Lost City, Part 2 (722)

[Falcon Horus]

And back to trailing behind -- 9:24.

[Hollywood0408]

So only question about this: Ancient outpost but where is it in relation to where they found the gate back in Season 1 and the woman from Season 6? Different part of the continent? or just another continuity error that springs up, which is odd considering the writers wrote both this episode and Frozen in Season 6

[Falcon Horus]

So only question about this: Ancient outpost but where is it in relation to where they found the gate back in Season 1 and the woman from Season 6? Different part of the continent? or just another continuity error that springs up, which is odd considering the writers wrote both this episode and Frozen in Season 6

We don't actually know how big the area is where the gate or the outpost was found.

Atlantis is a pretty big city ship sbut it stands to reason that if it sits on land, it expands into buildings build on land, separate from the ship.

Or they never really thought about keeping track of where they put everything relatively from each other when they wrote those episodes. Small oversight. Who's gonna notice? Oh wait, we do...

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Also, when Atlantis left, people stayed behind. So clearly there was someplace outside the city for them to live. We know it had a Stargate from Solitudes, and we know from Frozen that they found at least one Jaffa before they found the-woman-whose-name-I-can't-remember.

I'm not sure why you think there was a continuity error. I can't think of any direct contradictions between Solitudes, Frozen and Lost City. Not that there aren't any, just that I can't remember them.

Seaboe

[Falcon Horus]

...we know from Frozen that they found at least one Jaffa before they found the-woman-whose-name-I-can't-remember.

Ayana

Spelling could be off but that's the name you're looking for.

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Thanks.

[Xaeden]

Like Goa'uld motherships, Ancient city ships appear to be designed to need the help of a landing platform to land on solid ground. There's a large gap under the main tower that fits over a structure we saw when the city left Earth in a flashback during "Rising." You can see it here around the 35 second mark: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z03h5mPxHk In all likelihood that's a part of the outpost that didn't survive the ravages of time. If so, that means the outpost and city are together.

As to where the Stargate was in relationship to one of them, I do not recall there being a reference to that, but the city in "The Tower" serves as a model for what might have been standard. There the gate is also located outside of the city, but it's within walking distance.

[Hollywood0408]

I say continuity because not really sure what to call it, because during Frozen Season 6, it has the glass dome over the area where Ayana, the Jaffa, and the gate and DHD were found. Then Lost City Part 2 this Ancient weapons platform no where close to it because you see Prometheus fly over large parts of ice and snow and no sign of any research area. I mean you would think the chair and gate would be close and Ayana would be near that.Just one of those small things I have noticed after watching the Series through for about the 100th time. Think it could be like what was said earlier, time things moved around.

[Xaeden]

I say continuity because not really sure what to call it, because during Frozen Season 6, it has the glass dome over the area where Ayana, the Jaffa, and the gate and DHD were found. Then Lost City Part 2 this Ancient weapons platform no where close to it because you see Prometheus fly over large parts of ice and snow and no sign of any research area. I mean you would think the chair and gate would be close and Ayana would be near that.Just one of those small things I have noticed after watching the Series through for about the 100th time. Think it could be like what was said earlier, time things moved around.

We saw mountains in the background of all the shots during the battle, so it's possible that the Stargate had to be placed on the other side of (or atop) one of them because we were looking at a closed valley that Atlantis filled, leaving no space for the Stargate.

In the Atlantis pilot, we are shown a jumper flying across an icy ridge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z03h5mPxHk). If you pause at the 12 second mark, you will see the jumper come to the ridge's edge and see Atlantis in a valley below it. It's unlikely the jumper was coming from a ship in orbit since it was flying along the surface for a bit, and unless there's another Ancient facility on the continent, its most likely source was the Stargate. If it was indeed coming from the direction of the Stargate, you wouldn't have been able to see the White Rock Research Station during the Battle of Antarctica.

That would make it a little harder to get to on foot than the city in "The Tower" was, but Atlantis and Earth's gate could still be relatively close to one another.

[Falcon Horus]

Maybe we should attempt a topographic map of Antarctica...

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

Antarctica as portrayed in Atlantis, you mean? The real one has plenty of topo maps.

Seaboe

[Falcon Horus]

Antarctica as portrayed in Atlantis, you mean? The real one has plenty of topo maps.

Maybe a comparison of what was moved where to make room for Atlantis.

[Hollywood0408]

All good points. Not sure on the gates though. The Earth gate and Atlantis gate are one and the same. Think they made the transition once the Ancients arrived in Pegasus and began to seed the galaxy with gates. Unless the were already there, but the seed ships shown in Universe with Gates on them were different, could just be the materials used, so that why they are different. Which also explains the line, where they talk about In Universe those Gates being less than those in the Milky Way and Pegasus.

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

I think you're wrong about the Atlantis gate and the Earth gate being the same one. I think when they decided to leave Earth, they created a new gate to leave behind. Or (more likely, given advances in technology), they created a new gate for the city, and left the old one behind.

I also always keep in mind that this is a TV show, and that the writers aren't as interested in these details as the fans are.

Seaboe

[Xaeden]

In the pilot of SGU, we saw an animation of the Destiny's trajectory after launch and the first galaxy it went to after leaving the Milky Way was the Pegasus galaxy. Whether those gates were still around by the time Atlantis arrived is unclear. Milky Way gates are nigh indestructible, so it makes sense that they'd still be around. Conversely, the SGU gates can be destroyed by simple weapons fire, so it's reasonable that a planet's weather would eventually wipe all evidence of them ever being there. This may mean that they weren't in play when Atlantis arrived and that, in fact, most Destiny seeded gates are long gone.

In any case, the DHD attached to the Beta gate in Antarctica was dated at ~50 million years old (don't ask me how DHDs can be that old given that they're not indestructible). As it and its gate predates Atlantis' departure from Earth, I don't think there's any reason to believe that Atlantis had a gate in the city while it was on Earth that it took with it to Pegasus and then ditched when it made the new gate system. Also, it would've been harder to avoid becoming infected with the plague if the gate was in the city as then traffic to and from Atlantis would've been direct and immediate.

As to Seaboe Muffinchucker's comment, it seems strange to me that they would make a new gate to leave behind when, if they're making gates before leaving, they could just make a new gate to take with them. Also, the DHD's point of origin matches that gate and, as mentioned, the DHD is 50 million years old.

With the plague still active in the Milky Way when they left and the possibility that the seed ship gates were long gone by the time they arrived in the Pegasus galaxy, having a gate when they first landed may not been useful or even desired.