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    Originally posted by jelgate View Post
    It sounds better than Marine #4
    lmao.....

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      Morgan was very specific in saying "the first human to set foot in Atlantis...." blah blah, and not try to let on that she was the real Ganos Lal(Morgan le Fey) and not a hologram.

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        Originally posted by hammerbutt View Post
        Wonder why Morgan said Dr Elizabeth Weir was the first person to set foot in Atlantis when she was the 5th. The colonel and his marines went thru the gate first and Elizabeth paused to look back at General O'neill
        It was speculated that since Elizabeth went back 10,000 years to the Atlantis of that day in one episode, she was the first human to set foot on Atlantis.

        Season 1, Before I Sleep - A very old Elizabeth Weir is found in a suspended animation chamber. When she is awakened she tells of what happened to her expedition and how she wound up 10,000 years in the past just as the Atlantis population was being evacuated to earth, and she stayed behind.
        Last edited by hedwig; 02 June 2017, 02:46 PM.

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          That's true. BUT then she wouldn't have been the first human to set foot in atlantis SINCE the lantis expedition left, but the first human As they left..

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            Originally posted by garhkal View Post
            That's true. BUT then she wouldn't have been the first human to set foot in atlantis SINCE the lantis expedition left, but the first human As they left..
            Not unless there were some Lanteans that had ALREADY returned to Earth before her arrival. It's kinda of a gray area.

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              Noticed it was on TV again maybe its a joke since Robert Patrick isn't human he's a T-1000

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                Love this episode! SG1 in Atlantis, supergate, and exploding ships-- what's not to love.

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                  well.... i was reading comments and someone was upset about Daniels emotions on seeing atlantis, maybe he was soured or bitter because he was where he would have dreamed to be for ages since his childhood, but everything that really mattered, Vala's Daughter, humanity across the galaxies, was all threatened by things that shouldnt threaten them, and a nemesis that thier deities helped create and didnt even bother to prepare humanity to be strong enough to resist them in full force

                  but you know its one of those bitter half truths, i suppose you could argue the mentalities of the ancients is delicate and proper preparation, not overwhelming strength, a complete change in practice and preparation due to their war with the wraith going so poorly due to arrogance and aiming to be stronger rather then wiser and more nimble in how they used thier strengths

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                    Time dilation goof:

                    If the modulated audio, is let's say 2x slower, that's because the carrier wave is also 2x lower. So I'm willing to suspend disbelief with regards to radio receivers that can detect and demodulate a carrier between UHF and long waves. But if one end has stretched (low pitch voice), then the other end should get compressed (high pitch voice)...

                    That's just basic relativity. Even Star Trek showed how it's done twice in Voyager.

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                      Excellent episode. I loved it and rate it as highly as The Fifth Race or Window Of Opportunity.

                      As Scifi and believability it is amazing. If I were to start questioning aspects of the episode, however, it is not an episode that breaks or leaves many questions honestly. Such as:

                      So they bring 2 stargates from somewhere - one is placed in the Milky Way near the unmanned Ori Supergate and the 2nd they ferry all the way over to Pegasus Galaxy where somehow they find a black hole and tow it near the black hole and toss it there.

                      1. The stargates are coded to their points in space and the dhd is used for that along with entering symbols in. So how did they determine the gate address for the one in milky way and one in pegasus galaxy? Stargates coords have to be recalculated per Carter from S1E1 because of "drift in space" bs - not possible since these are digital systems and not analog. So how did they calculate the gate address of the milky way's gate they left near Ori Supergate?

                      2. How did the gate in Pegasus Galaxy dial the Milky Way gate - did it use the 7-symbol address of 8-symbol address? It would have to be 8 now given they're in another galaxy. How did they compute the 8th chevron now? I understand they got the power from the black hole but then why didn't Atlantis do this right off the bat to contact Earth?

                      3. Why did the blast redirect the connection to the Ori Supergate? I thought they established that the Ori Supergate could only be connected to by another Supergate and not a normal gate. Because of the chihuahua vs bulldog analogy.

                      4. And why would it go to the Ori Supergate? It is not yet registered in the Milky Way database of gates. The Ori used it to get to Milky Way from only their galaxy's gate. No gate in Milky Way knows about the Ori Supergate so there was no way for the wormhole to jump to it. No gate address update ever took place since it never dialed a Milky Way gate and never updated its address to all other gates

                      5. Why did the initial 26 megaton blasts not work when a much smaller shaped charge worked before in SGC? They ended up using 5 of these nukes at least.

                      6. Given the Pegasus gate is very near the black hole and also going toward it more, it will start exerting its gravitation influence through the wormhole to the Ori Supergate further and faster and start pulling things into it soon. Given the Ori Supergate is massive, there will be a much higher gravitational pull near it and it will keep expanding... Depending on where it is it will soon start to pull in comets, planets and even star matter to it soon. That is a ticking time bomb of a disaster SG1 and SGA created for everyone. Hopefully it will take millions of year before it decimates everything but it was stupid

                      7. Why didn't they just fly some 302s into the supergate and assist Teal'c or go to him at the end? The gate was close enough to the black hole but they could escape its gravity for now

                      8. A black hole disk can and does occupy a massive amount of space. Wouldn't the stargate coords keep shifting and constantly transmitting updated coords to all other gates?

                      9. Does the Pegasus gate register on the Pegasus system because it is in that galaxy?

                      10. How did they create easily portable remote dialing computer for the Pegasus side gate? Does it not take a supercomputer and other massive tech for this? Or did they use a DHD?

                      There can be more of such questions if you think about it more. But overall, as a story with bs science behind it ignored, it is a wonderful episode full of intrigue, great crossover and plot progress.

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                        Originally posted by fani View Post
                        1. The stargates are coded to their points in space and the dhd is used for that along with entering symbols in. So how did they determine the gate address for the one in milky way and one in pegasus galaxy? Stargates coords have to be recalculated per Carter from S1E1 because of "drift in space" bs - not possible since these are digital systems and not analog. So how did they calculate the gate address of the milky way's gate they left near Ori Supergate?
                        It took a bit of time for their computer to recalculate addresses in the early seasons because it needed to extrapolate a Stargate's current position in space. Stars don't follow a simple path around the galactic core. They drift above and below the galactic plane and the gravitational pull of other stars and planetary bodies jostles them around somewhat. Stars also move as the galaxy itself moves.

                        The concept is imperfectly explained in the show, but it doesn't apply in the case of the Supergate as that is a point in space that Earth personnel have traveled to by ship. Earth also tried to dial the Milk Way gate that was destroyed by the Supergate's creation before sending the Odyssey, which means they had already calculated its position in space.

                        2. How did the gate in Pegasus Galaxy dial the Milky Way gate - did it use the 7-symbol address of 8-symbol address? It would have to be 8 now given they're in another galaxy. How did they compute the 8th chevron now?
                        Per "Fifth Race," the 8th chevron is like an area code in that it is added onto the first 6 chevrons (indicating the point in space):
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                        CARTER
                        The extra chevron must add a new distance calculation to the existing points. It's kind of like dialing a different area code.​

                        A better question would be how the SGC accounted for stellar drift when dialing Atlantis for the first time. The address was found in the Ancient outpost, so the Ancients likely either left the address for the planet they intended to go when they left Earth 5-10 million years ago or they updated the computer to include the address when they returned 10,000 years ago. In either case, the first 6 chevrons should no longer be valid and I don't see how they could correct for the stellar drift of a star that is unobservable from Earth.

                        I understand they got the power from the black hole but then why didn't Atlantis do this right off the bat to contact Earth?
                        Are you asking why Atlantis didn't use a black hole to establish a connection between a Pegasus and Milky Way gate in season 1? If so, they didn't have a ship capable of reaching a black hole at the time and even if they did there's a different risk vs reward calculus to using a black hole to establish communications and doing so to block the Ori Supergate.

                        3. Why did the blast redirect the connection to the Ori Supergate? I thought they established that the Ori Supergate could only be connected to by another Supergate and not a normal gate. Because of the chihuahua vs bulldog analogy.
                        Here are exact quotes from the episode:
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                        MCKAY

                        No, no, no, no, no. The diameter of a Stargate is not arbitrary. There is a specific correlation between the energy required to create a stable wormhole—

                        CARTER
                        And the size of the gate. I know that!

                        MCKAY
                        And, it's exponentially proportional to size, which means the energy required to create a connection with a Supergate would far exceed that of an ordinary gate. It'd be like putting together a Saint Bernard and a Chihuahua.

                        ...

                        DANIEL
                        But to answer your question, we are introducing another Stargate into the equation. Teal'c should have it in position right now.

                        CARTER
                        If we can make a connection between that gate and one from the Pegasus galaxy—

                        MCKAY
                        You, you're trying to make a jump. Don't shoot me; you know I can't help myself.

                        ...

                        CARTER
                        Now that energy spike forced our outgoing wormhole to jump to another Stargate that was relatively close by.

                        MITCHELL
                        And, if we can do it again we can tie up the Ori Supergate indefinitely.

                        MCKAY
                        Even if you were able to establish an initial connection

                        MITCHELL
                        We need a nuke, we know.

                        ...

                        CARTER
                        Anything less and it won't add enough energy to the matter stream to make a jump to the Stargate.​

                        ...

                        Our energy output problem isn't one of degree, it is one of duration. We need to calibrate an explosion with a low enough yield that the gate can survive, but maintain sufficiently high energy for there to be a cumulative effect on the matter stream.

                        Basically, compatibility isn't simply about the size of two Stargates, as the dog analogy may seem to imply, it's about the power output of the outgoing Stargate. Milky Way gates cannot directly dial a Supergate because they cannot store enough energy to establish a connection. Size comes into play because larger Stargates have more space to store energy.

                        The initial conversation was confusing because McKay kept trailing off, but it later became clear that the purpose of the nukes wasn't just to trigger an energy spike (low yield energy weapons have done that before as you know), but also to increase the amount of energy traveling through the matter stream.

                        Energy can pass directly through a wormhole without first being absorbed by a Stargate. That's why a black hole can supply power to an outgoing wormhole. That energy isn't being transmitted by the incoming Stargate, it's bypassing the Stargate entirely and, after passing through the wormhole, being absorbed by the outgoing Stargate.

                        In "The Pegasus Project," it seems that the plan was to direct a high amount of additional energy right into the matter stream (on top of all the energy stored in the Stargate's capacitors and whatever energy from the black hole's event horizon presumably passed directly into the wormhole on its own). This is why it was important to first establish a connection between two standard sized Stargates. They couldn't dial the Supergate directly because it's impossible to add energy beyond what a Stargate's capacitors can hold when first trying to establish a connection. However, once a wormhole is established, they were able to supplement the energy that the Stargate was storing/transmitting with energy that's fed directly into the wormhole.

                        The crux of the episode is that it wasn't easy to figure out how to add enough energy to make it possible to establish a connection with the Supergate (when the energy spike caused the outgoing wormhole to try to jump to it) without destroying their Stargate in the process.

                        (In case it's not clear, the implication here is that less energy is required to maintain a wormhole than establish one as they obviously didn't need to direct a continual flow of additional energy into the matter steam once the connection jumped to the Supergate.)

                        4. And why would it go to the Ori Supergate? It is not yet registered in the Milky Way database of gates. The Ori used it to get to Milky Way from only their galaxy's gate. No gate in Milky Way knows about the Ori Supergate so there was no way for the wormhole to jump to it. No gate address update ever took place since it never dialed a Milky Way gate and never updated its address to all other gates
                        A wormhole will jump to a nearby gate when an energy surge disrupts a normal connection, so it's not a matter of the computer purposefully directing the wormhole to jump to a Stargate that has previously communicated with via the DHD.

                        6. Given the Pegasus gate is very near the black hole and also going toward it more, it will start exerting its gravitation influence through the wormhole to the Ori Supergate further and faster and start pulling things into it soon. Given the Ori Supergate is massive, there will be a much higher gravitational pull near it and it will keep expanding... Depending on where it is it will soon start to pull in comets, planets and even star matter to it soon. That is a ticking time bomb of a disaster SG1 and SGA created for everyone. Hopefully it will take millions of year before it decimates everything but it was stupid
                        The following is a spoiler from later in season 10.

                        They...

                        Spoiler:
                        destroyed the gate in orbit around the Pegasus black hole long before it could be disruptive to the Milky Way.


                        Also, the Supergate was created by destroying a planet that a regular Stargate was once on, so unless there was another habitable planet in that system which Sg-1 conveniently forgot to mention, connecting the Supergate to a gate orbiting a black hole is not going to put anyone (except people who purposely travel to that inhabitable system by ship) in danger.

                        For the black hole's gravity to be felt as strongly as you describe, the Stargate's orbit would have to significantly degrade. At some point in that process the Stargate will be destroyed by the black hole, which would sever the connection. It may take out the star that the Supergate is orbiting before that happens, but not neighboring stars.

                        7. Why didn't they just fly some 302s into the supergate and assist Teal'c or go to him at the end? The gate was close enough to the black hole but they could escape its gravity for now
                        302s are too big to fly into a Stargate. If you go back and rewatch "Fallen" (Season 7, Episode 1), it was mentioned that they had to reassemble one (and build a runway) prior to their attack on Anubis' mothership.

                        8. A black hole disk can and does occupy a massive amount of space. Wouldn't the stargate coords keep shifting and constantly transmitting updated coords to all other gates?
                        A great many black holes are smaller than the Earth, the radius of the event horizon of the supermassive black hole at the center of our own galaxy, while much more massive than our Sun, can comfortably fit within our own solar system, and the Hive chased the Daedalus around the black hole at sublight speeds. Thus, the Stargate's address would not change as it orbits the Pegasus black hole, if that's what you're asking.

                        Additionally, coordinates are transmitted and updated, not by Stargates themselves, but by their DHDs, which would have been vaporized if left behind with the Stargate.​

                        9. Does the Pegasus gate register on the Pegasus system because it is in that galaxy?
                        It's unclear if they brought the Milky Way DHD with them and dialed it up from the Daedalus or if they brought their own wireless dialing program. If the latter, the answer to your question is no as Stargates cannot communicate with each other unless they both have a working DHD. If the former, I don't think it's ever been established whether Pegasus DHDs will incorporate a Milky Way DHD to their network once it's been relocated to the Pegasus galaxy.

                        10. How did they create easily portable remote dialing computer for the Pegasus side gate? Does it not take a supercomputer and other massive tech for this? Or did they use a DHD?
                        Over time, they were able to run a dialing program off of a laptop. Vala mentioned later in season 10's "Bad Guys:"
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                        VALA
                        Well, when we fail to make the scheduled check-in, General Landry will dial in, at which point we'll ask him to send a naquadah generator and a laptop with a dialing program and that's that!​
                        Last edited by Xaeden; 17 August 2023, 08:26 PM.

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