Sheppard needs to be demoted....

[npattis]

and Colonel Caldwell needs to take over the military contingent.

[npattis]

As well, Lorne needs to be killed and Sgt Bates brought back.

[FallenAngelII]

I can see the reason now:
Sleeping with too many alien sluts and contracting God knows what.

[Annie Sheppard]

As well, Lorne needs to be killed and Sgt Bates brought back.

never!!!!! no no no!!!! don't kill Lorne....we need more Lorne is season 3!!!!!...and Bates...he can stay on Earth......

[Avatar28]

Now now. I'm sure the ancient chick he slept with didn't have any STDs and, face it, it had probably been several thousand years. That's a long time for ANYONE to go without, um, carnal relations. You can hardly call her an alien slut for wanting a little something something after all that time.

[npattis]

never!!!!! no no no!!!! don't kill Lorne....we need more Lorne is season 3!!!!!...and Bates...he can stay on Earth......

Bates actually was involved in the storylines and had a good background. Lorne could do that if the writers let him, but throughout season 2 he only seemed to be a utility man.

[knocknashee]

Why does it always have to escalate to killing when people don't like a character? It's kind of like me saying I hate someone then chasing them down with a rusty spork...

Grow the eff up...

For the record, I like Lorne as a character...shame they don't put him to use a little more. I'd be interested to see an episode with a full secondary team off-world, and maybe keep Sheppard and his merry band of reprobates on base to, oh, I don't know, do some exploring of the city...since it's the one charater we definitely haven't seen enough of...

As to Bates...yes, he was interesting. And it was great to see a voice of concern. Shame more often and not it came down to pure, simple bigotry...

[genius21]

we all know that sheppard can't be killed off becouse of his secret past and his handling of ancient technology he stept true the gate and atlantis begun to light up sheppard with ancient tech is very well ancient it would not surpisse me that he decendent and lost his memmories in some ways his IQ is very high find solutions even mckay didn't think of (episode brotherhood with the stones on the table to get zpm)

it's obvious he's the solution to atlantis the key they have shown that from day one

and his level of ancient gene is higher then recorded for hundreds of years (episode the tower)

i think he's a good actor and what bother me is that they go to much to other planets to explore and not atlantis they could have find schematics of new power source for deadules.

actor good
character he plays good and upgradeable.

you can't kill him off.

[Linzi]

Why does it always have to escalate to killing when people don't like a character? It's kind of like me saying I hate someone then chasing them down with a rusty spork...

Grow the eff up...

For the record, I like Lorne as a character...shame they don't put him to use a little more. I'd be interested to see an episode with a full secondary team off-world, and maybe keep Sheppard and his merry band of reprobates on base to, oh, I don't know, do some exploring of the city...since it's the one charater we definitely haven't seen enough of...

As to Bates...yes, he was interesting. And it was great to see a voice of concern. Shame more often and not it came down to pure, simple bigotry...

I seem to be following you around the forum agreeing with you, so sorry!

For goodness sake, what is up with people at the moment?
Must be something in the water....worldwide....

[prion]

I seem to be following you around the forum agreeing with you, so sorry!

For goodness sake, what is up with people at the moment?
Must be something in the water....worldwide....

Ya think? Yeah, seems to be open season on Shep for some reason. And not to mention the "kill kill" suggestions.

[Linzi]

Ya think? Yeah, seems to be open season on Shep for some reason. And not to mention the "kill kill" suggestions.

You're not wrong!
Strange thing is it's the same old people slagging off Shep and the same old people defending him! Small world...

In a way, it would be interesting to see what happened if TPTB did kill off Sheppard. Other than me crying into my pillow for probably two years solidly, I think the show would fold pretty quickly without it's leading man. Just my opinion though...

Oh, and no, Sheppard shouldn't be demoted. I've just got used to Lt.Colonel, and don't want to have to revert to Major again!

[knocknashee]

Ya think? Yeah, seems to be open season on Shep for some reason. And not to mention the "kill kill" suggestions.

The 'kill kill' thing is just childish...if you said that about some characters, there would be uproar...

In a way, it would be interesting to see what happened if TPTB did kill off Sheppard. Other than me crying into my pillow for probably two years solidly, I think the show would fold pretty quickly without it's leading man. Just my opinion though...

It would be interesting, though it's definitely not something I want to be seeing for another few seasons yet. I do think at some stage they are going to have to kill off a main character, and alas, the most likely candidate would be Sheppard...

[Stuey1221]

As well, Lorne needs to be killed and Sgt Bates brought back.

If Lorne is the guy im thinkin of then hell no! That guy is fantastic, he's had some great scenes, especially Season 2 in the episode Condemned, he showed some serious force with Elizabeth and her two other guards. Gives me goose pimples everytime!!



In my humble opinion Lorne must stay!

(i've tried adding an image but it wont work so URL instead http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s2...s/205_16.shtml )

[andrewag]

I like Caldwell's role at the moment. He should take more of a role stepping in to make sure Speppard's following protocol etc. I think he would be good to deal with Sheppard's self centred decissions that go against Weir's.

Sheppard was rushed into being a colonel and is not experienced enough like Jack was.

Oh and he shouldn't command the Orion!!!!!!!

[genius21]

they need to kill Sgt Bates i hate that guy he is so paranoid that he would blame his own fart if something happend and you can't kill of sheppard becouse he is the key.

ohh and he doesn't sleep with every woman only ascendent ones.

what i want to see is what will develop in sheppard it's obvious he isn't like normal humans hell i can see that and i'm almost blind.

but i think that ancient woman from sancturay at the end they murged maybe she put something in his head or a key for his mind to remember things.

[Hatcheter]

You're not wrong!
Strange thing is it's the same old people slagging off Shep and the same old people defending him! Small world...

In a way, it would be interesting to see what happened if TPTB did kill off Sheppard. Other than me crying into my pillow for probably two years solidly, I think the show would fold pretty quickly without it's leading man. Just my opinion though...

I think Atlantis would survive the loss of Sheppard. SG-1 killed off Daniel for a season, and more recently lost Jack, and the show is still going strong. The lesson from those events is to cast a charismatic new lead to replace the lost character, while making sure that the remaining cast carries a heavy load while the audience adjusts to the new guy.

Now, if Sheppard and McKay were to both be lose at around the same time, we might not have a show anymore.

Oh, and no, Sheppard shouldn't be demoted. I've just got used to Lt.Colonel, and don't want to have to revert to Major again!

1. That would be very confusing.
2. If I'm not mistaken, a demotion would mean that he would be forced into retirement as well. Is not immediately, at the very least he would liekly not earn a promotion again, and would be forced out upon reaching the time-in-grade limit.

But he hasn't done anything since his promotion that would deserve a repremand, let alone a punishment anywhere close to the severity of a demotion.

[The Prophet]

I can see the reason now:
Sleeping with too many alien sluts and contracting God knows what.

STATA! Sexually Transmitted Ancient Tech Activation!... Well, if it can be transmitted through blood why not through...You know...?

It's not through blood though, it's through "Gene Therapy" which, in real life, has a high mortallity rate!

[knocknashee]

I like Caldwell's role at the moment. He should take more of a role stepping in to make sure Speppard's following protocol etc. I think he would be good to deal with Sheppard's self centred decissions that go against Weir's.

Sheppard was rushed into being a colonel and is not experienced enough like Jack was.

Oh and he shouldn't command the Orion!!!!!!!

Not to change the focus of the discussion here, but that to me sounds like an inference that Weir is always right. She isn't. Both Ronon and Sheppard voiced their opinions against keeping Michael alive in Michael, and they were right.

The chain of command assumes too many things, namely...

1. That the person in command is fit to be there.
2. That the person in command is educated enough to make the correct choices.
3. That they should be blindly followed because they are always correct.

Your statement makes gross assumptions about Weir's ability to make decisions - she, like any other human being is falliable. And far from his 'self-centered decisions' that go against hers, he's been overly compliant in S2 and gone along with most of what she has said. And when he has disagreed, his input has been largely ignored. She paid more attention to his opinion when he was a Major. I feel a lot this season there has been an aurora of "I got you this promotion, toe my line".

Ladon's comment about the 'Errand Boy' couldn't have been any closer to the truth if it tried...

[ShadowMaat]

People accuse TPTB of lacking imagination (and I would count myself in that number), but how unimaginative is it to kill someone of just because YOU (generally speaking) don't like him/her?

As I recall, there was one person seriously advocating Shep's death on the Kill Shep thread. Everyone else was saying stuff along the lines of, "I don't think it needs to go that far, but..." or coming up with fun ways to "get rid of" the character- most of them NOT involving death.

I'm also sick of all the people who think that A needs to die for daring to "replace" B. A little maturity, please. There are easier and more interesting ways to try incorporating BOTH characters (whichever the two and whatever the situation) than by killing one of them. How very Highlander. There are also more imaginative ways of sidelining a character you don't like or even suggesting ways that a disliked character could- *gasp!*- be improved into something that you DO like! If there's something you hate about a character, there must be specific things about him/her that you hate and thus ways for those things to be changed.

Unless you just blindly hate a character for existing. Not much ANYONE can do about that.

I miss Ford. I miss Bates. I'd like to see both of them back as I think they're good, interesting characters (and Bates in particular offered a much-needed perspective that has ben sorely missing this season, IMO). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I think ANYONE should be killed off to make room for them again and it doesn't mean that I don't like some of the "new" characters that have been introduced- Lorne and Ronon among them. I don't want them to de any more than I want Ford or Bates to die.

[Linzi]

People accuse TPTB of lacking imagination (and I would count myself in that number), but how unimaginative is it to kill someone of just because YOU (generally speaking) don't like him/her?

As I recall, there was one person seriously advocating Shep's death on the Kill Shep thread. Everyone else was saying stuff along the lines of, "I don't think it needs to go that far, but..." or coming up with fun ways to "get rid of" the character- most of them NOT involving death.

I'm also sick of all the people who think that A needs to die for daring to "replace" B. Grow up. Get over it. There are easier and more interesting ways to try incorporating BOTH characters (whichever the two and whatever tie situation) than by killing one of them. How very Highlander. There are also more imaginative ways of sidelining a character you don't like... or better yet, try a REALLY novel approach and try suggesting ways that a disliked character could- *gasp!*- be improved into something that you (generally speaking) DO like! If there's something you hate about a character, there must be specific things about him/her that you hate and thus ways for those things to be changed.

Unless you just blindly hate a character for existing.

I miss Ford. I miss Bates. I'd like to see both of them back as I think they're good, interesting characters (and Bates in particular offered a much-needed perspective that has ben sorely missing this season, IMO). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I think ANYONE should be killed off to make room for them again and it doesn't mean that I don't like some of the "new" characters that have been introduced- Lorne and Ronon among them. I don't want them to de any more than I want Ford or Bates to die.

I miss Bates too. I liked his perspective on things. He was a great antagonist, and I liked the conflict he sometimes brought to the series. I don't know why he didn't return for season 2.
I don't want anyone to die either. I actually like all of the characters, though I have my favourites, obviously.