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    Here's how I would have ended "Fragile Balance."

    Alternate Ending

    "Fragile Balance" occurs just as it does until we reach the scene where Thor states that he is not sure he can cure Young Jack. Here is where the fic diverges from canon...Instead of being able to cure Young Jack directly, Thor needs to create another clone to monitor it's growth so he can determine exactly what he need to do to cure Young Jack.

    Thor: In order to stablize the adolescent O'Neill's genetic structure, I will need to use Loki's equipment to create another clone so that I can monitor it's development and isolate what gene sequences need to be repaired, and how to repair them.

    O'Neill: Whoa! Hold on! You mean there's going to be two little me's running around!

    Thor: If the procedure is successful, then yes, both of your clones will survive and live the average human life-span.

    O'Neill: C'mon Thor, isn't there something else you could do, anything else...magnets?

    Thor: Without a frame of reference it would be statistically impossible for me to know how to repair the flaw.

    Young Jack: We're talking about my life here...

    Sam: [interrupting] Thor, does the clone have to be of Colonel O'Neill?

    Thor: What are you suggesting?

    Sam: Clone me.

    Both Jacks look up in surprise.

    Sam: If you implant me with the same safeguard that you placed in Colonel O'Neill's genetic structure, and then cloned me, you should be able to use that information to save Colonel O'Neill's clone.

    Thor: It is possible, though the individual is different, human genetic structure similar enough on a basic level that I should be able derive the necessary information from your clone, Major Carter.

    Carter looks up at Jack with a soft, knowing smile, waiting for him to respond. Jack suppresses a similar but almost envious look on his face. Young Jack make little effort to hide the fact that he is pleased. Jack nods in approval.

    Sam: Okay, let's get started.
    ________________________

    Cut to van scene outside of the high school...this takes place much as it does in canon, but with Jack and Sam in the front seat, and Young Jack and Young Sam in the back.

    Use your imagination for the farewell dialogue.

    As Sam and Jack drive away, Young Sam and Young Jack look at each other and smile. To the same soft fade-out music they played at the end of "Lost City," we see Young Jack and Sam walk away.

    Jack's hand slowly moves toward Sam's. Their fingertips find each other and then we fade to the credits.

    Awwww...
    LOL, I remember when I wrote this little ending! I was such a softie.

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    I liked the idea of the episode but could they have found a more annoying kid?And that last scene was awful, the glasses!!! holy crap that was annoying.
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    ok something about how this episode ended has been sitting in my head for quite some time. We all know that Little Jacks see's Jack and thinks of himself. But What does Jack see when he see's the boy who is around the same age his son would've been at the time. Jack seemed uneasy like a father would about sending little Jack off to highschool. It seemed to me mini jack gave Jack something Jack had always wanted, at chance at that rite of passage. Did anyone else see it that way or am I alone here??? or am I a crazy loon???

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    does anyone else wonder what happened to mini jack?

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    I still can't decide wether I liked this.. I just watched it a second time, and thought it was much better that I previously thought - especially Michael Welch's portrayal of Jack, it just struck me as much better this time (I couldn't really see it before, not sure why). It does have some classic funny moments as well.

    There's just a couple of points though that really put me off... For instance, mini-Jacks reaction to certain things, just didn't fit right with the character to me - it was like not only was someone else playing him, but someone else was writing him too (which obviously isn't the case - but I actually had to keep reminding myself of that). Like, throughout the whole episode, mini-Jack seems very snappy, especially to Sam. Like when she teased him, and he snapped "that's SIR to you", I just couldn't see Jack doing that. And he didn't really seem to care that they were all trying to help him. And that he would try and run away from it, and that the first thing he does is to be desparate to get a beer. That... just doesn't sit right to me. Also, the fact that he didn't seem to be at all supportive of Carter for the F-302 briefing - when he was trying to persuade Hammond to let him take it still, it just struck me alsmost as if he was putting Carter down by not being confident in her. I just couldn't see him doing that.

    I know some people have said that he's just a clone so he's slightly different, but to me he shouldn't be. He shouldn't have ANY "teenage" ideas. In his head, to him, he was Jack O'Neill, a 50 yr old man. That should still have been the case even after he realised he was a clone. His mind was the same as Jacks before, why shouldn't it still be after, just because he knows he's a clone? That knowledge shouldn't change anything. Like, just because he's in a 15 yr olds body, that doesn't mean that he should like going back to High school ANY more than Jack, who clearly thinks it's a bad idea - shouldn't he too?

    Anyway, sorry to be so pokey, that was just how I took those parts. When I thought about it a little more, I guess I could see Jack saying some of those things (in some scenes he's VERY snappy), because of course he'd be incredibly "irked" - but maybe RDA wouldn't say it in quite as harsh a tone. I don't know. That's just how I took it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by scifi_girl View Post
    does anyone else wonder what happened to mini jack?
    I definitely do, all the time! I wish they'd bring him back for an episode. I know originally they couldn't, because Michael Welch was busy filming Joan of Arcadia, but Joan's been cancelled (sadly) for a while now...

    Quote Originally Posted by OrangeShipper View Post
    Anyway, sorry to be so pokey, that was just how I took those parts. When I thought about it a little more, I guess I could see Jack saying some of those things (in some scenes he's VERY snappy), because of course he'd be incredibly "irked" - but maybe RDA wouldn't say it in quite as harsh a tone. I don't know. That's just how I took it...
    I noticed his snappy-ness as well. I think a lot of it might have come from the fact that Jack was embarrased, and everyone on the base was taking every opportunity to poke fun at him, and that's how he reacted. He also might have been sick of trying to 'prove' himself - even though in his head he's still regular old Jack O'Neill, everyone is treating him differently, and I can see how that might grate on one's nerves after a while. Anyways, I would think it's just a reaction to him being pretty humiliated - *especially* in front of Carter, if you know what I mean.
    Anyways that's just my thought! You bring up a valid point, though.

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    Yes, I too, having just watched this ep for the second time, wonder what has happened to mini-Jack. It's just one of those loose ends, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sicarius View Post
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    Was she? I thought she addressed one of the guys as Major.
    wal mart music downloads has it if anyones curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Tyler View Post
    Here's how I would have ended "Fragile Balance."

    Alternate Ending

    "Fragile Balance" occurs just as it does until we reach the scene where Thor states that he is not sure he can cure Young Jack. Here is where the fic diverges from canon...Instead of being able to cure Young Jack directly, Thor needs to create another clone to monitor it's growth so he can determine exactly what he need to do to cure Young Jack.

    Thor: In order to stablize the adolescent O'Neill's genetic structure, I will need to use Loki's equipment to create another clone so that I can monitor it's development and isolate what gene sequences need to be repaired, and how to repair them.

    O'Neill: Whoa! Hold on! You mean there's going to be two little me's running around!

    Thor: If the procedure is successful, then yes, both of your clones will survive and live the average human life-span.

    O'Neill: C'mon Thor, isn't there something else you could do, anything else...magnets?

    Thor: Without a frame of reference it would be statistically impossible for me to know how to repair the flaw.

    Young Jack: We're talking about my life here...

    Sam: [interrupting] Thor, does the clone have to be of Colonel O'Neill?

    Thor: What are you suggesting?

    Sam: Clone me.

    Both Jacks look up in surprise.

    Sam: If you implant me with the same safeguard that you placed in Colonel O'Neill's genetic structure, and then cloned me, you should be able to use that information to save Colonel O'Neill's clone.

    Thor: It is possible, though the individual is different, human genetic structure similar enough on a basic level that I should be able derive the necessary information from your clone, Major Carter.

    Carter looks up at Jack with a soft, knowing smile, waiting for him to respond. Jack suppresses a similar but almost envious look on his face. Young Jack make little effort to hide the fact that he is pleased. Jack nods in approval.

    Sam: Okay, let's get started.
    ________________________

    Cut to van scene outside of the high school...this takes place much as it does in canon, but with Jack and Sam in the front seat, and Young Jack and Young Sam in the back.

    Use your imagination for the farewell dialogue.

    As Sam and Jack drive away, Young Sam and Young Jack look at each other and smile. To the same soft fade-out music they played at the end of "Lost City," we see Young Jack and Sam walk away.

    Jack's hand slowly moves toward Sam's. Their fingertips find each other and then we fade to the credits.

    Awwww...
    That's awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by Triskele925 View Post
    I noticed his snappy-ness as well. I think a lot of it might have come from the fact that Jack was embarrased, and everyone on the base was taking every opportunity to poke fun at him, and that's how he reacted. He also might have been sick of trying to 'prove' himself - even though in his head he's still regular old Jack O'Neill, everyone is treating him differently, and I can see how that might grate on one's nerves after a while. Anyways, I would think it's just a reaction to him being pretty humiliated - *especially* in front of Carter, if you know what I mean.
    Anyways that's just my thought! You bring up a valid point, though.
    Yeh, mini-jack seemed kinda cranky at times, but as normal Jack said, he should be "irked", right? I mean, no-one believed it was him, and when they did, he got teased. Carter, Teal'c and Daniel wouldn't normally be brave enough to make fun of him had he been his regular self.

    I really enjoyed this episode, it was really funny and Michael Welch did a fantastic job at acting out all the O'Neillism. I felt a bit sorry for Sam when the pilots were rudely interrupting her, but then they listened to mini-jack. Although I thought that maybe they just wanted to remind us that Jack is actually pretty smart, hence why we saw him explaining things to the pilots. Loki was pretty cool, and its a shame if we don't see him again.

    I quite liked the ending and I didn't think it was that strange that the younger Jack would be looking at the high school girls. He might have the mannerisms and memories of normal Jack, but he has the body of a teenager and as we saw at the end, he was already starting to change and make himself a new identity and path in life. So I just saw it as a young boy, who had Jack's mind kinda 'downloaded' into his (like in Fifth Race), and was now starting afresh.

    Oh, and I liked the song at the end! I don't recall a time when we've heard a normal, everyday song playing in Stargate. It was different, but good.
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    That's awesome!
    Haha, I'm glad you like it! That was ages ago.

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    Interesting Fan fic...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Tyler View Post
    Haha, I'm glad you like it! That was ages ago.
    Hehehe, yep! I'm only, what, two years behind in replying?
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    Seriously great episode. It would have been a great idea to have a mini-Jack episode near the end of the series. The actor who played him is 20 now according to IMDB, so 2006 he would be the right age to play young Jack doing exactly what you'd expect him to do: entering the military with plans to get into the Stargate program. Imagine him in the Stargate cadet program!

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    That is true.. I would actually like to see him port over to SGU.. OR possibly even SGA>

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    does anyone know what kind of shades (young o'neill) puts on at the end of the episode?

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    its funny cause Young Jack and Cassandra Fraiser are close to the same age in 2008. except cassie's older cause she was born in 1985 and Jack was "born" in 1987 which mearns depending when the episode actually was aired (not in our time but in stargate canon) that would make young jack o'neill either turning 16 pretty soon.

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    This episode is on SciFi this evening, and I am once again reminded how annoyed I am with it. I did like the episode. However, it seems to me that everyone accepted just waaay too easily that mini-Jack was indeed Jack O'Neill. Even the pilots in the training session - just because mini-Jack more or less snarled at them, they sat up and all but saluted him. I'm just surprised at how easily everyone accepted that this kid was for real (even though he turned out to be a clone). After all, in previous episodes when weird things happened, instead of believing them (for example, Daniel in "Legacy" and Sam in "Ascension"), they either sent them off to a mental institution or to a psych evaluation and just plain didn't believe them. I seriously doubt that because of those episodes, people just started believing the strange happenings around the SGC without some kind of serious proof being presented.

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    In the two cases you mention, the characters looked the same but acted weird. In this case, Jack looked different but acted the same. The check-up they gave him said he was the same except for a seemingly insignificant blip, if I remember correctly. The team accepting him, isn't that big a leap. After all, stranger things have happened.

    But I'll grant you that if the pilots weren't willing to give Sam the proper respect, it is unlikely they would have given it to some grouchy little kid, even if he did claim to be a colonel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Tyler View Post
    Here's how I would have ended "Fragile Balance."
    [..]
    Jack's hand slowly moves toward Sam's. Their fingertips find each other and then we fade to the credits.
    This whole ending is much better, thank you. It would be the only Jack-Sam relationship I don't object.

    Although I must admit that I didn't see a reason why Sam would want to go to highschool either. Cadet Hailey would have wanted an A in every test just to prove that she's the best, but not Maj.?*Carter. Also Sam is probably not an expert in all disciplines taught at school (such as literature) and could even prove some of them wrong (history). Without that school scene this film would have been much better.

    Wouldn't it be great if people could stop aging and choose to live on with the outer looks of their choice? I'd rather see the situation where Thor fails to "repair" the two clones and they don't age at all! And no [email protected]*n school. They continue to live on base like Teal'c.

    When I first watched this film, it came to me that Jack has become a security risk now. He knows everything about the stargate and is released in this highly hostile environment, a place where he'll easily get into conflicts sooner or later. At school nobody will back off receiving an answer: "That would be classified." They will beat his face to get the needed information.

    About that hot chocolate... Are people in America not supposed to drink coffee until certain (quite high) age? I didn't see any hints that General Hammond had explicitly ordered to bring the fake coffee. So this must be the airman's initiative. Everybody knows about alcohol, but is it coffee too in America?

    And how come everybody started to treat Jack so disrespectfully throughout the story, even after they had been convinced about his identity? It's hard to imagine that you could normally approach a superior officer and yank a bottle out of his hand. Previously none of the main heroes had shown a negative attitude towards consumption of alcohol. Even Teal'c drank some sort of moonshine once.

    (between pedophilia and acceptable)
    I've seen much more pedophilia in Brief Candle. Seriously I had to press 'pause' and get some air during that ep. P needs a new definition.

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    really enjoyed this ep. the kid was great at playing jack. wonderful acting there. nice to see another asgard. and thor of course. always nice to see thor. lots of quotable lines as mentioned by other posters here.

    i felt bad for sam during the pilot scene. it's a good scene for mini-jack but bad for sam.

    personally, a follow up ep with be nice. i wonder if mini-jack will join the military as well. considering what he knows, i think he would.

    so jack's an advanced form of human? could this be why he such great instincts? amazing how he can sense when soemthing is not right.

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