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    Default I want the book of Origin!

    I'm not sure where to put this (In Season 10, or General Discusion) But since this is an Ori related Topic i thought it would get most replys/views here.

    Anyways i am wondering.

    Have the writers/producers of stargate actually drawn out a draft of the of The Ori religious Holy book; The Book of Origin (To an extent) or just make up the contents up as they go along each episode?

    Have they made the book important in relation to keeping the Ori as a grounded "religion" in context with the actual Ori social character arc or just a chance to say some cool words of wisdom)

    Obviously they probly havn't done a whole book, but i wonder if they have made them intresting sentences and examples of storys for it in advance to keep the book as an "important item", not just a prop.

    Sorry if this sounds a stupid question.
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    I'm not actually sure, they've got the props for the Books of Origin (with the Doci & Priors) but I'm not sure if they have an actual book with all the religious text in it. They've probably done some research, & joted a few quotes & metaphors down to use & improvise upon. I doubt they'd have an actual book, as that would be difficult & time consuming, so I'd have to go with No, for now.

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    If anything, I'm of the opinion that TPTB will continue to follow and relate back to what they've already given us so far about content in the Book Of Origin. I don't personally think they've written a whole lot out in advance. If anything, I believe they will just continue to add to it as called for.

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    i want the book of origin !

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    yeah me too but in the small samples the priors dole out I noticed something...

    the phrases are very cryptic BUT enlightened as well. It's kind of a paradox, the Ori want the power from their followers but hand out phrases of awakening left and right. Kind of weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Fifth
    i want the book of origin !
    Me too! They should print excerpts of it in every issue of Stargate Magazine.

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    Pehaps we could find some texts that cotradict the book of Origin at somepoint. That would be interesting...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zex_Suik
    yeah me too but in the small samples the priors dole out I noticed something...

    the phrases are very cryptic BUT enlightened as well. It's kind of a paradox, the Ori want the power from their followers but hand out phrases of awakening left and right. Kind of weird.
    I think that the creulty of it is that it only sounds awakening and enlightening. The actual words themselves and the sayings that we've heard are designed to close minds, not open them.


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    Quotations from the Book of Origin:

    "Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray."

    "Those who abandon the path are evil."

    "Enemies of the Ori show no mercy in their attempts to draw believers away from the path."

    "As he lay there dying in the sun, the sands of the desert all around him, Petris spoke to the rock. Not with his lips, but with his mind. And the rock wept tears of fresh water. And his thirst was quenched"

    "Then to Tyolus: say to the people of the low plains, seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors lest it find purchase in your own house."

    And then there's another one, something like: "Those who do not submit to the will of the Ori will be laid low and made unto dust"

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    There are some quotes and parables in wiki from the Book of Origin (about half way down the page)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ori_%28Stargate%29
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    Here's the list from Wikipedia:



    "Hallowed are the children of the Ori."

    "Those who reject the path to enlightenment must be destroyed."

    "Those who seek the path to enlightenment must not be led astray!"

    "Glorious are the Ori, who lead us to salvation, who did fight the evil that would doom us all to mortal sin. Did they defeat the old spirits and cast them out? And now, with the strength of our will, they do call upon us to prevail against the corruption of all unbelievers."

    "Fear not the Ori, fear the darkness that would conceal the knowledge of the universe. Believe in the truth of all things, and you too may find the path to enlightenment."

    "Guide us on the path that we may triumph over the enemy of our salvation and be with you in the end of ends on the planes of enlightenment."

    "Those who abandon the path are evil."

    "And the people shall deliver unto you the wicked for your divine judgment, where their sins shall be weighed in the balance of all that is just and true."

    "Life and death, light and darkness, hope and despair. The rift was created, and on that day, the Ori were born."

    "The hatred of those who strayed from the true path festered and bloomed in the dark corners of the Avernakis to which they have been cast!"

    "Consumed by this hatred, they poisoned all they touched, bringing death, darkness and despair."

    "The souls of their victims knew no peace, until the Ori came and whispered to them: 'Sleep, for the end draws near!' And on that day all will rejoice, when the Ori come and lay them low."

    "Those who follow the path of righteousness shall be raised up high."

    "Ours is not to question, but to rejoice in their service, for they are perfection."

    "Priors are beacons on the road to enlightenment."

    "Pity not the blind man, for he is hindered not by the visions of this world, but rather pity yourselves, for he will see the light before you do."

    "The book of Origin tell us that enemies of the Ori will show no mercy in their attempt to lead us astray from the true path"

    "And those who are prideful and refuse to bow down shall be laid low and made into dust."

    "Then to Tyolus: say to the people of the low plains, seek not the wickedness amongst your neighbors lest it find purchase in your own house."

    "As he lay there, dying in the sun, the sand of desert all around him, Petris spoke to the rock, not with his lips, but with his mind, and the rock wept tears of fresh water and his thirst was quenched."

    "When Hannor Mir fell from above and learned to fly on the way down, that was a miracle."

    "Amica strayed from the path of enlightenment. He was forgiven, and was allowed back on the path."

    "Egidius of Valdair needed to speak things that could only be spoken in the light of the fire."

    "Adelenus chose to hunt the lion and was eaten by his prey."

    "The Ori fought the Alterans, to save their followers."

    Thanks for that *Crash* - nice find

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    No problem, atually that Article on Wiki made me wonder about this question in the first place.
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    Has anyone ever heard of Origen?

    How about that maybe the Ori are represented as Demons (remember, different plane of existence than the Ancients)...? Plus they are fire.

    How about that the Ancients are represented as Angels? All our Ascended Ancients appear in a warm white glow (like Oma, Chaya, and Daniel).

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    Maybe that's just the way they choose to represent themselves....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias2.0
    Has anyone ever heard of Origen?

    How about that maybe the Ori are represented as Demons (remember, different plane of existence than the Ancients)...? Plus they are fire.

    How about that the Ancients are represented as Angels? All our Ascended Ancients appear in a warm white glow (like Oma, Chaya, and Daniel).

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    That's because the Lantiens, who returned from the Pegasis Galaxy, found Earth in the Greek/Roman Times & influenced our religion & thought to there beliefs. Alternas=Good=Light=Angels/Heaven & Ori=Bad=Fire=Demons/Hell.
    So, the writers have infact, explained most of todays religions.

    On a note, fire isn't always destrucive is it? It also gives warmth & cooks food, therefore rids us of germs.

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    An analysis of the Ori religion of Origin



    Purpose

    The purpose of Origin is to control. It's how they keep the masses in line and get the followers to further their power-hungry purposes. As a result, it is proselytising, dogmatic and focuses of the reward of ascension for those who hallow the Ori.

    Origin is a very, very proselytising religion. Those who don't convert should die according to the teachers of Origin. One of the central tenets of the faith is that it is the duty of all faithful to convert or kill the unbelievers.

    The dogma of Origin claims that the Ori created all and dismisses any claims to the contrary. It forces its followers to automatically reject anthing that might contradict Origin.

    Origin is also built around the promise of the Ori that all faithful that worship them will be ascended when they die. This gives the followers of Origin something to look forward too and also removes their fear of death.

    Priors



    The Priors are, according to the book of Origin, "beacons on the road to enlightenment". They enforce the will of the Ori directly, keeping the religion under control.

    The Priors have the ability to perform 'miracles'. They use this ability to show others the power of the Ori and force them to convert. They also use 'miracles' as a way of keeping the believers undoubting of the Ori.

    Anyone else have any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Prophet
    That's because the Lantiens, who returned from the Pegasis Galaxy, found Earth in the Greek/Roman Times & influenced our religion & thought to there beliefs. Alternas=Good=Light=Angels/Heaven & Ori=Bad=Fire=Demons/Hell.
    So, the writers have infact, explained most of todays religions.

    On a note, fire isn't always destrucive is it? It also gives warmth & cooks food, therefore rids us of germs.
    So our Ancients appear in a warm white glow because of how they influenced Greco-Roman beliefs? I'm sorry, but that does not sound completely correct.

    That true (regarding fire)... Daniel made a statement about that somewhere.

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    An In-Depth Analysis of the Ori Religion of Origin

    The Ori
    Priors
    Book of Origin
    Ascension (enlightenment)
    The path of Origin
    Society under Origin
    Attitudes of Origin

    The Ori
    The Ori are central to Origin. The Ori created all and according to Origin, down the path of Origin so that others could follow them to enlightenment. Origin demands that the Ori must be worshiped and that all must bow down and submit to their will.

    "Life and death. Light and darkness. Hope and despair. The rift was created, and on that day, the Ori were born. But the hatred of those who strayed from the true path festered and bloomed in the dark corners of the Avernakis to which they had been cast! And consumed by this hatred, they poisoned all they touched, bringing death, darkness and despair. And the souls of their victims knew no peace, until the Ori came and whispered to them: "sleep, for the end draws near!" And on that day, all will rejoice, when the Ori come and lay them low."

    Priors
    Priors are "beacons on the road to enlightenment". Priors are the enforcers of the will of the Ori and spread the word of the Ori to those who do not know of Origin. Priors can perform 'miracles', which they use to show the power of the Ori.

    The Book of Origin
    The Book of Origin is another central aspect to Origin. The Book of Origin is the 'manual' of Origin, telling followers what the Ori require of them. The Ori path to enlightenment is laid out in the book of Origin.

    Enlightenment
    Origin claims to be a 'path to enlightenment'. The Ori promise that they will ascend their followers when they die, to join them in elightenment. They claim that the Alterans are evil for not sharing the secrets of enlightenment with those beneath them and that the Ori wish to share their knowlage of the universe; all they ask is that believers follow the path that they have laid out.

    The Path of Origin
    Origin is the religion of the Ori. The Ori use it to gain followers and power. The Ori claim that Origin is the path to enlightenment and that all who follow it will be rewarded with enlightenment when they die.

    Origin demands worship of the Ori and the belief that the Ori created all. The icon of Origin is fire: symbolising heat and warmth.

    The followers of Origin perform a cerimony called 'Prostration' regularly. Prostration involves worship of the Ori by chanting "all hallow the Ori" and "hallowed are the Ori". Prostration is presided over by the village administrators. Prostration can last a very long time.

    A central tenet of Origin is that those who do not follow the path must be converted or destroyed. Is is the duty of a believer to convert or kill an unbeliever.

    "Those who reject the path to enlightenment must be destroyed."

    Society Under Origin
    Societies following Origin are governed by village administrators. Administrators run the village and preside over various Origin ceremonies. Administrators have a lot of power under Origin. They control their village making sure that the populace does not waver from the path and directing the duties of the village.

    Followers of Origin are keen to root out heresy. Each Ori village has a stone structure called an Ara at it's center where heretics and unbelievers are chained and punishment is meted out. In an execution, flaming oil is poured onto the Ara and slowly channeled towards the condemned who are burned to death.

    Ori follower level of society is similar to medieval Europe. They are kept at that level of technology to ensure loyalty but are given advanced capabilities by the Ori to kill the unbelievers when they need it. They are taught to depend on the Ori and not think for themselves.

    Attitudes of Origin
    Origin dictates that the Ori will provide for their followers in return for unquestioning faith. Doubt is a concept which is alien the followers of Origin.

    "Ours is not to question, but to rejoice in their service, for they are perfection."

    The Book of Origin says that "Adelenus chose to hunt the lion and was eaten by his prey" I interpret this to mean that Adelenus was a fool to choose to hunt the lion. You must accept the consequences of your own actions. As a result of this you must let the Ori make your choices for you, for "they are perfection" and if you let the Ori guide you you cannot go wrong.

    The Ori allow redemption. If you truly repent your sins and return to the path then you will be forgiven.

    "Amica strayed from the path of enlightenment. He was forgiven, and was allowed back on the path."




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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias2.0
    So our Ancients appear in a warm white glow because of how they influenced Greco-Roman beliefs? I'm sorry, but that does not sound completely correct.

    That true (regarding fire)... Daniel made a statement about that somewhere.

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    Yeah, It doesn't make complete sense, but I think that's what Daniel said, or could be infered from what he said. & It's actually: They influenced Greco-Roman beliefs because our Ancients appear in a warm white glow, not the other way around. It may not be completly correct, but TPTB are in the retcon stage, where they're rewiting the history of the Ancients, so we've got facts from before the retcon merging with half-facts from after the retcon, so their are bound to be HUGE errors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mattathias2.0
    Has anyone ever heard of Origen?
    Do you mean Origen of Alexandria? One of the great early Christian philosophers? Yep, heard of him.
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