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    Stuff I forgot to mention!
    - Teal'c has played video games? Heh heh. I don't know why, but I'm actually not surprised.
    - The Goa'uld eye glowing is back! Yay!!
    - Goa'uld Siler! Cool!
    - Virtual Daniel and Sam not knowing they were virtual! Cool!
    - Another new doctor?
    - Dr. Lee is almost becoming a regular character now...
    - Chevron Guy is officially referred to as "Sgt. Harriman" for the first time...
    - Jack/Sam/Daniel: "I'll do it!" Funny. But I wonder how they decided on Daniel?
    - Broken-down Teal'c. We don't see that too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mio
    Who else thought the CG Daniel had wierd eyebrows?

    I thought his hair looked funny. Like he forgot to comb it or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    - Jack/Sam/Daniel: "I'll do it!" Funny. But I wonder how they decided on Daniel?
    - Broken-down Teal'c. We don't see that too often.
    Oh, I agree, the "I´ll do it!"-scene was just lovely. And funny. I thought the reason that Daniel was chosen, was because he didn´t have much experience in 'combat mode', at least not in a strictly tactical way. He couldn´t mess things up too much by overanalyzing the situation.

    And ditto agreement on the Teal'c breakdown scene, I thought that was beautiful and very sad, at the same time. The music highlighted his desperation and defeat, I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liv
    The music highlighted his desperation and defeat, I thought.
    Much like the same music highlighted Jack's repeated defeat in 'The Gamekeeper', yes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    Much like the same music highlighted Jack's repeated defeat in 'The Gamekeeper', yes?


    Yes.

    ... maybe.

    It fit the scene, okay?

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    I loved this ep. The show reminds me of “Window of Opportunity” which I also loved. I liked it how Teal’c give up. It is showing how he is becoming more human. Especially in next week’s ep.

    I like the scene in the infirmary where Teal’c is talking and Sam and Daniel look at each. And then Teal’c says “I am fine”, the look on his face is funny.

    Daniel and Stiler goa’ulds, I would have never thought of that.

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    After last weeks episode, many thought about season 7 went in to my head, and i envisioned S8 turning out like crap, but I really enjoyed this episode, and really liked how they fitted in to many jokes/references, like The Matrix, doom and most of the things Ugly Pig said. Was it just me or did they get the glowing eye thing wrong? it looked very yellow and fake, anyway, I’m not a nitpicker


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    Which is why it pains me to have to point out a... PLOT HOLE! (GASP!!)

    Yes, it's true... I noticed a plot hole, and I noticed it after my first viewing (which I usually don't, so it must have been pretty obvious. I wonder how many people have mentioned it already... I'll have to go back and check once I've posted this). Here goes: Appearantly, the chair was able to read Teal'c's mind in order to make the game more challenging. Well... Back in 'Gamekeeper', the Keeper told SG-1 that his VR system couldn't read his or Sam's minds. In Teal'c's case because of his symbiote, and in Sam's case because of her previous blending with Jolinar. One could argue that Teal'c would no longer be immune since he lost Junior, but then what about the data the residents had on file from six years ago? How'd they get that back then?
    That was my logic when i was trying to sort out the plot hole, but I couldn't figure out why it would have the mental imprint on file from six years ago... or why Sam thought she could have gone into help him.

    As much as I liked the "I'll go," scene, I can't see Sam forgetting it. In fact they could have done a fair bit with Sam feeling guilty that she couldn't go in and help...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Fischer
    That was my logic when i was trying to sort out the plot hole, but I couldn't figure out why it would have the mental imprint on file from six years ago... or why Sam thought she could have gone into help him.
    Waitaminute... Sam should have been the one to go help him! If the chair can't read her mind, there's no risk of the game learning anything from her to make it more difficult!

    Bah, why did I have to notice this? Curse my brilliant brain!

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    Ok, I hate plot holes, so I’ll just make something up, in Gamekeeper, he could access Teal'cs mind, but the Symbiote encrypted the information or something like that, so the Keeper had the information but couldn’t use it, I’m happy now


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    Quote Originally Posted by Replicarter
    Ok, I hate plot holes, so I’ll just make something up, in Gamekeeper, he could access Teal'cs mind, but the Symbiote encrypted the information or something like that, so the Keeper had the information but couldn’t use it, I’m happy now
    Ah, but that doesn't explain how the people on the planet could have stored his data back then (as was revealed in this episode), and how that data is not encrypted!

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    I *really* liked this episode (and I had not thought that I would)--though it was not without problems, including a major one for me with the set-up (further down the post). It was fast-paced and interesting--and a total contrast to the incredibly boring "Icon". A very good Teal'c ep and a pretty good team ep overall. Liked the fact that they trusted each other at the end.

    Loved that Siler was the Goa'uld. I always thought it was suspicious, his hovering around all the time with that wrench. <<g>> And remember how he got Jack into trouble in "Upgrades" by throwing himself over that railing!

    Problems I had:
    1) Even though there was a lot more Jack than I had anticipated--and I liked that!--it still was noticeable that there were things caused by his reduced schedule. There were at least two scenes where, in seasons 1-6, Jack and most likely Hammond would have been present, while here Jack was not there either as Jack or as the base CO. And though they tried to give us an explanation, there is still no doubt in my mind that in seasons 1-6, Jack would have been the one to go in.

    1-1/2) They are still using Jack to explain things to the audience, and it adversely affects the character. The Matrix line was "cute", but we have learned this year (from the stuff on the walls in Jack's office) that he not only has a certificate from the AF Academy for academic excellence, but he also has an engineering degree. There is no way he wouldn't have understood Dr. Lee's statement; I did, and I am non-science all the way. If they weren't sure the general audience would get the point, they should have had Jack say something like, "So what you're saying is....blah blah", instead of needing it explained. They have been doing this for 8 years--using Jack to explain things and thus have him ask questions he wouldn't and shouldn't really be asking--and they need to find another way, as it is to the detriment of the character.

    2) Because of RDA's reduced schedule (I think) they are using Daniel more in military situations, which is a head-scratcher in terms of believability--maybe they should have explained that Sam didn't go in because her scientific knowledge would be more useful on the outside, but they didn't address it, *despite* the fact that Daniel had been compromised in the scenario by being the Goa'uld. Or, are we to assume that Daniel was sent in precisely *because* he was not an expert--Sam saying that Jack didn't go because adding his skills and abilities to the machine's computer base would be disastrous--and thus didn't have anything to add to the chair's ability to foil TEal'c?
    ( While I have no problem with Daniel's becoming more field savvy [he should be after all this time], we are seeing too much of a Daniel-Rambo and it undercuts his presumed different perspective. Look at Icon: Daniel did not even suggest trying to talk to Soren or to the people in the bunker; it was just blast away. That makes those times when he suddenly goes "pacifist" look more like plot devices than character. Just MO.)


    *Biggest problem for me:*

    The set-up. I can understand the people on the Gamekeeper's planet wanting *their* chairs to be controlled only by the user, considering their experiences before (and the fact that, most likely, their "fantasies" would not be violent). However, it makes no sense for the SGC to do that, especially in light of all the things that can go wrong with tech and in light of the nature of the "game" they would be engaging in. They could certainly have insisted that the chair they got had an on/off switch, and they should have. For me, it made everyone involved look very dumb in regard to something about which they should have known better.


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    My comments on "Avatar":

    "Teal'c is trapped in a video game and running out of lives!!!" - SciFi Announcer in "Avatar" teaser promo. (Gawd...I still think that teaser line was so stupid and it didn't do the episode any favors.)

    I've only had one pass at it, so I'm probably not remembering everything. I also haven't read this thread yet, so apologies for repeating everything.

    I liked Dr. Carmichael! Andrew Arlie makes a good doctor and he didn't have that same "I'm a big dummy" look on his face as he did when he (very effectively) played Kalan in "Learning Curve". I hope we see him again.

    It's becoming increasingly evident that Dr. Lee's presence is to spread the technobabble around so Carter can do more stuff. Kewl! I really like Bill Dow.

    I'm not a big fan of video games, but it was neat to see the footage.

    Daniel goes Rambo saves the day! Yay! So, why hasn't he gotten contacts or laser eye surgery to correct his vision?

    I loved the standoff within the team at the end. That's something we've never seen before and it was a great moment for the whole series. I was almost sure that O'Neill was the Goa'uld, but the truth was a great twist. Siler being a Goa'uld...that should happen more often.

    The time-loop/reset stuff got a little jarring after awhile, but that was probably the point. It was hard to watch Teal'c "give up", but I'm sure *that* was the point.

    Overall, it was a good episode for me. It's not one of my favorites, but probably only because I'm not a big fan of the video game portrayal, even though the footage was cool.

    I am kind of surprised that they're doing two Teal'c-centered episodes in a row. Not that Teal'c can't carry it, but it just seems like it would be better if they spread 'em around. I could be wrong, though, since I don't know anything about "Affinity" other than what was in the teaser (HINT: Don't tell me!). Also, it looks like we'll be playing more of the Spot-The-Former-Guest-Star game.
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    Forgot to add: I really liked the Jack/Teal'c scene at the end. Nice brother/friend feel to it.


    And I feel really forgetful--comes with age, I guess--that I had not remembered that in the original season 2 ep, the chair could not read Teal'c's or Sam's mind. Big, big plot flaw, that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    Waitaminute... Sam should have been the one to go help him! If the chair can't read her mind, there's no risk of the game learning anything from her to make it more difficult!

    Bah, why did I have to notice this? Curse my brilliant brain!
    Darn it all Ugly Pig, you've made the plot hole bigger. You're right, Sam should have been the one to go in.



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    Im going offline know, so i closed my notepad with readymade IMG codes, so no pritty posts, anyway, yes it does explain everything, even though it was encrypted they could still copy it, just couldent access it, and carter with her super advanced computer that can interface with crystels and everything, could dycript it, she just dident mention it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ugly Pig
    Bah, why did I have to notice this? Curse my brilliant brain!
    Curses, you Piggy! Knock it off! Besides, it's glaringly obvious that at some point they went back to The Gamekeeper's planet and said, "Fix your stupid machine!" There. Plot hole plugged.

    Other stuff I forgot to mention or was reminded of:

    The Matrix line and the "It's what we do..." line. I know some people think the "what we do" line is hokey, but I love it. So there.

    I actually paused it at the point just prior to the standoff where Carter is working on the generator. We placed bets on who the Goa'uld would be...and we were totally wrong! Loved that!

    In the beginning, I was thinking we just might see the return of The Gamekeeper just so he could fix his darn machine, but I'm actually glad we didn't. Never really much liked him.

    Video Game Daniel not only had bushier eyebrows, but he went a little overboard on the spiky gel, too!

    I didn't see it as an "advertisement" for a video game, but the same company that is producing the video game did the graphics for the episode. In that sense, yeah...for those people that like that sort of thing, I guess it's neat to get a preview of what it'll look like. If you didn't know that, it would just be cool FX...or in my case, "<shrug>...video game stuff".

    The camera movement during the sims when Daniel had the previsions was just great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthro Girl
    Besides, it's glaringly obvious that at some point they went back to The Gamekeeper's planet and said, "Fix your stupid machine!" There. Plot hole plugged.
    Sounds awfully convenient... Works for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthro Girl
    The camera movement during the sims when Daniel had the previsions was just great!
    I was thinking the same thing! Great camera workmanship there.

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    Yah, it kind of felt like a fast pace Dead Zone episode with much more visions

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