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    I can tell you not to say a contrary opinion if i know yours is wrong...Look at the polls son...its about 68% think that episode was OUTSTANDING...and 1 person voted for bad...and 6 voted for terribble...and about 300 voted for outstanding..so to the contrary of your post...your opinion is a stupid one.
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    Ok, now looking specifically at the episode in question rather than trying to convince people that "everyone is entitled to an opinion" doesn't mean "everyone's opinion is valid".

    I think it's a compliment to the director and the writer and the DP that I was so enthrawled by the episode that I didn't notice the direction nor the lighting like I usually do. I'm very interested in directing and usually go out of my way to look for fun little things the director has done with the camera, or some nifty trick the DP has done with the lighting (Jim Mernard you are GOD!). This time around I didn't notice it at all. The episode had me right from the start.

    I must say howeve that I'm bias towards any episode that involves lots of reoccuring minor characters, and just hearing Pierce mentioned let along seeing him is enough to get me to enjoy an episode. I like it that the writers have chosen to keep the other people at the SGC consistent. We had a lot of Major Pierce in Season 5 and 6, and that switched over to Colonel Reynolds throughout Season 7 and early Season 8. It's good to see that the writers haven't forgotten about good ol' Major Pierce and, more importantly, they've chosen to promote him!

    Then there was M'Zel, who I'm glad we got to see again, even if it was for the last time. He was a very strong character in Death Knell and I'm glad that they kept him consistent in this episode. His "I die free!" was very fitting.

    Walter was, as usual, fantasitc. "That would be a no." ROFLMAO!

    Essentially I like it how the writers have worked out that we like minor characters and, more importantly, we like it when minor characters continue to show up, rather than them just going through the extras pool of Vancouver.

    The presence of these characters and the good parts they were given made the epsiode for me. Thankfully, it continued to get better.

    The NID guys were just EVIL. Killing MILLIONS of Jaffa in a single episode. That's some heavy stuff, and seeing Teal'c and M'Zel's reaction to it was fantastic. I'm glad they've been stopped, for a time, but the NID storyline just got interesting again!

    Jack surprised me in this episode. He was really unable to answer Colonel Pendergast's (it was Pendergast right, on the Prometheus?) calls for orders. And his comment to SG-1 at the end was not so much sarcastic as it was caustic. I hope that wasn't an accident and this gets followed up.

    I'm definately watching this episode again, this time with a view to actually paying attention to the directing. The only thing that wasn't good about this episode was that Atlantis this week was better!

    I really want a Season 9 now more than ever, but my optimism is at an all-time low of that ever happening. It figures too, just after Stargate has managed to claw its way out of that hole it found itself in during the first half of Season 7, the show ends! AHH! Very frustrating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani347
    Good manners. Since when did that become too PC?
    You miss my point.

    "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" is not the same thing as "Everyone's opinion is equally valid". Not all opinions are valid. Lots of opinions are wrong.

    The idea of just letting everyone say what they want and not calling anyone on anything even when they're clearly wrong, that's what's too PC for my taste. If someone is wrong, where's the problem with pointing this out?

    Hiding under the banner of "But it's just my opinion!" doesn't work. Everyone has a right to an opinion, this is true, but as I said, not all opinions are valid and not all opinions are correct.

    To put it another way, in any argument there are always two sides - someone who's right, and someone who isn't. Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal
    Hmm.... Yes, you've got something there. He's not having an good or easy time of this, especially because he's not only making those hard decisions, but he's not there making sure personally that they're working out. If I'd been in his position, I'd have done the same thing - waited it out to see if my friends could find a way. If that makes me compromised, you're prob right. My mom kept saying, 'shoot the ship!', and I said to her, 'but Sam and Daniel are still on board!'. I can't remember her answer, but all I know is that I'd not do well in this position. I wonder what the ramifications of this will be for Jack?
    I was kind of with your mom. I kept thinking that they needed to show Jack being able to give that order and he really never did. The ending, with the "tough choice" and then Jack turned and I thought there was a kind of a grim little smile. I wasn't totally sure how to take that but I kind of get the feeling Jack may be wondering if he should be in this position. Will there be ramifications down the road? We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes
    I was kind of with your mom. I kept thinking that they needed to show Jack being able to give that order and he really never did. The ending, with the "tough choice" and then Jack turned and I thought there was a kind of a grim little smile. I wasn't totally sure how to take that but I kind of get the feeling Jack may be wondering if he should be in this position. Will there be ramifications down the road? We'll see.
    It's kind've inconsistent in a way. Jack has already made the "hard choice" when it comes to Carter. He killed her in Entity (although her consciousness survied, but he couldn't've known that). He's had to make that decision before.

    There was something very odd about Jack's actions in this episode, and as I said above, I really hope they weren't an accident caused by directing, acting and editing. I hope they were intentional as it really shifts my opinions of him around and should help to create a very uneasy attitude in future eps.

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    I'm going to be honest- you guys SHOULD stop complaining. It isn't good, and if you are SG:1 fans than you wouldn't complain about every damn episode like it was the end of the world.

    It isn't healthy for everyone else on these boards when you are a negative person who cries over the smallest matters. Major Fischer looks for every little bad thing about the episode and calls the episode on it. That pretty much tells me that major Fischer does not like Stargate. If you are going to tear every damn episode to threads why watch the damn show?

    You guys seem to forget this is possibly our last season, and all most of you can do is bash the season for the every little hole you can find. Why? To make yourselves feel better? To make people here who actually like the show feel bad and think that the season is horrible? You are influencing people to hate the show.

    It's really sad that a Stargate fan nitpicks every little thing they find. You guys are really making the whole experience of season 8 less FUN. As I said before- I can nitpick every damn episode and make it sound like a ****ty episode. It doesn't ONLY work for season 8, and I have seen episodes worse than these season 8 episodes. They are scattered all over the seasons. But none of them are as bad as Major Fischer makes them out to be.

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    Well, I loved this episode.

    I couldn't help comparing it to Covenant when I kept looking at the clock during the (seemingly two-hour) scene with Sam and Colson wondering if it would ever end and Colson would stop yammering on. During this episode I glanced at the clock and was surprised to see there were only five minutes left. This ranks (for me), as one of the best of the season so far.

    Loved Daniel in it. Just loved him. Believe me, I'm as eager as anyone out there for more episodes about mythology, as those are my favorites, but I didn't have a problem with him doing the interrogation. He's as knowledgeable as anyone else about who the possible gate abducters might have been. They needed him there to tie into the blackmail plot from earlier too. And who's to say he was the only one doing the questioning? He's just the only one we saw.

    As far as Daniel going to rescue Sam, yes, in years previously that would have been Jack. But Jack has General Hammond's job now, and General Hammond wouldn't have gone. He'd have stayed on earth to oversee Stargate Command, report to the President and make the tough decisions.

    I can see why people might question why it was Daniel, but I can also make allowances for story necessity. Jack had to send somebody. Do I want him to send Daniel, or some more qualified military random SGC guy? I don't care about some random SGC guy.

    Also they had no way of knowing that Daniel's Ancient knowledge wouldn't prove useful. Daniel will never be military (I hope!), but over the years he's obviously gained a lot of experience. We've seen it. We don't know what training he's received, but he's a long way from the Daniel we met at the beginning of the series. Yet I thought he was still a little bit of a bumbler, thank goodness. I think he set his zat down when he was working on the computer (probably a military no-no), and managed to get himself zatted from behind.

    Loved the scene at the beginning with Walter and the other guy. Loved Daniel's "coffee" joke when talking with the two airman. Loved the whole President exchange. Loved the Jack and Daniel exchange when Daniel was preparing to head up to the ship. Loved Sam and Daniel's look at each other when Daniel sat down beside her. Loved Sam fighting with her hands tied behind her and loved her excellent bluff (or was it a bluff?) about the planet.

    Loved Jack's dilemma at the end. Perhaps he's a little too emotionally tied to SG-1? Interesting thought--had it been another team he isn't as close to, would the decision have been as difficult? I'd like to say yes, but I'm not sure.

    I'll agree with those who didn't like Sam's leather getup. What on earth were they thinking? What a strange thing to wear. And the NID guys were cardboard villains, but the NID guys are always cardboard villains, seems to me.

    This one joins New Order, Lockdown, and Avatar as my favorite episodes of Season 8 so far. Come to think of it, I liked Icon and Sacrifices too, although not as much. Overall I'm really enjoying this season. I'm also liking how close the SG-1 team seems, especially after Season 7, when some of them went episodes hardly saying two words to each other.

    I'll add a MHO, just because it seems like a good idea.
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    Well I am glad someone else enjoyed this episode! Seems like some of us are going to get more out of season 8!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shivan
    Well I am glad someone else enjoyed this episode! Seems like some of us are going to get more out of season 8!
    Really. The glass is half full.....

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    I enjoyed this episode immensely! Walter is killing me! He definitely needs more screen time! I loved the SciFi and team feel. The episode felt more like Stargate. There was nit-picky stuff that felt out of step. IMO, since I have watched Season 1-6, then I could feel the "holes", but for new viewers to Stargate, they might not know any different. Scenes that Jack would have done are now done by Daniel which isn't bad but I was wondering, "Where's Jack?" I could feel the reduction of RDA's schedule and the multiple episode filming in this episode; but I choose to overlook it, and consider this one of the best episodes so far this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token
    IMO, since I have watched Season 1-6, then I could feel the "holes", but for new viewers to Stargate, they might not know any different. Scenes that Jack would have done are now done by Daniel which isn't bad but I was wondering, "Where's Jack?" I could feel the reduction of RDA's schedule and the multiple episode filming in this episode; but I choose to overlook it, and consider this one of the best episodes so far this season.
    Let's face it we're mostly hard-core viewers of Stargate here. Seen every episode. We're the first to notice if things feel "off". I think a lot of our nits come from our familiarity with the characters and the show. RCC was quoted in an interview as saying that Jack would be heavy in the beginning and end of the season and light in the middle. I'll always miss Jack but I've adjusted.

    I get the feeling that they're sometimes writing scenes with Jack in mind and if RDA isn't available they fill in with someone else. There's been a couple of times when the words and actions coming from Daniel sounded or felt just like Jack. It's nice to see the characters grow and change but sometimes there's no explanation and it seems they're acting "out of character" - at least to the diehard fans.

    I remember reading that Robert Picardo said he might be appearing on SG-1 in the first half of season 7. Never happened. The interrogation scene might have been originally intended for Picardo's character. Perhaps the budget wouldn't cover another guest actor and they just slotted Daniel into that scene. I don't know, just speculating. I think they're trying to produce the best show they can within the parameters they have to work with.

    I enjoyed New Order I&II, Lockdown, Zero Hour and Avatar a lot, Sacrifices and Endgame were also pretty good. The other three episodes had some nice parts but overall didn't work for me. That's 7 out of 10 I enjoyed which still makes me a fan (I think) even if I have a few nits along the way.
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    AHEM

    can we discuss the episode and not each other????

    I can guarantee you that there is no single episode in existence that everyone will like, nor is there one that everyone will dislike.

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    Liked this episode - but I think the whole "Jack" issue needs to be looked at BIG PICTURE, rather than just in this episode. This whole season kind of has an arc going with Jack adjusting to being general. Yes, I think that he struggled with the decision of puting "his" team at risk. Yes, I think he was indecisive at critical times in this episode. But I think the key to his indecision wasn't necessarily "should I risk my friends' lives" - we've seen him make those decisions before with a lot less difficulty. I think that the big difference now is that he is making the decision, but not executing the plan. It's one thing to pull the trigger yourself and another to order someone else to pull the trigger. I think he is actually feeling LESS in control, because when he is in the field making decisions he is making them based on full knowledge of his own capabilities and potential for "making everything right" or dealing with the consequences himself. When he has made life and death decisions regarding his team in the past, he has been right there with them, ready to die himself if need be. Now he is in a bunker somewhere, basically powerless to actually help. I think that realization really hit him in this episode, and I think we will see some development in the second half of the season that addresses this.

    The only other thing I guess I would say is "Was it just me or did we have ANOTHER Earth-based episode?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    AHEM

    can we discuss the episode and not each other????

    I can guarantee you that there is no single episode in existence that everyone will like, nor is there one that everyone will dislike.
    Take that back! Everyone loves Window Of Opprotunity.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal
    Daniel is 2IC of the base now? Did I miss a memo?

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    Apparently; it was send out last month on the the fifth Monday. <G> I said "appears" to be. And it does look that way to me. So, it makes me happy and I'm sticking to it.

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    I was really looking forward to seeing this ep. (After moving to college and finding out they didn't have Sci fi channel...ahhh!!! ) as I would be home this weekend. I wasn't dissapointed in the slightest. I found it to be a very entertaining episode with some great lines. "You went to get COFFEE!!"..Lol.

    My only qualm was it seemed a bit rushed. I would have really liked to see this as a two part ep. Ah, well. It was lots of fun regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skydiver
    AHEM

    can we discuss the episode and not each other????

    I can guarantee you that there is no single episode in existence that everyone will like, nor is there one that everyone will dislike.
    Thank you Moderator!

    As for the episode:
    I'm all for Sam wearing civvies on covert missions--but something more practical than the tight leather in mission #2 would have seemed more appropriate to me. At least she seemed to be wearing body armor in the first mission. (I might have to go back and check that.)
    I was also disturbed by Jack's indecision at the end. Sure a moment or so to see if they could get themselves out of it is reasonable--and something Hammond would have done, I think. On the other hand, the writers didn't seem to take the easy route out here. I would see that scenario as being, SG1 gets out just as Jack gives the order to fire & they blow up the Alkesh (sp.). Perhaps we'll see some interesting consequences from this episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shivan
    I'm going to be honest- you guys SHOULD stop complaining. It isn't good, and if you are SG:1 fans than you wouldn't complain about every damn episode like it was the end of the world.
    Well, excuse me. We're not cultist. SG1 isn't our god. And, people get more leeway in questioning holy figures than it seems they get criticizing a tv show around here.

    It isn't healthy for everyone else on these boards when you are a negative person who cries over the smallest matters.
    Healthy? Do you feel any sharp abdominal pains? Migraines? Uncontrollable urge to cry? Perhaps you hear voices?
    Major Fischer looks for every little bad thing about the episode and calls the episode on it. That pretty much tells me that major Fischer does not like Stargate. If you are going to tear every damn episode to threads why watch the damn show?
    Maybe Major Fischer just sees things that she feels aren't good. When someone says an episode is good, no one says they have to "look" for it. Why does it matter to anyone why Major Fisher or anybody else watches the show? You watch it. You like it. That should be enough.

    You guys seem to forget this is possibly our last season, and all most of you can do is bash the season for the every little hole you can find. Why? To make yourselves feel better? To make people here who actually like the show feel bad and think that the season is horrible? You are influencing people to hate the show.
    Whoo boy! Where to start with this. Lets see. So, freaking what if this may be our last season. People complaining doesn't make it the last season. People saying "Stargate is the greatest show, and I'm going to name my first born Teal'c, and change my name to Sam and dye my hair, and I looooove Stargate to widdle bitty pieces" isn't going to give it an extra season. And, lets see, why do people voice negative opinions? Well, of course! It must be because they need to "make themselves feel better" Hey, Major Fischer, were you feeling bad when you posted your opinion? Did voicing it suddenly give you a new found boost of confidence that you didn't have before? I never noticed voicing my opinion "made me feel better" or even that I needed to feel better. And, if people who like the season can suddenly change their minds because someone disagrees, obviously, they didn't have very strong opinions on how great it was in the first place. And, feel bad? Sorry. People disagree vehemently about Daniel, ship, Sam, Jack and Daniel, various episodes, and they never made me feel bad. And, they certainly never influenced me to change my mind. But, if negative opinions are that powerful, I think I'll be negative more often.

    As I said before- I can nitpick every damn episode and make it sound like a ****ty episode. It doesn't ONLY work for season 8
    And, if people voiced a negative opinion about other seasons, they'd get jumped on for that.

    and I have seen episodes worse than these season 8 episodes. They are scattered all over the seasons. But none of them are as bad as Major Fischer makes them out to be.
    In your opinion.

    Sorry, I never signed up to be a Pollyanna. Stargate isn't my god. The people who make it are human are fallible and make mistakes. If I see something I feel is good, I'll say it. If I see something that I feel isn't, I'll say it. And, if people can't accept that, well, that's just too bad. And, if I'm mean for talking about an episode in any way I feel, tough cookies.

    Mods feel free to chastise, edit, or delete if any of you deem me to be too harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jyh
    ALso, I hated Jack's hesitation in making the big decision. I know he cares about his team, but he's a military officer and he's been in tough situations before and I really don't think he would have hesitated so long to make that decision. Yes, I know, it was all part of the plot, but it really seemed out-of-character.

    And lastly, I thought it ended rather abruptly and anti-climatically. I think they would have (and should have) tried to take over the ship. Why didn't they? It would have been a good half-season-ender to have them go off in search of the remaining Trust people/person and go into hyper-drive.
    I have to totally agree. It made me mad that Jack didn't give the word. He certainly didn't hestitate to shoot Daniel in an earlier episode, so why not give the word?

    And yes, the episode ended rather blah. No cliff hanger.

    I enjoyed the humor at the beginning of the episode and really liked the plot of making the Jaffa suspect the Tok'ra was releasing the poison. Do we know how long the poison will last on those planets? Didn't care for the Tok'ra operative. And they killed one of the best Jaffa warriors!

    Going back to Affinity, it was nice Teal'c has an apartment while his Jaffa brothers have to live in tents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shivan
    I'm going to be honest- you guys SHOULD stop complaining. It isn't good, and if you are SG:1 fans than you wouldn't complain about every damn episode like it was the end of the world.

    We are discussing the episode. There will be good and not so good eps. That's expected. What I dislike most is when a plot doesn't make sense to the rest of the SG1 story arc.

    I am truly missing Jack's interaction as a team member!

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