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    My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

    Let's put it this way:

    A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

    And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

    That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Orce
    You make for a good argument, but the episode wasn't that bad. The stalker comment, although it needed more explaining, was kinda like saying that Sam knew what happened and she accepted it and forgave Pete. Don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for Sam/Jack but for now, Pete is a good guy. Also, the soap opera comment. Just because it focuses on emotions and love interests, that doesn't qualify as a soap opera. The acting in this episode is way better than a soap opera(even the annoying little kid). Overall, I found your comments a little negative and maybe a short-sighted.
    well, just so we're clear on the exact meaning of my comments...

    I qualified this a soap-opera-ish because of the STYLE of the ep as a whole NOT because of the emotions and love interests. We've seen plenty of other eps that focused on the same things with a totally different style. Oh the acting is fine, the style wasn't. Of course as you are well aware, this is just MHO so before you call someone 'negative and short-sighted' you should consider that. Last I checked, EVERYONE was allowed to post their opinions here as long as they don't PERSONALLY attack others--which is exactly what you just did to me. I was not attacking ANYTHING but this episode and I do believe forum rules allow me to hate said ep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mio
    How the hell did they get their hands on Asgard transporters?!
    I'm not sure that it was an Asgard transporter... It sounded somewhat like a ring transporter but more like the Atlantis elevator thing.

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    sry you all. i took back what i previously stated about the stalker line. emotions were running a little high and i see the inappropriateness of that comment.

    i still don't sit well with pete. sam is too independent to settle with him. her concerns were justified in the episode. she never should have caved in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orce
    I was hoping for a little more when Jack and Sam were talking about Pete's proposal. That whole scene kinda left me hanging.

    Yeah, a little more as in Sam, Don't DO IT!!!

    Bah!
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    Things I liked:

    • Shirtless Teal'c. Drool. Yes, shallow. And enjoying it.
    • Seeing Teal'c off base. I love seeing his more human side and that development. He was great with the kid and all the training scenes rocked.
    • Daniel making the tough call to translate the symbols. It was a great moral quandry for him. Love it!
    • The cinematography. Very, very nicely filmed episode. Loved the candle shots.
    • Teal'c's apartment. The decorations were priceless. Kudos to the art department on that one.


    Things I didn't like:

    • The bad guys were very one-dimensional. I would have liked more background and depth to them.
    • Drunk guy was such a cliche. I've seen this character on ER thirty times.
    • Teal'c having to move back to base. I liked the development of giving him a life. Now what? he's had a taste of living outside the mountain. Gotta be hard to go back, especially with there being fewer off-world missions and more rebel jaffa out there that need his leadership. He has to be tempted to leave when forced to live in such stifiling conditions now that there are other options -- especially options that include seeing Ishta regularly. Not a good way to keep a valuable asset with the SGC.
    • Pete's proposal. Sam was so stunned. Who proposes without discussing marriage first? Actually, I hated that whole conversation. It was awkward and self-aware. It obviously addressed fandom with the stalker statement. And why in the world are they comparing Sam's job to stalking as equivalent relationship showstoppers? One is creepy and stupid (what cop interrupts a stake out?). The other is a fact of life for most everybody in the armed services or national security areas (which a cop should understand). As Jack said, plenty of people in the SGC have families and I bet none of them stalked their spouses over it. Bad juxtoposition. Awkward conversation. Had to be a better way to handle this.
    • Sam saying yes at the end. What the heck happened there? Doubts all episode and suddenly she's all smiles? Where did that come from? Why did she changed her mind? What the heck was she thinking? Did they cut a scene that explained why she changed her mind?
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    WORST EPISODE EVER!!!

    Everything from the old snoopy neighbor with the cat, to the "karate kid" montage, to the "it's not what you think" setup of Teal'c. Worse than Chimera. And they gave us no clue as to why Sam said yes in the end. I'm sad. If Sam and Jack get together in the end, will I care if I have to go through more of this? Ugh.

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    I am de-lurking just to pipe in my two cents, because I feel pretty strongly about this episode. All I could think while watching was that somehow I had tuned into Law & Order: SG-1. Sorry, but if the writers are branching out into domestic disputes and murder mysteries instead of team missions through the Stargate, it's time to throw in the towel.

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    I enjoyed this episode much more than I thought I would. I thought this would be the worst episode of Stargate, but I was wrong.

    I enjoyed the Teal'c storyline. It was interesting to see him trying to adjust to the life of "ordinary" humans. I liked that he cared about his fellow neighbors. It was his sense of honor and integrity that was used against him.

    I enjoyed the mystery of the "bad" guys. Looks like it could be a very interesting storyline.

    The Sam and Pete storyline I was dreading and was well prepared to never watch the episode again, but I can see the overall feel of the storyline, and I am looking forward with GREAT anticipation of the eventual resolution of the Sam and Jack storyline. I was glad to see the "stalker" issue addressed at least in passing. I was glad to see that Sam is unsure of what she wants for her future, and that she is taking the time to consider her options. I liked Sam's conversation with Jack. It was the most ADULT conversation they have had. Even though I didn't like the fact that she said "yes" and don't want Sam with Pete, I am willing to ride the rollercoster that TPTB have put the Sam and Jack Shippers on.

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    Default Re: Affinity (807) Pete must die!



    Nepotisim is the curse of all entertainment, which is why,
    in their infinite wisdom, our producers are goofing up Stargate with the "Stalker Pete" plot.

    Everybody wants to help their relatives, ok then, which is why Pete needs to die mid-season, leaving Sam mourning her fiancee/spouse, as is proper for members of SG-1. (!)

    Then Dave DeLuise can get back to doing Beneful ads, having gotten lots of useful exposure on one of the most popular shows on cable, and our saddened, but determined team can get back through the gate to kick some goa'uld ass.

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    I can live for months on the one scene with Sam & Jack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Fischer
    My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

    Let's put it this way:

    A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

    And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

    That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.

    See, this is ONE (and I repeat, just ONE) of the shippers' many issues with P. (can't even type out his whole name). Sam is not the kick-a$$, in command, confident woman we've come to expect after 7 years when she's with P. She's diminished in many ways. Sometimes I think it's intentional, to let her slip off that wonder woman pedestal a bit before getting her (rightfully) with Jack, but then I wonder if TPTB even see the changes (for the worse) in the character.

    BAAHHH!

    still too worked up to be eloquent.

    Di

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    Spoilers for 807
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    In new TVZone AT sez her character would not say certain things in 807 ("fans will hate me...") and RC sez it progresses the story line re Pete -- anyone know what scene is being referenced? Also hoping for good explanation of the cryptic conversation between Sam and O'Neill re "if things were different..." "I wouldn't be here..."

    Must say I did not react in mature reasonable fashion to the "yes" -- sceamed obscenities at TV until animals ran from room. As sanity slowly returns, I'm trying to credit Sam for being determined to make full exploration of the Pete relationship.

    Usually watch the second airing but cannot stomach it -- except for how hot O'Neill looked in lab scene!

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    Quote Originally Posted by marimba26
    well, just so we're clear on the exact meaning of my comments...

    I qualified this a soap-opera-ish because of the STYLE of the ep as a whole NOT because of the emotions and love interests. We've seen plenty of other eps that focused on the same things with a totally different style. Oh the acting is fine, the style wasn't. Of course as you are well aware, this is just MHO so before you call someone 'negative and short-sighted' you should consider that. Last I checked, EVERYONE was allowed to post their opinions here as long as they don't PERSONALLY attack others--which is exactly what you just did to me. I was not attacking ANYTHING but this episode and I do believe forum rules allow me to hate said ep.
    I was by no means attacking your comments. I believe that your comments were well thought out and partly true. The last time you checked EVERYONE was allowed to post your opinions? Well, I wasn't attacking you, I was inputting my opinion about your opinion. If that justifies "attacking" you, then I'm sorry. I have had experiences on this forum where let's say a Sam/Jack shipper(no offense people, I qualify as one too) has bashed a thread or comment or episode because it wasn't what they wanted to see. I am by no means comparing people like this to you, but the fact is that it has happened before and it wil happen again.

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    Nah, Stargate started out Episodic, and it was good. Now it's a real living and breathing show, which characters that I WANT to see in more down to earth circumstances of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye
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    In new TVZone AT sez her character would not say certain things in 807 ("fans will hate me...") and RC sez it progresses the story line re Pete -- anyone know what scene is being referenced? Also hoping for good explanation of the cryptic conversation between Sam and O'Neill re "if things were different..." "I wouldn't be here..."

    Must say I did not react in mature reasonable fashion to the "yes" -- sceamed obscenities at TV until animals ran from room. As sanity slowly returns, I'm trying to credit Sam for being determined to make full exploration of the Pete relationship.

    Usually watch the second airing but cannot stomach it -- except for how hot O'Neill looked in lab scene!

    Believe me, you were not the only one screaming at the TV!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Fischer
    My other major issue, besides feeling like a lot of the Sam/Pete thing was forced as a tweek (I don't think they meant it as an insult) at the fans, was the scene with the ring.

    Let's put it this way:

    A black ops air force lieutenant colonel is walking in the park, with tons of people around, within feet, and certainly within ear shot, while her boyfriend discusses the most important national security secret ever.

    And she lets him continue, with little more than a 'you know i can't talk about that.'

    That bothered me a lot more than the romance. It's making Carter look incompetent. She could got to the US Disciplinary Barracks at Leavenworth for that. I'm deadly serious. No matter how many times she's saved the world.
    That was REALLY odd I thought. It didn't make sense at all. He had to get seriously injured for her to even tell him and I distinctly remember that she also told him that the information she was giving him was classified. Makes no sense for them to talk about it in a public place.

    It does make her look incompetant--not a way I like to think of Sam. And you're right, it would get her a nice bunk at Leavenworth. I remember something in a recent interview stating that as a Colonel, Sam would be a credit to military women. I don't think I know any military women who talk about top secret material in public with their boyfriends. It makes Sam look foolish and I don't like that at all.

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    Good episode. Got to see things we hadn't before and opened a few threads we'll have to follow a bit. I don't read way ahead except for one episode ahead of what's shown.

    Got to see more of RDA as BG Oneill. He's getting more used to his role and doing well with it. A bit of impatience and a sort of "off with his head" mentality that serves his position well. Can't wait to see what's next.

    Yes, sad to see Teal'c's 'outside living' jaunt end. Had to give it a try though. It wouldn't have been 'Teal'cish' if he didn't seem a bit over the top to us mere mortals.

    Danny got shot - again - poor guy!! Did enjoy seeing him in civilian clothes. Enjoyed his edgeness. DJ had a bit of a different feel to him tonight. Sort of continuing the change in his character since S7.

    The Jack/Sam conversation was 'loaded' to say the least. Thought the way she finally said 'yes' actually degraded Sam's usual outstanding professionalism. Sort of cheap actually.

    "The Trust" - they'll be back. To bad they killed Simmons. Mayborne anyone?

    A good Friday night outing with the SG1. You don't always have to leave Earth for a good time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anisea
    sry you all. i took back what i previously stated about the stalker line. emotions were running a little high and i see the inappropriateness of that comment.

    i still don't sit well with pete. sam is too independent to settle with him. her concerns were justified in the episode. she never should have caved in.
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    Okay, I hated this ep. Yes, I am a shipper for Jack and Sam. But that is not the only reason. The ep was far too cliche. The Karate Kid scenes, the super hero Teal'c, the silly girl next door with the drunk boyfriend, and don't forget the old lady with the cat!!!

    Teal'c storyline could have been a good one. I enjoy watching eps that feature CJ's acting abilities. For the most part, the poor man has stood around looking mean for eight years when he is a wonderful actor when given the chance at a good storyline. I would have loved it if there had been more meat to Teal'c's storyline.

    The wardrobe department should be fired. Daniel looked ridiculous in the white t-shirt that made a perfectly hunky MS look fat!! How does that happen? Sam's wardrobe, well, I know AT likes pink, but that jacket looked like something she picked up in "1969" or was left over from 1969! She is a light colonel so I know she makes good money, let her dress in civies that show it!

    The scene's were cut too choppy. I was surprised that Peter deLuise directed this one. I usually love his eps but this one didn't do it for me (and it wasn't just the topic).

    Okay, now to the Pete and Sam storyline. She didn't seem happy about the ring, although she did seem happy that he was moving closer. I realize that in the time line of the show, it's probably been at least eight months or more that they have been seeing each other, but other than a couple of off hand mentions of him, there hasn't been anything to indicate that the relationship was to the point of a marriage proposal. Although I was spoiled on this ep, it still didn't seem right that it was moving this fast.

    As far as the stalker line, I don't know whether to be insulted or flattered. I believe that was started in the GW forum so TPTB do pay some attention, but it almost seemed like a slam at the shippers.

    Sam's acceptance was totally off. She says she needs more time in one scene and two scenes later she says yes. The doubts she showed with Jack and the doubts she showed in the car just magically vanished with the raid on the warehouse. Why? It didn't make sense. There needed to be something that would indicate why she made her decision.

    And as far as the kissing in the warehouse, well, talk about totally unprofessional behavior. I just don't see the whole setting as working. I am not sure who wrote this ep, but it was not up to SG1 standards that I have seen in the past. Especially not with the quality eps that we've seen so far in season eight.

    Yes, as a shipper, I was disappointed in this ep for the obvious reasons, but as a SG1 fan, which I have been longer than I have been a shipper, this one was an ep to forget.

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