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    Default "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    "In the Company of Thieves" one Ketan's lieutenants praises the Daedalus class a very powerful ship...yet it seems to get its ass kicked in every encounter...
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Most of those encounters are against multiple ships tho.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    i think they are refering to its shields and hyperdrive as well as the beaming technology, which is superior to the goulds old stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by knowsfords
    Most of those encounters are against multiple ships tho.

    That is true. I'd really love to see how one Goa'uld Ha'tak mothership would do against two or three Daedalus class ships. I'm pretty sure that the Tau'ri ships would win, despite the fact the weapons aren't quite as good. The shield strength ought to make up for that, and put them on a more even playing ground in that area.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    The rail guns are weaker than the Hat'ak's energy weapons, but the Daedalus class also has missiles, which help even out the weapons.
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    The rail guns also seam to pass right through shields with no effect. That ability is lessened by rail guns limited ability to inflict damage, but if we could target key pionts on the ship, say gun implacements or the Pel'Tak (bridge), even just using rail guns would quickly give us the upper hand against a lone Ha'tak.

    As for missiles, the x-301 was equiped with a new missile design that was supposedly capable of penetrating Gua'uld shield technology. Though we haven't seen proof that the technology works, it is likelly that this technology is incorporated into the missiles on our warships, which would make 304's (or even 302's if we wanted) more than a match for a small fleet of Ha'tak's, if one ever bothered to actually fight, instead of run. The real problem is the commander's are to afraid to scratch the paint on their fancy new toys.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Intergalatic hyper drive, beaming technology, nukes, very powerful railguns, F-302 which are "suppose" to carry hyperdrives (not sure if they do anymore)


    yea id say powerful, remember in atlantis the daedalus did heavy damage to another hive with railguns alone
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    I would just love to finally win a battle.
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    theoretically a 304 would smash a Ha'tak one on one, wouldn't it?

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Quote Originally Posted by Star Fox
    Intergalatic hyper drive, beaming technology, nukes, very powerful railguns, F-302 which are "suppose" to carry hyperdrives (not sure if they do anymore)


    yea id say powerful, remember in atlantis the daedalus did heavy damage to another hive with railguns alone
    The hive already damaged by a nuke and the rail gun fire caused secondary explosions by hitting internal systems in the dart bay, one on one unless the deadalus can get several nuke impacts on a hive the hive is going to batter it every time rail guns seem to be ineffective against them unless hitting a weakspot, as for ha'taks i think one on one a deadalus would win hands down...
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    well the combined mw fleet versus ori battle at the end of season 9 the hatak vessels got pwned from one hit with the main guns, however the asgard and earth ships were able to take at one head on hit each.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Quote Originally Posted by cooky
    The rail guns also seam to pass right through shields with no effect. That ability is lessened by rail guns limited ability to inflict damage, but if we could target key pionts on the ship, say gun implacements or the Pel'Tak (bridge), even just using rail guns would quickly give us the upper hand against a lone Ha'tak.

    As for missiles, the x-301 was equiped with a new missile design that was supposedly capable of penetrating Gua'uld shield technology. Though we haven't seen proof that the technology works, it is likelly that this technology is incorporated into the missiles on our warships, which would make 304's (or even 302's if we wanted) more than a match for a small fleet of Ha'tak's, if one ever bothered to actually fight, instead of run. The real problem is the commander's are to afraid to scratch the paint on their fancy new toys.
    Since when do railguns pass through shields, I have never seen that? Would've been one hell of an advantage during the Camelot battle.
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    i'm curious why we don't have energy weapons, for ten years we've had gould tech for energy weapons, i'm sure we could've assimilated that knowledge into our ships already along with projectiles and missiles..


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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Well, one, the only energy weapons (real life) that we've developed so far are laser-based systems. Systems which are best for use against fighters and missiles, but aren't powerful enough to do damage against capital ships.

    Two, Felger's energy weapon is problematic at best. It's possible they've put it on the shelf or scrapped the project entirely and are working on something new, which, unfortunately, takes time.

    And three, while the tech the Asgard have given us is very, very good, it's still underpowered, implying that we need better power generation systems before we think about mounting anything as power-intensive as directed-energy weapons on our ships.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Easy, Goa'uld weapons knowledge isn't worth it when we can ask the asgard for help building our own energy weapons and reactor systems that way we can actually win the battles we're able to win.
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Its a little ridiculous to think that we haven't reverse engineered a goa'uld energy weapon by now... we can figure out the ancient tech in Atlantis well enough to repair puddlejumpers and city systems, but we can make a Hatak energy cannon!

    The writers are simply trying to give us a vulnerability, since Asgard shielded ships with powerful weapons flying around would be pwning Hataks left and right.

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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Shadow Quinn
    Easy, Goa'uld weapons knowledge isn't worth it when we can ask the asgard for help building our own energy weapons and reactor systems that way we can actually win the battles we're able to win.
    Well, we do have to remember that we're going to be fighting in ways the Asgard won't, such as providing fire support to ground troops and engaging enemy fighters and small craft. I think that we should keep and continue to improve our current weapons systems, but also get access to lower-rated Asgard energy weapons and power generators. Just one of those weapons, in combination with missiles and rail guns, would give our ships considerable flexibility and firepower.

    Here's how this arrangement might work in one engagement:

    Against a single capital ship, continuous fire from an improved 304's main Asgard gun can be used to drive the ship. At the same time, we launch several stealthy or cloaked missiles into that flight path, detonating the warheads when the enemy ship reaches the predetermined point. All the while our rail guns do moderate damage to the enemy ship and keep their sensors occupied, and AWAY from our missiles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jds1982
    Since when do railguns pass through shields, I have never seen that? Would've been one hell of an advantage during the Camelot battle.
    Oops, I meant Ha'tak shields, not shields in general. I get that from Off the Grid, it was not said for sure that the rail gun rounds were going right through the LA's Ha'tak shields, but it did look that way. Durring the battle scenes, you can clearly see the rail gun fire, but no shield impacts. And one of the Oddysey's officers did mention that they had done minor damage to the Ha'taks.

    It isn't hard to believe, based on other episodes such as Upgrades, that a small enough round, moving at high speeds could slip through Gua'uld designed shields. Unfortunatelly, the smaller the round, the less damage it is going to do, even if it is unaffected by shields.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooky
    Oops, I meant Ha'tak shields, not shields in general. I get that from Off the Grid, it was not said for sure that the rail gun rounds were going right through the LA's Ha'tak shields, but it did look that way. Durring the battle scenes, you can clearly see the rail gun fire, but no shield impacts. And one of the Oddysey's officers did mention that they had done minor damage to the Ha'taks.

    It isn't hard to believe, based on other episodes such as Upgrades, that a small enough round, moving at high speeds could slip through Gua'uld designed shields. Unfortunatelly, the smaller the round, the less damage it is going to do, even if it is unaffected by shields.
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    Default Re: "The Tauri ship is very Powerful"what?[spoilers]

    I would agree with the fact that every time we see the Daedalus in action, it get's its ass kicked. Except in the siege part 3, against the one hive ship.
    I know the Asguard don't like sharing offensive weaponry with anyone, but surely there must be some race that will help them build better ones.

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