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    Default Re: Underground (109)

    I forgot to mention this earlier, but this ep had new establishing shots of Atlantis. Yay! Now if only someone would go and shoot some new stuff at Cheyenne Mountain...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    I forgot to mention this earlier, but this ep had new establishing shots of Atlantis. Yay! Now if only someone would go and shoot some new stuff at Cheyenne Mountain...
    Establishing new shots of Cheyenne Mountain is tricky 'cause of national security. New shots of Atlantis pose no such problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Establishing new shots of Cheyenne Mountain is tricky 'cause of national security.
    Well, they were able to do it once...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    Well, they were able to do it once...
    Yeah, and the Air Force FREAKED OUT, MAN! hehehe. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Yeah, and the Air Force FREAKED OUT, MAN! hehehe. Sorry. Couldn't resist.

    Gary Jones is a terrible influence.
    Yes, being able to just click the 'render' button does have a few advantages....

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    As has been pointed out, filming establishing shots of NORAD's headquarters in the current national security enviroment isn't likely. They arrested a kid around here for taking photographs of a nuclear plant from a distence for a school photography project.

    Does remind me though of 1963's Seven Days in May (which has to be one of my favorite movies of all time), where they needed a shot of one of the characters entering the Pentagon. The DoD doesn't let film crews shot at that building (not than, not now, not likely ever), so to get it they had the film cameras set up in a station wagen and had Burt Lancaster dressed in a Marine uniform walk on up and into the building.

    Thus the guards saluting were real marines thinking they were saluting a real colonel.



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    not sure if this was addressed i noticed it and not sure if anyone else did

    before shepard and the others left teyla and the father of the blond (that genni fella who got shot by the wraith)
    it looked to me as if he gave Colm Meaney. (Chief Miles Edward O'Brien)
    the old Wraith memory stick thing,then while in the puddle jumper Colm Meaney switched it for the new one so the one the SGA team has is the old one that the genni already looked at so the genni do have the new memory stick thing

    did any one else see that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbrd79
    not sure if this was addressed i noticed it and not sure if anyone else did

    before shepard and the others left teyla and the father of the blond (that genni fella who got shot by the wraith)
    it looked to me as if he gave Colm Meaney. (Chief Miles Edward O'Brien)
    the old Wraith memory stick thing,then while in the puddle jumper Colm Meaney switched it for the new one so the one the SGA team has is the old one that the genni already looked at so the genni do have the new memory stick thing

    did any one else see that?
    There was no new memory stick. They brought the one they had with them so they could download the data from the wraith ship's computer into it. There was only one memory stick.

    BTW, the wraith should have a chat with Sony engineers about making those memory sticks more compact...

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    Default Re: Underground (109)

    great ep, it still brings up the question how much stuff can u bring in 38minutes. obviusly food is the first limiting resource. i'm sure the acients would have something to make food. we need to see more of the city.

    as to why didn't they hide the enterance better, the head genii guy said "our scientists said the radiation isn't harmfull at these levels" and i tend to belive mckay, so while they may be on the right track to makeing a A-bomb they jumped a few steps it seems like they missed the background work. they probebly couldn't detect the radiation so they thought the wraith could either.

    they are going to fast for safty they just want a-bombs and quick they dont care about the other advantages that come with it

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    They didn't think they HAD to hide the entrance better. The barn was not on the proscribed route to the village, it was far off the path. I assume that a Genii usually accompanies new visitors until they're familiar enough with the route to make their own way to/from town. If Shep hadn't gotten them lost, Rodney would never have had to dig out his Everything Detector and picked up the radiation "leakage" which led them to the hatch.

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    Best. Episode. Of. Atlantis. Since. The. Pilot.

    Hell this episode was better than most of Season 7 (again, not that that'd be hard, nearly half of Season 7 was just recycled Season 3 episodes).

    I'm glad the writers are taking risks with Atlantis. The writers on SG1 spent most of the first season doing one-off stories. There weren't many over-riding arcs other than the Goa'uld and Pops' iminent attack, but most of the episodes were one-offs, mostly there to explain the universal constants, showcase each of the characters, and establish the mythos of the show. It wasn't until Season 2 where they really started introducing the running themes, such as the Tok'ra, the Asgard, more Goa'uld System Lords and so on.

    Here, right away, not even half way through Season 1, we've already set up our next enemy beyond the Wraith, and we've established what a clear threat the Wraith present (60 ships, maybe more). Now there is a chance, with the upcomming Atlantis 2-Parter (The Storm & The Eye), that they could kill off this story line too quickly, but I'm hoping the Jeni will become a permanant fixture as running bad guys, especially with Colm Meany involved.

    In case you didn't notice the none-too-subtle directing, Teyla is set up for a major fight with Sora.

    Anyway, back to this episode. Everything about it was great. Every character got to do something, with only Ford dissapearing into the background occasionally. Weir was consistant, Sheppard was great, Teyla had lots to do and McKay... well, McKay was McKay. You can't fault McKay.

    Also, this episode has the best one-liner yet from, yes, McKay:

    "It's atomic readings in Amish-Land; your call!"

    I think that tops "Listen, kiddies, everything you believe to be true is wrong and trust us because oh we've been here almost an hour!" from two weeks ago. I mean, McKay had a lot of good lines in that particular episode ("Of course it's different - veal is delicious" and "That's not quiet, that's talking!"), but the one from this episode wins out over those.

    McKay was an absolute riot this week. If anyone's wondering why, when faced with guns and execution, McKay starts helping them it's because McKay never passes up an opportunity to show people how smart he is ("Did I mention that I know almost everything about almost everything?"). He'll help anyone if he can show them just how much smarter he is than everyone around him.

    McKay rocks, and I still praise the writers for dumping the Ingram character and deciding to go with McKay instead.

    Other than that it's hard to describe just how much I loved this episode. I REALLY hope that they don't destroy the plotline they've set up in The Storm & The Eye.

    Anyway, I'll wrap this up. This gets 5.5/5. How is that possible? Simple, it's a 5/5 episode any episode that McKay is in (even if it's just the opening titles) gets +.5 points, so, again, 5.5/5 for that one.
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    Re: Underground (109)

    'Fraid this was only OK for me again. Was there any real doubt that these 'allies" would prove unreliable? That the plan was useless? That someone else would get annoyed with us for waking the Wraith early?


    Liked Sheppard and Weir. Ford is still a nonentity. Teyla was OK, but they haven't done enough with her.

    McKay was a major annoyance. In SG-1, he was arrogant, sarcastic and really impressed with his own smarts (though we saw cracks in that in Redemption). Which made him minorly annoying. Here, he was downright stupid. Which made him majorly annoying. Does gate travel cause diarrhea of the mouth??I could not believe some of the things that said, apparently without thinking at all.

    Liked the appearance of the two puddle jumpers at the end.

    I still can't figure out what the Wraith are supposed to be. On an individual level, they are so powerful that defeating them seems impossible: they don't seem to age, when they feed they are practically unkillable and so on. But their tech doesn't seem that incredible: the puddle jumper could take the ships out, even an Earth ground weapon could take out a ship, we walk right onto a hive ship--no problems. I still can't see why they ever got close enough to the Ancients to "feed" on them; the Ancients tech seems way superior, and they should have been able to get onto everyone of the hive ships and take them out.

    It seems very inconsistent at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpyguy
    My two cents here:

    The bad--
    1. Food shortage: Can anyone else picture the Ancients in overalls and driving a tractor to raise food? Didn't think so So instead of visiting other planets, shouldn't the team be exploring the city, looking for the Ancient's food "replicator"? It really would be nice to see a little more of the city than we have seen so far.
    They should find little colored cubes, yellow, Thor's favorite, laying around and taste them so we can have a group spewing scene

    And now for something completely different:
    How did Sheppard and McKay get lost in the first place? A scene must have been cut for time. Everyone else is suffering through a Harvest Festival, but they're out getting lost to find the secret entrence to the Underground. Hmmm.
    Sheppard and McKay, the anti-Kirk and Spock

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    Default Re: Underground (109)

    Slightly off topic, but what sg-1 ep was McKay in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToastBusters
    Slightly off topic, but what sg-1 ep was McKay in?
    Redemption and 48 Hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaBlu
    Best. Episode. Of. Atlantis. Since. The. Pilot.
    I agree, It was an excellent ep.


    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaBlu
    "It's atomic readings in Amish-Land; your call!"
    I nearly fell off my couch laughing when he said that.

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    The scary thing is, right before McKay made the comment about "Amish Land" I made comments saying that it looked like a planet full of Amish people. Wow, my natural sarcasm is turning into McKay sarcasm...
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    Is it just me or did the team's morals flip 180 degrees from last week? How is what the Genii planned of doing any different from what was going to happen in 'Poisoning the Well'? The SGA went all nutzo and cut off all relations with one group who planned on killing the Wraith, but along comes another group who want to kill the Wraith and all of a sudden they're all gung-ho. "Hey, lets help these guys build a nuke but we'll turn our backs on the guys with the anti-wraith injection." How does that make sense?

    And before you say something about the high mortality rate, well, that was from the first batch. Who knows, they might be able to fix it in the next couple of weeks, but the SGA will never know cuz they're off helping the shady, lying, sneaky planet build a few nuclear bombs. Which of course could never have any civilian causualties...

    And if Teyla is gonna tag along, then maybe she should learn when not to go telling everyone exactly who woke up the bad guys. You could almost see that Shepard wanted to put her on the first puddle jumper back the farmville. And what is with her trying to save the feeder mouse in the Wraith ship? She couldn't figure out that dragging that guy back would slow them down and alert all the bad guys? And guess what Teyla, you signed on to a plan that would NUKE all of these ships. And unless you planned on hoping the Wraith would let you pack all of these people into busses I doubt they would survive the blast. Plus...PLUS she was all for dragging back the feeder mouse but when her partner got stunned, she bolted. She didn't call for help and try to hold off the single Wraith. She didn't go get help and say, 'Hey, we got a man who needs help. Remember when I saved Shepard after he got shot? We should do the same for this new ally'. Nope. She waited until she got back to the ship and said 'oh by the way, your son in law got shot and I left him. Time to go.' Teyla just peeves me because it seems she abandoned her people. Teal'c did basically the same thing but some how when he did it, it was kinda honorable. Teyla just seems like she wanted to move out of the trailer park and into the comfy suburbs of Atlantis... and that aint cool.

    Back to the show. Colm Meany was cool. In fact, all of the Genii were great. Sneaky, but great. Hopefully they'll show up again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by derrickh
    Is it just me or did the team's morals flip 180 degrees from last week? How is what the Genii planned of doing any different from what was going to happen in 'Poisoning the Well'? The SGA went all nutzo and cut off all relations with one group who planned on killing the Wraith, but along comes another group who want to kill the Wraith and all of a sudden they're all gung-ho. "Hey, lets help these guys build a nuke but we'll turn our backs on the guys with the anti-wraith injection." How does that make sense?


    And guess what Teyla, you signed on to a plan that would NUKE all of these ships. And unless you planned on hoping the Wraith would let you pack all of these people into busses I doubt they would survive the blast. Plus...PLUS she was all for dragging back the feeder mouse but when her partner got stunned, she bolted.


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    Amen. After watching this episode again and reading your post, I have more reasons to be bugged by the illogical parts. Yes, Mckay is funny, I adore him, yes I was glad to see Grodin at the end. I wish he'd come out more, in fact I think they should trade Teyla for Grodin on the team.

    How does it make sense that they didn't want to call attention to themselves by using the wraith killing drug in PtW but would by blowing them up? Isolated incident? Blowing up Wraith is only a minor threat to them? or, they wouldn't know who to attack? Thoughts anyone? Happy to debate or arm wrestle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkQuee1
    It seems very inconsistent at this point.
    Maybe they haven't had their coffee yet.

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