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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Quote Originally Posted by NurseRatched View Post
    New, Improved Puddlejumper Supply List:

    1. Owner's manual (Cliff's Notes version)
    2. A copy of "The Worst Case Scenario Handbook"
    3. An AED
    4. Big ol' can of Raid
    5. XXL size Hershey's Syrup (in case #4 fails)
    6. WD-40, if the jumper's stuck really, really badly. Plan B: Use the K-Y.
    7. Something stronger than Tylenol
    8. Athosian Death Prayer Tea Service for 6 (in case nothing works)
    9. Subscription to OnStar service (darn, they could have had those pods retracted in no time!)
    10. A bigger boat
    11. More MRE's, for McKay's manly hunger
    12. Large quantities of cheese, to go with his whine...
    :-)))) That was golden!
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Can someone explain why Ford can't move the jumper from inside?
    I understand newton's 3rd law but if you're sitting on a chair you can move it with some momentum without touching anything else.

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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    When he pushes on the Jumper, it pushes back. He transfers that force back into the Jumper through the floor/air. The equal but opposite reaction has to leave the Jumper to achieve thrust.

    I could be wrong though.

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  4. #384
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    I thought the same but it confuses me that you can move chairs or your bed this way.
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Chairs and/or your bed isn't generally half disintegrated in an open wormhole. They lost their momentum of moving when they got stuck.

    Or better yet... you try moving your chair and/or bed through an opening that is just one bit too tight, it won't work either (even without the disintegration). No matter how hard you push or bump against the object. The reaction will come right back at you being bumped back.
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    I think momentum would also be a factor. The jumper will resist the change in motion because of its size and there was no way Ford would push it hard enough to get it through the gate. It's like trying to move a car by drop kicking its grill.


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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    ..or trying to get out of a swamp by pulling your own hair

    I think (but I could be wrong) that you need an external hinge for the role of the fix point. When you move the chair, it's the floor. When you move a swing, it's the rope junction.

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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Quote Originally Posted by NurseRatched View Post
    New, Improved Puddlejumper Supply List:

    1. Owner's manual (Cliff's Notes version)
    2. A copy of "The Worst Case Scenario Handbook"
    3. An AED
    4. Big ol' can of Raid
    5. XXL size Hershey's Syrup (in case #4 fails)
    6. WD-40, if the jumper's stuck really, really badly. Plan B: Use the K-Y.
    7. Something stronger than Tylenol
    8. Athosian Death Prayer Tea Service for 6 (in case nothing works)
    9. Subscription to OnStar service (darn, they could have had those pods retracted in no time!)
    10. A bigger boat
    11. More MRE's, for McKay's manly hunger
    12. Large quantities of cheese, to go with his whine...
    great list!

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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Looking at the blurb for the ep, I wasn't looking forward to watching this; switching between SG-1 and SGA episodes is time-consuming and means I can't rush right into the next episode in a series, after all . I assumed that pretty much the whole episode would take place in the jumper and would be pretty boring, but I'm so glad that it was more entertaining than I thought it would be.

    Kavanaugh, though. Oh, god. I've seen people mention that there's some weird chemistry or sexual tension between him and Elizabeth, and just having the thought makes me want brain bleach. Just no.
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    Kavanaugh -- oh, we remember him fondly. He was such a "lovable" character.

    I paired him once with McKay for a ficathon. Was a pinch hit, but everyone deserves a story written for them in these things so I volunteered.
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Was it a slasher fic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Was it a slasher fic?
    PG all the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon Horus View Post
    Kavanaugh -- oh, we remember him fondly. He was such a "lovable" character.

    I paired him once with McKay for a ficathon. Was a pinch hit, but everyone deserves a story written for them in these things so I volunteered.
    Then you have a heart of gold. *applauds*

    But if you ever do it again, just keep him faaaaar away from Lizzie.

    Quote Originally Posted by jelgate View Post
    Was it a slasher fic?
    Slasher or slash? Because if it was the former...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janet Fraiser View Post
    Slasher or slash? Because if it was the former...
    Both were still very much alive at the end... it was a happy story.
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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    In the discussion about why Ford couldn't move the jumper, the post about getting stuck in the doorway with a chair--why omit friction? You can overcome the friction of the chair against the carpet with the momentum from rocking, but you can't overcome the additional friction of the doorway.

    So maybe you could move a jumper a little bit through internal momentum, but you can't overcome the friction of the engine pods against the gate.

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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Just re-watched this episode. Nice touch using an old scientific discovery about the Stargate (wormhole closing after 38 minutes) and tying it into the main plot of the episode while the expedition still being able to learn something more of their enemy. Also, nice usage of recurring and guest characters. I just wish there were more episodes like this, where everyone is making effort to solve the team's problems in the Puddle Jumper.

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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    Quote Originally Posted by gatechick View Post
    Oh but to be the bug attached to Shephard's neck! sigh

    I agree with you on the point with Weir. Initially I agreed with her. I thought Cavanaugh was just wasting time being so negative. But then he needed to point out the risks. I thought as a leader she should have set a better example. And that little power trip moment where she threatened was just too wrong for me. Yeah, Cavanaugh was a jerk but it was his job to make her aware of the consequenses of any decision they made.
    My problem with this scene is the fact that Cavanaugh pointed out the danger for whole Atlantis which was definitely valid to do, but Weir somehow managed to turn it into a personal attack as if he cared only about himself at this moment. (maybe yes, but she can not know it). No wonder that Cavanaugh was pissed off, although he could really wait with this talk after the whole crisis.

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    Just re watched this, and I forgot that at the beginning Mackay pulls Ford out of the Event Horizon by his hand that was not in all the way. I thought once you started into the worm hole you were de-materialized and ONLY re-materialized on the other side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manche View Post
    My problem with this scene is the fact that Cavanaugh pointed out the danger for whole Atlantis which was definitely valid to do, but Weir somehow managed to turn it into a personal attack as if he cared only about himself at this moment. (maybe yes, but she can not know it). No wonder that Cavanaugh was pissed off, although he could really wait with this talk after the whole crisis.
    I agree but to a point, my take on it is, Weir asked the group for their opinion on the risk and based on the majority she made the call to take the risk. While Cavanaugh was pointing out the risk, he was pretty snotty about it. The eye rolling and heavy sighing indicated he thought he knew better than everyone else. Basically his position was that the risk was so great that I had the impression he was headed to "Do nothing and let them die, cause it might blow up and kill all of us (read me)."

    Weir could have kept her mouth shut till later true, but I think she felt like she needed to assert her authority in the situation. Being in a position of authority and having those under you act like Cavanaugh did would annoy most leaders silly.

    Then his little temper tantrum later about "you treated me badly", I think Weir was spot on in correcting him then for sure. It did set up the antipathy Cavanaugh would have for the chain of command from then on.

    All in all good character building.

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    P.S. Cavanaugh with his "blow the rear hatch idea" saved the day!

    Did I mention good character building?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeaShephard View Post
    Just re watched this, and I forgot that at the beginning Mackay pulls Ford out of the Event Horizon by his hand that was not in all the way. I thought once you started into the worm hole you were de-materialized and ONLY re-materialized on the other side?

    SS
    The part of you that is reaching into the wormhole is de-materialized, but it's stored in the outgoing gate's buffer and your data pattern is not sent over until you (or the object) is de-materialized in full. Consequently, you can pull yourself out if you haven't fully passed into the event horizon or someone/something can be pulled out under those same conditions.

    Ford is an extreme example of this, but it happens with people "testing the waters" by putting a hand in and then pulling it nervously out. O'neill has also intentionally put a hand into a wormhole before to keep the gate active and then pulled his hand out ("Shades of Grey" - Season 3, Episode 18). In that case it was an incoming wormhole, though.

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