Can you asgard/ Goauld beam through the gate?

[Puddle-Jumper]

I'm sure this has already been thought of but from what I understand atlantis should be able to beam things to earth via the gate and an open wormhole using the daedalus transporters and earth should be able to do the same when atlantis opens the wormhole they are able to send radio signals......How different can transporter signals be?

Basically I was thinking that if you had two transporter modules on either side of the gate then you senb the information from one to another as an asgard beam actually doesn't demateriallise a person it destroys the body keeps the neural pathways and sends them through as a radio signal and the transporter module creates an new body identical to the other on the other side

Goa'uld transporters actually keep the body and just dematerialise and rematerialise. They send a matter stream asgard beams don't

So what do ya think?

Any thoughts?????

[Harekin]

What exactly do they lock onto as their target?
EDIT: By the way, there are LOTS of Irish fans.

[Tekin_Kashami]

Theoretically they could lock onto the space just behind the event horizon, but the beam takes longer than a radio signal.

[Rodan5757]

Would you really like to be dematerialized and then dematerialized again?

[SP90]

Would you really like to be dematerialized and then dematerialized again?

Why would you be dematerialized twice? The radio signal does not need to be dematerialized.

Back to topic, why would you want to be beamed through the gate? Just walk through and get beamed up or beam it down and push it through the gate.

[happyclappy]

yeh ive wondered about this, because if all can transmit a hologram to sit nicely on the SGC ramp, why cant the deady beam things from the ramp or whatever...
u know what i mean

[Syera]

So, you're considering the possibility of beaming something out from an incoming wormhole? THIS is an idea that needs expanded and discussed.

[IcyNeko]

When the Daedalus beams people aboard, they are converted into a matter stream, which is then resequenced on another platform. But this is a matter stream, not an energy stream. If you beamed it through to SGC without the IRIS opened, the matter stream would slam into the iris as if someoen just ran into it.

A hologram is transmitted energy, like a radio signal.

Why don't they do it? It's too much power just to be lazy. That and when transmitting a matter stream through another matter stream, there's probably a chance that you lose something in the translation. the person might end up on the other side with a chunk missing out of their bodies.

Same thing with network traffic. If you stream video (which is technically a stream anyway) over the internet, there's a chance of signal degradation... network packets lost... which would cause irreparable damage to the original signal. If the sender never left (movie file that is streamed doesnt' disappear), it can be requeried and asked to send the signal again in order to get the full signal. In stargate, when soemthing is transmitted, the original is gone. That means that stargates can't requery for error checking purposes. The signal is lost forever.

[freyr's mother]

You could use this idea if a gate was heavily guarded and the planet was inaccesible by ship. You could send a UCAV through and it could target coordinates behind the defending forces.

[IcyNeko]

And that does nothing to compensate for the fact that streaming a matter stream could be potentially fatal if any part of the stream was incomplete.

You can pain targets all over the fracking planet, but if your troops rematerialize in pieces, you've just littered the planet with dead trooper parts.

Besides, you can't extract the same way. It's far more difficult to do so.

It's much more efficient to just do it the right way: fly a ship over with several platoons and beam them down as they are needed. Being lazy is a sure way to losing at life.

[freyr's mother]

And that does nothing to compensate for the fact that streaming a matter stream could be potentially fatal if any part of the stream was incomplete.

You can pain targets all over the fracking planet, but if your troops rematerialize in pieces, you've just littered the planet with dead trooper parts.

Besides, you can't extract the same way. It's far more difficult to do so.

It's much more efficient to just do it the right way: fly a ship over with several platoons and beam them down as they are needed. Being lazy is a sure way to losing at life.

What are you trying to say.

[Rodan5757]

Why would you be dematerialized twice? The radio signal does not need to be dematerialized.

Back to topic, why would you want to be beamed through the gate? Just walk through and get beamed up or beam it down and push it through the gate.

Well if beaming through the gate was possible it wouldn't matter which side the wormhole was connected on. People could be brought to and from Earth with only the Atlantis gate outgoing.

I have a feeling that the beams are more then just a signal. So I would have to say that it is not possible. If it was possible it would just be way too convinient.

[IcyNeko]

I think I already explained it once.

Simple network theory. You are transmitting a signal. If the signal gets damaged somehow, it's going to result in degraded quality of the signal on the receipient side. When you watch a streaming movie on the internet and your bandwidth cuts down... sometimes you'll see extreme pixelation and the sound might desync with the video. That is because there is packet loss and your computer is trying to work on getting the data back. This can be a result of high network traffic, routing data through slow paths, or who knows what other errors. In the case of packet loss, usually a computer will request the data from the home computer that is hosting the movie. The good thing is that the movie doesn't disappear when it is transmitted, so when the request for retrasmission is sent, the lost packet of the movie can then be sent again.

In the case of transmitting a person, the "source" is sent. Therefore, if there is packet loss, the person will lose whatever portion of their body was encompassed in the packet.

Now, compressing streaming matter (from asgard beams) and streaming THAT matter (through a wormhole) is haphazard at best. People aren't energy. They are matter streams. You're going to run into exponentially big problems preventing packet loss and killing the person. That's theory one.

Theory two: Stargate buffer system requires a person to be fully sent through in order to transmit a person through a gate. Asgard beams turn a person into a matter stream, not into energy. The stargate would have to wait for the entire matter stream to end in order to transmit the matter stream away(Thirty Eight MInutes). With a situation like that, there's no way to tell where the matter stream will re-integrate.. if it would at all. Or if it would integrate in once piece. If it did, would it be properly assembled. OOPS I JUST KILLED SOMEONE OMG.

Theory three. Even if Asgard beams converted people into energy streams, it's impossible to blast that energy to a precise destination. The reason radio signals can be sent through the gate is because it is broadcast over a broad spectrum. Everyone with a radio and the proper channel could intercept the message. Same thing with the explosives that were exploded at the gate to disconnect the wormhole, the explosives had to be specially created (shaped charge) in order to shoot energy at the wormhole specifically.

You can't just zap a person to a pre-determined location. Electrical energy travels in the path of least resistance (basic EE knowledge). So beaming energy through the gate would likely strike the most conductive material on the other side of the gate (DHD or shiny Jaffa armor). So there goes theory 3.

Just as an aside.. you can't convert human beings into radio signals. If you want to transport matter, you better be able to convert matter into some form that allows it to be shipped around (hence MATTER STREAM).

[freyr's mother]

Theory three. Even if Asgard beams converted people into energy streams, it's impossible to blast that energy to a precise destination. The reason radio signals can be sent through the gate is because it is broadcast over a broad spectrum. Everyone with a radio and the proper channel could intercept the message. Same thing with the explosives that were exploded at the gate to disconnect the wormhole, the explosives had to be specially created (shaped charge) in order to shoot energy at the wormhole specifically.

That's why I said you would send a UAV through so you could target where you wanted the personnel rematerialized.

You can't just zap a person to a pre-determined location. Electrical energy travels in the path of least resistance (basic EE knowledge). So beaming energy through the gate would likely strike the most conductive material on the other side of the gate (DHD or shiny Jaffa armor). So there goes theory 3.

I think radio signals broadcast in three dimensions. So even if the signal did hit some jaffa armor, the UAV would still recieve the signal.

[IcyNeko]

YOU DON'T READ WELL DO YOU?

It doesn't matter where you paint targets using UAVs. Electrical energy doesn't move to your painted targets. They go where ever they please. IF the asgard beams were energy based, you couldn't tell it where to go when you beamed them there. Heck, the asgard can't beam people down from their ship unless they have a clear target. That, alone, says something. It doesn't matter how many times you fly crap through a gate, it won't materialize appropriately because your targetting computer can't adjust.

And this is all on the asumption that people are converted into energy. It's much more likely that people are converted into a matter stream.

I wasn't talking about radio signals as a means to detect things. You can't even use that. YOu're thinking Radar.

Bleh. No point in posting more if you're not going to take time to read it.