not better?

    The only things that have really bothered me about the cgi in recent years (not including the scaling in 'Camelot') are:-

    1. The Opening Sequence. It has basically the same kind of layout as the S6 credits but they were of the actual gate set (or very good cg) and looked really good. The gate in the current sequence just looks cheap and bugs me everytime I see it.

    2. The mutated creature in 'Uninvited'. That was just f***ing terrible! I cringed when I saw that. I was hoping for something along the lines of the Re'oul from 'The Fifth Man' - still obviously cgi but atleast it looked like they made the effort.

    3. The dragon, while obviously being cg, was not that bad. Something like that is not easy to make realistic and I think they did a good job with what was no doubt a very tight budget.

    I`m not naive enough to expect photo realism in every episode, especially on a show that has been running for 10 years and therefore pays alot of its budget out to wages for the cast.

    They are using cg alot more these days, where as in the early seasons they would have used cheaper practical effects to achieve a similar result. When you start using cg more regularly the $$ spent soon mount up and it becomes more and more difficult to maintain the same quality.
    If there were more seasons I would suggest to TPTB going back to the practical effects they used in earlier seasons as I could go without the bells and whistles because these effects worked and were very pleasing to the eye (big explosions - can't go wrong there!).
    Like many shows in the past they have learnt to rely too much on cgi and have forgotten how they managed the same quality for less money in earlier seasons.

    Having said that, the cg in SG-1 continues to be first class. They have had some not so good moments lately but if you weigh the quality of the effects over the last 10 years then it shows the quality of this show - just one reason why it has persisted for so long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freyr's mother View Post
    Camelot was one of the greatest battles ever, and you're letting the fact that there were scaling issues destroy your enjoyment of it. Jeez, the nitpickers!

    Now the dragon in Quest was complete crap. But rainmaker did their best. It is very difficult to CGI something living, and make it have movements, texture and coloring that look real. Living things are always really hard to do.
    I laugh when people talk about how great the Camelot space battle was. Trek were doing better effects 10 years ago. Just look at the DS9 Dominion battles if you really want to see a good space battle.
    We all know that SG-1 plots are determined by what can be used again in their wardrobe department. Thats why every second episode is standard alien(human) race in medi-evil rag uniform.
    Their cheapness can be found in that TBTB can only afford to have 4 ori ships for a supposed invasion fleet.
    Just wait for the cheapie effects in the DVD movies!!

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