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    Default Re: Thirty-Eight Minutes (104)

    I think the rematerialization thing is explainable. Jack's hand did stay in the other gate room in "Shades of Grey" -- he walked full-bore through the event horizon, then probably stopped himself from fully coming through on the other side. He held his hand in the E.H. at the S.G.C. So the matter was transmitted, but not yet fully reconstituted, preventing the rogues from being able to disconnect the wormhole.

    The sticky point I see in tonight's episode was the fact that the gate didn't draw the ship in once it was dislodged (as we've seen happen other times, as with the Russian submarine in "Watergate"). McKay figured it was because they had no inertia; it could be explained that the gate has a time limit in its systems to tell whether or not something is trying to pass through. After 37 1/2 minutes, its systems may have "forgotten" the puddle jumper and turned off the "auto-pull" feature.

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    I'm with the rest of you that loved this episode. The pacing was good, the acting was good, and the story was good. My specific thoughts are :


    Dr. Mckay's "we're screwed" attitude helped keep things tense, but see how it could get really annoying after awhile. He was definitely out of his element being on the other side of the wormwhole

    Dr. Weir is an enigma to me. She is one hot looking gal and all, and I liked how she tried hard to keep everybody focused on saving the teams life. But at the same time she did come across as more than [email protected]@ then perhaps she needed to be, but then again I'm not the leader of an expedition to another galaxy.

    Dr. Beckett is quickly becoming my favorite character behind Major Sheppard. That clilng-on line and the look on his face after he realizes what he said is priceless. Major Sheppards reaction was pretty good to.

    Overall an excellent episode and one I intend to watch again that's for sure. Stargate Atlantis is becoming a show I look forward to watching on Friday nights. Including SG1 of course
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    The gate didn't pull the ship in because enough of it wasn't in yet. We've seen people enter the event horizon at less than half-mass and come back (the Teal'c/Kawalski fight, "holding the door open"), and we've seen more than half-mass go in and then get pulled (the corpse of Apophis, Daniel in the movie). So, we can conclude that less than half of the jumper's mass was past the threshold.

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    Seems like Murphy's Law is in full effect on both series.
    Gotta admit that, heh.

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    I like any episode that deals with the gate itself (eg Solitudes, 48 Hours),
    not that I understand any of the physics supposedly behind it. I just try
    to take everything pretty much at face value, because you can drive yourself
    crazy by trying to resolve every little inconsistency and plot-hole!

    I thought Weir handpicked everyone. And wouldn't there have been psych
    evaluations? I didn't like Cavanaugh at all -well I guess we're not supposed to
    - he turned out to be wrong anyway and then came up with the most obvious
    answer - so he won't be any great loss, but I'm afraid he'll be back to make life
    hell for everyone at Atlantis.

    Other than McKay, none of the other major players do anything for me yet.
    But I realize that it'll take some time for the actors to get a handle on their
    characters. [Having now watched all of SG-1, there are moments in
    season one when I wish he/she hadn't done it that way.]

    Oh, and can we please lose Halling? Well at least we didn't see Jinto!

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    I have to admit, Ford throwing himself against the bulkhead to get the ship to move was a little dumb. Don't worry, Aiden, you're still my favorite.

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    Some notes on the episode:

    Just a few notes on Stargate Atlantis' "Thirty Eight Minutes."

    The episode was written by Brad Wright, and directed by Mario
    Azzopardi -- who directed the "Stargate SG-1" pilot, "Children of the
    God" and several other first season episodes, the last one being "Cor-
    Ai." It was nice seeing his name -- and his work/talent -- back on
    the screen for a Stargate production.

    I watch TV with the closed captioning turned on, and there was a bit
    of dialog in the last scene in the infirmary that was apparently
    edited out as audio.

    Ford: "Well I for one am back in fighting form. Thanks to the lovely
    meal.

    Teyla: "My people were happy to oblige."

    Ford: "It tasted like chicken."


    Nice use of humor again in this episode. I liked Beckett's joke about
    the cling-on (Klingon), the mention of the Swiss Army Knife, and
    Ford's statement after he tried the iodine on the creature -- "Well,
    scratch that."

    Gorgeous matte painting of the ringed planet.

    I'm really liking Weir more after this episode. And Sheppard just
    rocks, and I adore both Ford and Hewlett. Teyla needs some exposition
    though for me.

    Very enjoyable episode -- lovely music, terrific special effects,
    beautiful matte paintings, and a wonderful job of acting from
    everyone involved.

    Morjana

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    Inertia- as far as the wreath in F&W goes, I can see where one or both characters might have given it a slight nudge as they were placing it in the event horizon and thus it had SOME forward momentum. A bit weak, but that's the mot likely solution I can think of.

    The PJ on the other hand, was stopped dead. And as for Ford throwing himself against the bulkhead, hey, I thought of the same thing. All you need is a LITTLE nudge, right?

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    Here's a question: They make a big deal about how whatever is inside the wormhole/event horizon when the gate shuts down will be lost forever. But that isn't strictly true, is it? The matter gets stored in the buffer. So why not have everyone move beyond the EH and let the gate shut down and then perform the same trick they used in 48 Hours to rescue Teal'c?

    Maybe they don't know enough about the "new" gate to do that, or they don't wanna risk blowing the Ancient Dialing Device. But how come it wasn't at least mentioned as an option?

    When the PJ entered the event horizon, the bow was still being carried forward based on momentum, right? It was just the stern that got stuck. So if they HAD performed the trick, should the initial momentum have helped carry the bow of the ship out of the gate and into the bay?

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    Best ep yet! I do, think that the Wraith should have chuckled as it turned and left Shep to die with a bug on his neck. That would have been in keeping with the Wraith rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    I was waiting for it to be one of the bugs from Bane.

    Any chance it may have injected something into Shep? Might explain an upcoming plot point...
    I was thinking about the "Bane" bugs, too.As for it injecting something into him,seeing that it had broken his skin,there's no telling what got introduced into his system.
    If nothing else,it sure left one heck of a "hickey"!
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    Did anyone else notice the Weir/Shepard interaction?

    At first I thought it was my imagination, but then it seemed that Weir was more concerned for Shepard then she should've been. Then Shepard wanted to talk to her when he thought that he was going to die, and later wouldn't tell what he was going to say.

    If it was just me then someone tell me I'm crazy but I kind of like the idea of them together. I can't see Shepard with Teyla.

    Just my thoughts on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Here's a question: They make a big deal about how whatever is inside the wormhole/event horizon when the gate shuts down will be lost forever. But that isn't strictly true, is it? The matter gets stored in the buffer. So why not have everyone move beyond the EH and let the gate shut down and then perform the same trick they used in 48 Hours to rescue Teal'c?
    Wouldn't that depend on whether or not the gate considers a whole person to be a single item or the whole ship? Teal'c was only carrying his gun in 48 Hours and he and it went through and then the gate shut down. The crew in 38 Minutes were inside the PJ, which itself was not fully entered.

    Just a thought...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ice_angel1119
    At first I thought it was my imagination, but then it seemed that Weir was more concerned for Shepard then she should've been.
    I wouldn't say she was more concerned than she "should've" been. More like she was seriously concerned...and for good reason. That's her second-in-command there. TPTB are obviously setting up some "issues" with her command and leadership for her to demonstrate her capabilities. It only follows that she'd be concerned, even "more" concerned, about the life/death status of the main person she'd rely on to back her up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthro Girl
    Wouldn't that depend on whether or not the gate considers a whole person to be a single item or the whole ship?
    Good point. Hmm. Maybe save it as a last ditch effort in case all else fails?

    As for Weir showing more concern for Shep, I didn't get that impression at all. But then, I find everything about Weir irritating so I'm not likely to imagine her having fuzzy feelings for anyone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ice_angel1119
    Did anyone else notice the Weir/Shepard interaction?

    At first I thought it was my imagination, but then it seemed that Weir was more concerned for Shepard then she should've been. Then Shepard wanted to talk to her when he thought that he was going to die, and later wouldn't tell what he was going to say.

    If it was just me then someone tell me I'm crazy but I kind of like the idea of them together. I can't see Shepard with Teyla.
    I think that in the first few episodes they're kind of experimenting with the character dynamics a little bit to help us get to know the characters. I didn't particularly pick up that Weir was more concerned for Sheppard than she should have been - at this point I think they are still feeling their way toward a more comfortable friendship and working relationship.

    I *do* think Sheppard has more interesting chemistry with Weir than with Teyla so far but I'm sure not ready to pair them up in a romantic sense.
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    Weir has a boyfriend. While other folks may be perfectly willing to ignore things like that for the sake of a "good 'ship", I'm not. But like I said, I can't even see her having friendly chemistry with anyone, nevermind romantic...
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    Why do you hate Liz so much Maat?
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    Man that bug gave me the creeps, even though it was an obvious prop, just the thought of some big tick like that strapped to my neck (shudder).

    I really liked this episode (didn't expect to). I liked Weir's display of leadership and I love how cool and decisive yet laid-back Sheppard is in almost every situation. Very O'Neill-ish, but with enough of his own flavor to make him seem original.


    The medical Dr is another favorite. Teyla and Weir are sexy as all get out. McKay gets on my nerves a little as the "Chicken Little" character, but I have to admit I like him too.

    Ford seems a little wimpy to me at times even though I think they want him to be this stern tough guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowMaat
    Weir is married. While other folks may be perfectly willing to ignore things like that for the sake of a "good 'ship", I'm not. But like I said, I can't even see her having friendly chemistry with anyone, nevermind romantic...
    Weir is married??? Huh??
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    Wasn't the character Garwin Sanford played just a boyfriend or something??
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