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I think I may have skipped the finale the last time I rewatched it. I've decided to re-watch all of the Star Trek series and movies (in the "prime" timeline) in chronological order. Ive usually done rewatchs by order of series air date in the past, but I've decided to be different this time around. I'm halfway through the first season of Enterprise. I'd almost forgotten how much Archer and Trip used to annoy me early on.sigpic
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Well, having just finished a rewatch of this...
Archer was a better captain than I remember him being.
And I've always liked Trip. He's cool.
T'Pol's character was ok, but the actress just never seemed to get comfortable in the role. Many times through the run, she was like a deer in the headlights, clearly uncomfortable despite nothing in the story at the time which would explain that.
Speaking of the Vulcans, as they were portrayed throughout this series, I'm surprised Earth chose to have anything to do with them at all. Bunch of arrogant bastages. Granted, events in S4 seem to have altered the course of Vulcan's society, pushing it in the direction that we are more familiar with.
I stand by my original conclusion that the S3 "Xindi superweapon" arc killed the series. With 5 subspecies of Xindi & Time travel involved, it was a very complex story, too complex for the casual viewer to completely grasp, and a lot of people tuned out as a result. I myself remember getting bored with it, and tuning in.. "Oh, Xindi crap again, click".
On a more logical level, wouldn't a species capable of building a weapon which could destroy a planet at that point in the technological development of the planets in this area, which all seemed to be about the same, have become the dominant player?
Without question, the best episode of the series was S4's two parter "In a Mirror, Darkly". That was delightful to watch.
As far as the ending, they *should* have used the two parter "Demons" and "Terra Prime" as the finale, with the creation of the Federation as the conclusion.
However, "These are the voyages..." was not entirely barren. Shran's asking Archer for help and Archer's decision to help him was a good illustration of how far Archer would go to foster the level of trust needed for such an alliance to work.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostI forgot just how bad the finale for this was. What a disgrace.
Originally posted by VampyreWraith View PostI think I may have skipped the finale the last time I rewatched it. I've decided to re-watch all of the Star Trek series and movies (in the "prime" timeline) in chronological order. Ive usually done rewatchs by order of series air date in the past, but I've decided to be different this time around. I'm halfway through the first season of Enterprise. I'd almost forgotten how much Archer and Trip used to annoy me early on.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostWell, having just finished a rewatch of this...
Archer was a better captain than I remember him being.
And I've always liked Trip. He's cool.
T'Pol's character was ok, but the actress just never seemed to get comfortable in the role. Many times through the run, she was like a deer in the headlights, clearly uncomfortable despite nothing in the story at the time which would explain that.
Speaking of the Vulcans, as they were portrayed throughout this series, I'm surprised Earth chose to have anything to do with them at all. Bunch of arrogant bastages. Granted, events in S4 seem to have altered the course of Vulcan's society, pushing it in the direction that we are more familiar with.
I stand by my original conclusion that the S3 "Xindi superweapon" arc killed the series. With 5 subspecies of Xindi & Time travel involved, it was a very complex story, too complex for the casual viewer to completely grasp, and a lot of people tuned out as a result. I myself remember getting bored with it, and tuning in.. "Oh, Xindi crap again, click".
On a more logical level, wouldn't a species capable of building a weapon which could destroy a planet at that point in the technological development of the planets in this area, which all seemed to be about the same, have become the dominant player?
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostI read somewhere that Blalock hated her costumes and hated that she didn't have the right eyebrows during the first two seasons. She was, apparently, a fan of TOS. I'm assuming that had something to do with that. But she was also portraying a vulcan constantly annoyed who bought into the illogical nonsense of the Romulan infested High Command.
I noticed the eyebrows too. Her own go up, and then curve back down as is common, but they just drew the straight brows of Vuclans on her face. It was quite obvious they didn't follow the natural lines of her face. Additionally, in some scenes, they didn't do that good a job of hiding her natural brows with makeup.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostWell, she did sign on to be eye candy. The costumes come with the territory.
I noticed the eyebrows too. Her own go up, and then curve back down as is common, but they just drew the straight brows of Vuclans on her face. It was quite obvious they didn't follow the natural lines of her face. Additionally, in some scenes, they didn't do that good a job of hiding her natural brows with makeup.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostNo offense, but that is a very old fashioned way of thinking.
TOS: Yeoman Rand. Ever notice the soft lens focus whenever she was the center of the image on the screen?
TNG: Troi for the guys, Riker for the gals.
ENT: T'Pol
VOY: Ummm... you need to ask?
And on and on. Eye candy characters are as much a part of that show as Klingons. Why else would wardrobe stuff all of the aforementioned ladies into girdles & corsets?
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostI didn't notice that make up issue (I first saw it on an older tv) until my rewatch.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostName me one Trek franchise entry (aside from animated, that was on Sat. AM for kids!) that didn't have an eye-candy character?
TOS: Yeoman Rand. Ever notice the soft lens focus whenever she was the center of the image on the screen?
TNG: Troi for the guys, Riker for the gals.
ENT: T'Pol
VOY: Ummm... you need to ask?
And on and on. Eye candy characters are as much a part of that show as Klingons. Why else would wardrobe stuff all of the aforementioned ladies into girdles & corsets?
A LOT of older material doesn't pass muster on modern home entertainment hardware. High Definition is hell on actors.
It is old fashioned and it was dramatically out of place in ENT and I can't blame Blalock for not being fond of her initial look. I don't mind eye candy (especially if it is balanced, as in some for the guys and some for the girls). But nothing so blatant as Seven of Nine, that's just downright offensive. And that's what I mean about old fashioned. T'Pol's look wasn't as bad as Seven's, but still pretty bad by contemporary standards.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostVoyager and ENT caught a lot of flak over it, and rightfully so. Jerri Ryan was criminally underused and underappreciated if you ask me, and her catsuit certainly did not help. DS9 is missing the obvious eye candy btw (Leta doesn't count cause that was narratively consistent and made sense). I can excuse a show made in the 1980s and especially the 1960s for doing that. And speaking of TNG, Troi ended up getting a Uniform just before DS9 started in the 1990s because the times were changing...and not to mention the reason why Troi originally didn't have the uniform on was because of some sort of allergic reaction to her part so set design took advantage of that by giving her short skirts and low necklines. had it not been for that, she would have been in a uniform a lot sooner.
It is old fashioned and it was dramatically out of place in ENT and I can't blame Blalock for not being fond of her initial look. I don't mind eye candy (especially if it is balanced, as in some for the guys and some for the girls). But nothing so blatant as Seven of Nine, that's just downright offensive. And that's what I mean about old fashioned. T'Pol's look wasn't as bad as Seven's, but still pretty bad by contemporary standards.
Aside from Rand, Trek producers could have had women in any of those characters portrayed by actresses who were not "hotties". They didn't have to choose the people they did, nor did they have to stuff them into the costumes. But that's what the creators wanted, and that's the job that the girls applied for. Eye candy. They can't gripe about it after the fact just because the standards of the day have changed later on.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostIn case you haven't noticed, I'm a lot older than you are.
Aside from Rand, Trek producers could have had women in any of those characters portrayed by actresses who were not "hotties". They didn't have to choose the people they did, nor did they have to stuff them into the costumes. But that's what the creators wanted, and that's the job that the girls applied for. Eye candy. They can't gripe about it after the fact just because the standards of the day have changed later on.Please do me a huge favour and help me be with the love of my life.
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So, 15 years later, I've finally watched all of ST:E...
Almost 2 decades ago I watched the first season reasonably faithfully, but that's about as far as I got. Now thanks to Netflix I've seen ever episode, the good and the bad, including the terrible finale. What an insult! But you've heard that before.
I've read various insights into the direction the series took, and the likely reasons the show - and that era of Star Trek - came to an end, but I have to say that the final 2 seasons actually impressed me more than I expected. The Xindi storyline was a first for Star Trek, taking a whole season to focus on one storyline, without too many divergences, and IMO didn't get too stale. And season 4's 2 and 3 parters worked well too, allowing for a bunch of long-form stories rather than the Trek-traditional 45min and its over approach.
Knowing ahead of time that the finale was going to be a let-down, I was glad to get the Demons/Terra Prime story, which felt at least like a reasonable send off in its own right, given the latter part of the series' depiction of xenophobia. It actually made me think of Picard (series) in that regard - being topical rather than just bland.
I am a fan of Scott Bakula from his QLeap days... and I like the character of Captain Archer.... but, when he's trying to play tough, I just don't feel it (most of the time). He's just too darned nice. I can understand why he's voted least popular Star Trek captain... (yet - a big part of me wishes that - if this were a glimpse of our future - there would be more captains like him flying around in big metal ships across the galaxy, because I would choose him to be Humanity's representative over any other captain...)
ST:Enterprise done... now to catch that final season of DS9. I hope Jadzia survives that Pah Wraith attack, and Sisko gets promoted off the station to command a real star ship...back on YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@The-Cosmic-Hobo
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