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    I enjoyed this ep. I'm not a big fan of Jaffa stories, but this one had enough tidbits to make me want to view it again. Once again, my fave parts consist of character moments.

    The Jack-Teal'c scene, when they were playing ping-pong, was great! RDA's comic timing is wonderful. He didn't play ping-pong with Teal'c, he was a target.

    The Sam-Daniel scene, when they were both inwardly moaning at what they'd gotten themselves into with a Jaffa wedding take place on base; it was cute! Super fake smiles, and both being afraid to tell Jack.

    Jack-Daniel scene, when Daniel was explaining everything under the sun, when all Jack wanted was how he was doing. I also got a kick out of this scene, because I'd read someone's Con report, and MS talked about screwing up this one scene over and over. They wanted it in one continuous take, and poor MS kept messing up. (((MS)))

    The Sam/Jack scene... k, I'm a shipper, let me take a moment to SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! *takes deep breath* K, nuff said.

    I'm not a fan of Jolene Blalock, so I have prob getting into her character. But, I like the idea of a female warrior (can you image Lucy Lawless playing Ishta?), so I can over-look some of the things I'm not crazy about with Jolene.

    Moloc reminded me to Joseph Fiennes, brother of Ralph. Just something about him reminded me. I would have liked to have seen more of him, just because I miss the Goauld.

    Rya'c looked younger with his hair cut the way it was.

    Bratac - it was so fun to see comedy from him!

    I'm glad Rya'c's bride-to-be got ticked at the kneeling in front of the groom bit. *woman power!*

    Just why did Ishta let herself get captured again?

    Chris's brother -Jeff- was in the ep, and he played a Jaffa called Aron. Anyone know which one that was?

    Over-all, I enjoyed this ep. Not one of my faves, but I'll definitely be playing this again.

    K, I gotta get this out.. SAM AND JACK SHIP!


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    IMO this was the best episode of the season. They have been rarely going off world, thats something that has been bothering me.

    I really like Ishta, she's a good match for Teal'c. I like the part about changing the old customs of the wedding as well (the kneeling was resolved at the end when Rya'c and Teal'c were joking about some customs needing to be done away with).

    Anybody who doesnt see Jack and Sam end up together at the end of the series just isnt paying attention. Their on screen chemistry is just amazing.

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    Well I for one just sat back and really enjoyed this episode First I have been enjoying the HECK out of CJ this season and it has been a pleasure to see him shine.

    I am a Jolene Blalock fan so I enjoyed her as well and it was nice to see Teal'c and Ishta together again

    I really enjoyed all of the comic moments, I thought they fell into place at the right time and in the right places I never felt that any were out of place or off and I really enjoyed laughing and when they got down to the business of kicking butt offworld I was so very happy that they were OFF WORLD!!!!!! YAY I knew they had a Star Gate some where in there

    I won't say this was the episode that has blown me away but I just really was entertained the entire time I sat there.....and THAT is what I watch SG for so I am a happy fan and being a shipper well had a happy moment there too

    Oh I know someone posted about Teal'c kissing Ishta in the Gateroom...he did that in a BIG way in Birthright so I was surprised that they toned it down for this......Hubs was like all bummed that Teal'c didn't get to lay another BIG one on her (he lived vicariously I think)
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    hi there,
    does anyone know if theres a 30mb mirror of this anywheres atm?? ta v much

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    Here's what I posted on the shipper thread, so if this looks familiar, well... You know why.

    First, I'll say that the whole ep was just great. I think CJ has a real talent, and I'm glad they are using it. The beginning with Daniel and Jack wasn't new to this season, because I think they've done the whole "long-take down the hall" technique enough times during the series, but it was enough to throw Daniel/Jack friendship fans a bone, while also appealing to my desire to see them in scenes together.

    Then there was Jack/Teal'c. Hilarious scene! Just great. The physical comedy apparently is what they were going for, and RDA totally nailed it. It was another great friendship scene. And, apparently, Teal'c is really good at ping pong. Jack getting his last shot in was quite funny.

    The scene with Sam/Daniel and Ry'ac and his fiancee was great, too. I thought it was just funny how the two of them got this look on their faces like, "Oh, crap... Jack's gonna hurt someone." It was a good scene, and showed that very endearing sisterly-brotherly relationship they've always had. I'm glad they did that again, because it's been lacking in past seasons.

    Finally, there's the Sam/Jack combo, where the two of them apparently couldn't keep their hands off of each other. Haha! Just kidding. It was a great scene, because it was "physical" enough for us shippers, and also "friendly" enough for those who don't want ship. AND it finally showed how comfortable those two can be together. In the past - in the interest of showing overt ship - they always made it really awkward between the two of them. The fact that these two are friends first is a great way of approaching the ship, IMO, and they played it off very well. The whole hall scene had a humor that rivals the Daniel/Jack humor scenes, which is refreshing, and all of the kids/horses/general chaos made me smile.

    I don't want to put the other writers of the show down, because they're great, but I have to say that I'm not surprised that CJ managed to put some great team-scenes in there, while still not having all four of them in the same room together.


    Also, TPTB has done a phenomenal job of making it seem that Jack is always there. I almost forgot about RDA's reduced schedule, they did so well.

    Definitely a 9.9 out of 10.

    ADDENDUM:
    I'll admit that I was a little disappointed with the way the actor who plays Ry'ac acted, only because he did a really good job when he was a little kid, which is weird... You'd think you'd get better as you get older, eh? At any rate, his fiancee was a little... awkward, but nonetheless tolerable.

    Enterprise isn't exactly my "thang," but I don't have a problem with Miss T'Pol, and I thought that the scene between Teal'c and Ishta was rather well-done. Too me, the one-on-one scenes that were done (and Lord knows there were a bunch!) were done well. I mean, forced comedy is one thing, but fluid and easily maintained comfortability among the actors/characters is another, and they never cease to pull that off, IMO, whether the plot or story is faulty, or not. Does that make sense?

    Plus, Bra'tac was pretty good, too. Now, all we need is General Hammond and Jacob Carter, and we've got the Stargate Forefathers... or Elders... or something. I really miss those guys. Come to think of it, I really miss Janet. But that's another thread-topic entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zats
    . Oh, and Ry'ac reminded me a tad of Anakin Skywalker in Attack of the Clones (not a good thing. I HATED that guy, and I like Star Wars.)
    OMG! ME TOO! OMG I was watching that scene where Teal'c & R'yac were talking at the end! And I was just like "Hayden Christensen...he SOUNDS AND ACTS LIKE HAYDEN CHRISTENSEN!"

    *breaths*

    But I've never been a massive R'yac fan!! Lol!

    I REALLY LIKED THIS EP! It was good! I love Chris Judge's episodes, his episodes are the only Jaffa-centred ones I really like. I usually find Jaffa eps boring...*snores*

    Although I always love a good, going off-world fighting the Goa'uld episode!!

    Loved the horse walking through the hallway *laughs hysterically* That was so funny!! And I loved the team interaction in this ep!

    I didn't notice that "Zat" thing
    But thinking back - it is a bit strange isnt it?

    Lol...i'll put it down to rebel jaffa picking it up off the tauri and the normal jaffa picking it up off the rebel jaffa...or something along those lines!

    I mean we been calling em zat's for years
    It must've just caught on

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    Well, I came to this one not expecting much - Jaffa episodes aren't really my thing and only a couple of exceptions over the years have interested me. Nor did I find Birthright or Ishta particularly interesting last time around. So I wasn't expecting to be entertained at all.

    How wrong can one fan be?

    I loved every moment of this. It had the perfect mix of action, comedy and interesting characters. We had a little bit of everything - the gate in action, some offworld adventure, genuine thrills, terrific character relationship and oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, CJ for giving us back the real O'Neill. After the somewhat subdued General of previous weeks this was our beloved leader back in sparkling form. In fact, everyone seemed to be in sparkling form and enjoying themselves thoroughly.

    I even found Ishta a much more interesting and sympathetic character this time around and I actually cared what happened to her. The more obvious 'feminist' cliches of Birthright were toned down this time around, so the female Jaffas didn't irritate me quite as much either.

    Loved too many moments to list them all - especially after just one viewing on a 30mb dl <g> - but just a couple that stand out. Loved the horses coming through the Gate. Loved Daniel and Sam reacting to the news that the wedding was going to be held at the SGC. Loved the teaser - right there and then I knew I was in for a treat. "What was my question again?" "It seemed so innocuous at the time." LOL! Bra'tac was hilarious. The way that Teal'c moped through the gateroom talking about being betrayed had me ROTFLing. Talk about your drama queen. <g> And the ping pong - ROTFL! And just had to laugh at Moloc trying to disdainfully dust off the laser sight. It was also terrific to see Jack and Bra'tac bouncing comedy off one another. "O'Neill...of Minnesota." And this little exchange was just a lovely character moment between Jack and Teal'c:

    "T...?"
    "My head is down, O'Neill."

    Unusually too, this time around CJ spread the wealth around and gave a lot of time, excellent dialogue and screen moments to most of the characters, rather than concentrating almost solely on Teal'c, as in his previous writing projects. And that made a huge difference to this fan when it came to enjoying the episode. Not that I didn't enjoy Teal'c on screen - on the contrary. I was enthralled with the story thread involving him and Ishta and certainly wasn't bored by the elements offworld either. But it was just nice to see some focus on everyone else too.

    Yup, definitely one of my favourites of the season so far (and I've loved the season so far) and one that I'll revisit often.

    You came up trumps this time, CJ!

    Chris's brother -Jeff- was in the ep, and he played a Jaffa called Aron. Anyone know which one that was
    Wasn't Aron the Jaffa who was with Teal'c and Ishta after the attack? The one Teal'c zatted because he didn't trust and who rescued him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingjedi
    Anybody who doesnt see Jack and Sam end up together at the end of the series just isnt paying attention. Their on screen chemistry is just amazing.

    Did someone say something? Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
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    I didn't think much to this episode. I didn't know anything about this episode before hand. It had a very tired feel to it. I wasn't particularly interested in Teal'c spawn. I don't think we got a reason why Teal'c decided to attend the wedding. Blalock didn't impress me much with her 'acting' talent. Jack seemed didn't seem like a General - the scene when Jack appeared to be forced into giving Ishtar and her band of mercenary handmaidens refuge. The main idea was ok but the execution left a lot to be desired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dani347
    Sorry, I wasn't paying attention.
    Apparently not, anybody can see Sam and Jack will end up together. It is their destiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majorsal
    Jack-Daniel scene, when Daniel was explaining everything under the sun, when all Jack wanted was how he was doing. I also got a kick out of this scene, because I'd read someone's Con report, and MS talked about screwing up this one scene over and over. They wanted it in one continuous take, and poor MS kept messing up. (((MS)))
    I read that con report as well and that made the hallway scene much more fun to watch! I kept thinking of MS just trying to get the words out while RDA patiently walked down the hall with him for 5 takes.

    Chris's brother -Jeff- was in the ep, and he played a Jaffa called Aron. Anyone know which one that was?
    Oh, I didn't know that was Chris' brother!! He had a really nice part. Albion is correct, Aron was that Jaffa who was with Ishta and Teal'c as they escaped from the tent. The one Teal'c zatted, who later proved himself by saving Teal'c.

    Quote Originally Posted by dancerofspaz
    Finally, there's the Sam/Jack combo, where the two of them apparently couldn't keep their hands off of each other. Haha! Just kidding. It was a great scene, because it was "physical" enough for us shippers, and also "friendly" enough for those who don't want ship. AND it finally showed how comfortable those two can be together. In the past - in the interest of showing overt ship - they always made it really awkward between the two of them. The fact that these two are friends first is a great way of approaching the ship, IMO, and they played it off very well.
    I like Sam and Jack very much as friends and thought this was a fun scene.

    Actually, all the little interactions between SG-1 were good in this episode. CJ has a real feel for all the characters.
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    Okay chaps, this being the 'Sacrifices' thread it'd be appreciated if we could discuss 'Sacrifices'. About six dozen threads already exist for discussing S/J in isolation. (Okay, probably nearer three threads than six dozen threads, but my point is the same.)

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    *Happy to be blind*

    Anyway, this was better than Covenant. But, that's not saying much. I liked the Jack/Daniel scene in the beginning. Teal'c was good. Not sure about Ish'ta. I liked the differences of opinion between her and Teal'c, though. Liked Daniel/Sam. And Jack/Teal'c. Nice moments there.

    I could have tolerated the scene with Jack and Sam, except for the disgusting hands on the shoulder, uncomfortable look, which I guess was meant to signal some "connection" between them. Sorry, everytime they do it, it looks forced and fake

    Also, Moloc was one puny looking goa'uld. Didn't have the majesty of the others.

    I'm glad they didn't kill Bra'tac.
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    Good episode. Most everyone else already hit the high points (the humor, etc.) I too **loved** the opening scene w/ Jank & Daniel. And the ping-pong. Way to write, CJ!!

    I do have two quibbles, one of which had already been mentioned. Who knew Jack was running day-care for homeless aliens? I understand the reason for letting these people (the Haktar?) have sanctuary until they can find another planet. But we should have seen more believable reaction to the very unmilitary atmosphere of the SGC. (Yes, I realize there was nowhere else to put these people, but it just seemed way too casual. Ironically, earlier in the evening SciFi aired the episode in which we meet the Tollan, and General Hammond all but restricted them to a multi-purpose room.) (Plus, that ep was the first time we meet Narim... and then in the Atlantis episode.... Can you imagine not being familiar w/ Stargate, and seeing those two episodes in the same evening??)

    My second quibble was that the tension between Rayac & his fiance seemed to be resolved too quickly. Now, somebody had the extreme nerve to speak to me and distract me after Teal'c, Ishta, etc. got back to earth, and I did see that Teal'c & Rayac were having a conversation as they walked through the SCG (where do they think they are, The West WIng??), altho I didn't hear most of it. (grrr!) But it seemed the very next scene was the wedding.

    I really did enjoy the humor of this episode and while I'm not a big fan of Jolene Blalock or of a Teal'c/Ishta relationship, I thought it was overall a pretty good ep. I just think Jack should have maintained military protocol a bit more strongly. It was just a bit too casual, even for him.

    Since some people are rating this episode, I'll give it a 7.5/10.
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    Jolene Blalock is a good actress. I wasn't sure before, but now I'm convinced. When she came out of the gate I kept thinking that she's acting kinda like a drug addict. With the labored breathing, sunken features, and hunched shoulders. And it was the same thing through the entire episode. When Ishta was on the screen I kept wondering if I was the only one that could see that this woman was fiending for a fix. Is everyone blind to her problem? Someone needs to start an intervention or something.

    But then, once they got on the planet and Ishta mentioned that she had lost her stash of tritonen, it all became clear. Jolene was acting like an addict because, basically, Ishta is an addict for tritonen. Now THATS acting. Without ever coming out and saying it, but only through her posture and affected speech, Jolene was able to get across a major character trait of Ishta. Teal'c is in the same situation but for some reason he doesn't show it as much. Only for a few seconds after the battle at the UAV did it look like he really needed a tritonen fix.

    It leads to the question if the SGC has really helped the Jaffa with the whole tritonen thing. From one perspective, it looks like they've made a lot of Jaffa totally dependent on Earth for a constant supply of a drug where as before, a single g'ould larve would last for 90 years.

    The episode was good and Judge is getting a lot better as a writer. His take on all the characters is a bit different that most of the other writers and which leads to a lot less screen time for everyone else (It would have been easy to skip over Daniel's and Sam's scenes altogether). And Judge is a genius becase so far, he's always written in a huge liplock with himself and a hottie. You the man, Chris.

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    I wasn't really looking forward to this episode. I do love Teal'c, but the whole Jaffa thing has never interested me all that much, and I didn't like Birthright at all last year.

    I was pleasantly surprised though. It had some great scenes with all the team members, which I always enjoy. The Sam/Daniel scene was adorable. I loved the smiles on their faces. The teaser was simply classic Jack and Daniel. I love it when Daniel babbles on in professor-mode, although I don't know if MS likes it all that much. And Jack's innocuous question.

    I loved the reactions of the team to the Jaffa and all their animals taking over the SGC. Jack and Bra'tac were great together..."you old coot". And there were quite a few other moments as well.

    I think they did a good job of integrating the Jaffa storyline with the rest of the cast, better than in the past, anyway. I'm never going to be a big fan of this particular arc, but I liked it better than Covenant, at least.

    All in all, I felt it was a good episode.
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    I was disappointed with the episode. I did enjoy the individual scenes with Jack and Teal'c, Teal'c with Ryac, and the horses. Funny, but I didn't care for the plot that much.

    I thought Jack was sleep walking through the story. Very little emotion except for the ping pong match.

    Seeing Teal'c with the two staff weapons was cool. I called him a two-pistol tot'n Jaffa.

    In Birthright, I thought Teal'c a chauvinist and still felt it in this ep. So what is wrong with several smaller attacks than one big attack again the Goa'uld? You don't really see him supporting Ishta's ideas.

    I did laugh when Teal'c and Ishta saw all the Jaffa in front of the Stargate, and Teal'c said 'the Stargate is well guarded.' No kidding!

    The one thing I did notice A LOT was the reduction of special effects. I understand you have to save money and time with production of the eps, but I do miss seeing the special effects. At the beginning, after the Jack/Daniel walk/talk, you see Bra'tac and Teal'c walking down the ramp. The puddle looked like a movie. You don't see the puddle that much with entrances or exits of characters. You don't see people getting zat or shot up like before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikingjedi
    anybody can see Sam and Jack will end up together. It is their destiny.

    I certainly hope so!! They are so cute together and I loved the corridor scene! i also loved how the horse went down the hall and they watched, I was almost falling out of my seat laughing.

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    My first post, so be gentle.....
    I had to join the forum so I could say how much I LOVED the episode. To me it had the feel of an old Stargate episode, with all the new trimmings. There was real humor - you gotta love a goofball general - and just enough action to be in perfect balance with the character stuff. I loved seeing the glowing eyes again, and Bra'tac, and Ryac growing up, and even Apophis was mentioned. Like hearing about old friends. Thank you CJ for combining the old with the new and giving the show some genuine heart.

    I'm not a real shipper, but I liked the hands-on-the-shoulders scene with Sam and Jack. I thought it was both a wink and a nod to fandom.

    And how great to see more of RDA! He looked like he got his mojo back for this one.
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    Responding to some of the 'shippers' as they seem to have dubbed themselves...

    Jack and Sam *would* be good together, but I majorly object to the TV cliche of teasing a relationship for years and years without moving forward in it, so I was pleased in Grace when Sam decided to move on.

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    Blalock is a better actress than you'd realize from watching Enterprise, but it's still bad mojo!

    What I didn't like about Ishta in this episode is that...I don't know, after portraying a 'strong, female warrior,' we get her crying and fawning around before Molok and Teal'c, and practically bringing herself to tears at the start when yelling at Teal'c about not supporting R'yac. I mean...wouldn't a strong, female warrior try a little harder not to cry quite so easily? We only see Sam crying either when a friend's life is in jeopardy or when she's severely tortured like in New Order.

    That being said, I'd rank Sacrifices only behind New Order and Avatar as far as this season's episodes go. I like jaffa episodes, and...well, I don't know, CJ seems to have a different take on his character than the rest of the writers that's interesting to see once in a while. Man...The Warrior...this...those jaffa rebels never get a break, do they?

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