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    Quote Originally Posted by DeccyB
    I liked this episode, it was good! I like all Unas related episodes.
    yeah I like them too. I even like the Unas who spoke in the episode Demons.The Unas from Chimmera I didn't like .It looked really UGLY I saw recently Beast of Burden
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    unas.... lo siento perro no me gusta los unas... (i am sorry but i dont like the Unas). i think it is cool however that the sg teams were able to make a treaty with them though .

    if they only knew they got the worse part of the deal............
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    I've enjoyed the Chaka the Unas episodes before, but this one I found a little hard to follow. There was too much Unas talk, I thought. It was kinda a shame that they wound up getting the bad end of the agreement too.

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    Hmmm... Mixed feelings on this one!

    The thing about everyone speaking English... I rekon they've all got a Babel Fish (For those HitchHiker fans out there)!!

    On the whole I found it quite boring. Slightly too much of Daniel, I would've liked to see more of the others too. And I find Unas eps quite boring anyway.

    But then there were some very funny bits (Im a big humour person!) -

    "Daniel.. Go to your happy place" was soooooooo funny!!
    Also Daniel trying to describe a ship, making wooshy noises and waving his hand around!

    And yeah, that Sergeant whoever REALLY annoyed me.. I HATE people like him!!!!!!
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    garbage except the fights but apart from that boring as watching paint dry
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlgater
    It was kinda a shame that they wound up getting the bad end of the agreement too.
    I think you're letting your own values color your view. Different people value different things. Kor Asek himself suggested the solution, and I'm sure that if the Unas begin to feel exploited they'll be able to make things sufficiently ugly to get their point across.

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    i wasnt really too fond of this episode... it seemed a bit darker than most and also showed the darker side of human's trying to obtain what they really want...i also dont like the unas in general though...
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    intersting episode, thats all i have to say

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    I liked the episode. But I thought you could understand the original Chaka better, (not what the words were/meant, but actually hearing them, the articulation). Also, I thought Chaka would have done more of the negotiating.

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    What I liked:
    I enjoyed the overall plot quite a bit - it was in fact the saving grace of this episode for me. It flowed smoothly and at a good pace. For me anyway, if felt very much like a season 1-5 episode. Daniel was especially 'classic'. I also liked the way the US government was portrayed - was anyone else reminded of US / Native American history here? Our 'self-interest' motives/actions were quite realistic, IMHO. We're not always the nice guys and poor Daniel was caught in the middle. Another little moment that caught my attention was the end which strongly reminded me of a scene in the movie 'Zulu Dawn' which dramatized the Battle of Isandlwana in the Zulu War in which a small but 'superior' British force (1400 men) was basically surrounded and slaughtered by a much larger and 'primitive' Zulu attack (20,000 men) Interestingly, Chaka (or Shaka) was also the name a very important Zulu historical figure prior to this time...

    Favorite moments include:
    Did anyone else have flashbacks to the 'Stargate' movie whenever Daniel pulled out that lighter? LOL!

    Apparently there's something in those power bars of Daniels that Unas find nearly orgasmic! LOL!

    Daniel (concerning the artifacts): "They've been moved."
    Lt. Lauren: "They were in the way."
    Jack: "Daniel... go to your happy place."

    Daniel: "Col. Edwards has no experience dealing with Unas."
    Jack: "Nor you."

    Daniel to Jack: "I guess I just spent a lot of time breaking you in, I just didn't want to have to start with a new Colonel."

    Col. Edwards to Daniel: "Jack was right: you are a pain in the ass... but well worth it."

    What I didn't like:
    Is my memory of previous Unas eps really that bad or was the make-up job on Chaka as horrible as I think? The mask was way too obvious and it threw me right out of the story. Now, I know that thing was never very flexible but I don't remember it being that *plastic*! SHUDDER! Obviously it wasn't the same guy and I definitely missed him. Why didn't they redo the mouth? The only thing that moved there on Chaka was his bottom lip (the teeth never separated! No wonder it sounded like he was talking through a paper bag!) The other Una had much more realistic mouth movement. The body language was also off. The movements needed to be bigger. I winced when he came through the gate standing so... *human*! SIGH! This was a major problem for me. If MS wasn't such a good actor I don't think I would have ever been able to get back into the story.

    I *hated* Col. Edwards - which is not necessarily a bad thing in and of itself; unfortunately the idea that such a xenophobic character had managed to get in the SGC at all, let alone command an SG team was just a bit too much for me to buy!

    You really expect me to believe that *any* SG team doesn't know how to perform search and rescue operations?!!

    Chaka's character was way too submissive. I mean he's supposedly an Alpha male in his own right on his own planet and his adopted planet - but here he came across as almost being Daniel's pet! The staring match between him and Edwards was nice and should have been a character defining moment but instead it became a painful inconsistency.

    Side note: I don't have any problem with the Unas of different worlds speaking the same language because they were originally taken from another world by the Goa'uld as slaves, just as humans were, and scattered throughout the galaxy. Having Chaka and Iron Shirt's languages be too divergent (ala ancient Egyptian and Abydonian) would have taken too long to explore in a one hour show. And the suspension of reality glasses would have had to be much thicker if they spoke English like the one in Thor's Hammer did. I actually loved the consistency of the language. The actors weren't asked to just spout random gibberish but were obviously expected to memorize specific lines that had meaning. It added depth to the story for me.

    Overall grade: A very complicated 'C'

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApophisOfTheStargateRealm
    unas.... lo siento perro no me gusta los unas... (i am sorry but i dont like the Unas). i think it is cool however that the sg teams were able to make a treaty with them though .

    if they only knew they got the worse part of the deal............
    Yeah I'm not big on Unas stories too...but I enjoy it as a part of the greater SG universe...

    I didn't like the very little Jack and Sam here. I mean Jack was around long enough to get hurt and Sam's contribution was visiting Jack briefly in the infirmary. *whoopdie doo*

    However there were a few things I liked...

    Firstly, we're introduced to Major Lorne who I'm now enjoying on SGA.

    Secondly, I enjoy this bit of dialogue:

    Daniel: (stopping as he notices something sticking out of the tarp) What's this?
    He pulls back the tarp. Lorne stops his progress and walks back to stand beside Daniel.
    Daniel: Artifacts? (Daniel turns to look at Lorne.)
    Major Lorne: Yes.
    Daniel: You found all this and you-you didn't contact me?
    Major Lorne: We were going to...
    Daniel: They've been moved.
    Major Lorne: Well, they were in the way.
    In the mean time, Jack has walked back to stand behind Lorne. Jack steps forward and puts a hand on Daniel's shoulder.
    Jack: Daniel...go to your happy place.

    Thirdly, I liked the fact that we (and by we I mean the SGC) were wrong because it shows we're not superheroes...we are fallible human beings who are prone to make seriously bad decisions. And in this case, we were the intruders. We had NO RIGHT to the Naquadah and Hammond was ordered to make sure that we got it at all cost. This position is of course opportunistic to the extreme and morally we were on the wrong side. It seems we didn't learn anything from the Season 2 Episode Spirits...

    And right along with that...

    Fourthly: Because we were wrong, I like the fact that we lost. We had to negotiate a surrender or everyone would have been killed. We were wrong and they were right. We had to humble ourselves and it took us down a peg.

    So overall not my favorite episode, but it did have some redeemable qualities to it.

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    I've usually enjoyed Unas episodes in the past, too. This one, I found desperately boring first time around. I was very disappointed, for one thing, that we seemed not to have learned the lessons given us in Spirits and seemed to be repeating the same 'who cares about the natives, we want the gold/oil/shiny beads/whatever'.

    But it's really grown on me in subsequent watchings and now I quite enjoy it. I enjoy the character dynamics - especially Daniel throughout with the commander and the Unas. I could have done with more involvement from Jack and/or Sam, but the scene in the infirmary is fun and we get some Action!Jack in the fight with the Unas, so that's cool. I love Jack straightening up and pretending it doesn't hurt when Sam walks into the infirmary. LOL.

    I like the overall message in this episode - and let's hope to goodness that this time we learned it!

    Overall, there's a lot to like in this one. Daniel's interactions with Chaka and the local Unas, the character arc of the commander having to swallow his pride and realise he was wrong, even Teal'c had some excellent moments.



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    OK Unas ep not as good as beast of burden or the first Unas ep.
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    the main idea of it was quite similar to the episode spirits

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    IMO this was a good one off, but not one of my favorites. Enjoyable, yes. I like Unas eps, and in this we got to see Chaka again, and this time he went to help the SGC to secure the naquadah, and in through all that, the whole attitude of Major Lorne really goes to show how human arrogance can lead to misunderstandings that can lead to war.
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    Was Major Lorne's attitude that bad? It probably could've been better, but I thought Colonel Edwards had a bigger arrogance problem.
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    You're right, got that backwards, I meant Colonel Edwards, not Major Lorne. But the whole attitude in general goes to show how might is not always right.
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    I skipped over most parts of this episode, but I did enjoy the parts I did see. The kernel annoyed me. It was also great to see such a species advance so far over the past 7 seasons.

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    I absolutely loved this episode for 3 reasons:
    1) it brought back what I consider to be classic daniel and the best side of his personality that we dont really get to see anymore in S8 and 9
    2) it brought back one of the things i loved about the series originally, the diplomacy and the use of our brains as opposed to just weapons
    3) huge respect for PDL for having the balls to direct a slow episode, because they can be hard to pull off

    I dont know why people dont like this episode just because theres no good action and not many firefights because this show isnt (or rather, wasnt) about big explosions and huge epic battles.
    SG-1 has always been a very personal show which deals with human emotions, culture, history and people, it has been this way ever since the beginning. so to me, Enemy Mine was a brilliant episode

    although i do agree with the points about little Jack and Sam, there didnt really seem to be any reason for this, but I guess it makes sense that this team cant always be together on every mission. I mean even early on in the series in episodes like A Matter of Time, we'd have Daniel go off on his own mission with other teams, I guess this is one of those missions

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    not so great, the poorest episode of season 7, rather dull and over tred uas idea did nothing fo me, no supprises when the unas tools were found, i knew before they said it, an episode i don't grab the DVD to see.
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