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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaka's_Mum
    One thing I liked about this was the way that the visions never appeared to Jonas in context. All he saw was an outcome - not the events that led to it. As a result, what seems like an incredible gift (tumour notwithstanding) turns out to be a massive double-edged sword. Instead of saving Sam from injury, his intervention leads to the very set of circumstances he was trying to prevent. Had she gone off-world as planned, she would never have been involved in the accident.

    Naturally, this puts Jonas in one heck of a quandary when he gets that vision of the off-world team being wiped out at the gate. What should he do? The last time he intervened, he caused the event he had witnessed - will that happen again? But, if he doesn't step in, and the events he witnessed come to pass - he has to live with that for the rest of his life. With only an outcome to judge by, not the contributing events, he's not got the first idea whether what he saw was the consequence of intervention or silence. All he knows is that they died.
    Isn't most prophecy done this way?

    On a completely separate note, when I first came to Wales, my primary school teacher started teaching me Welsh using the 'Cymraeg i Blant' reader series. It revolved around the life of a brother and sister and their dog. The dog's name was 'Mot', which (correct me if I'm wrong) is short for 'smotyn' or 'spot'.
    That reminds me of the readers I had in grade schools when learning to read. The brother and sister were named Dick and Jane and their dog was named Spot.

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    Yes it is - but it's just the way the Jonas tackles it. At the beginning, he views his foresight as a fantastic gift, a chance to prevent bad things happening because he sees them in advance.

    We all know that visions of the future are seriously double-edged swords, but he doesn't. Not only is it a great tool to help the team, it's also his big chance to finally win Jack's outright approval. The fact that the 'gift' is caused by something that will kill him if he doesn't get rid of it is irrelevant.

    When he finds out (the hard way) that his 'gift' is a tricky, tricky thing, this changes the perspective for him. Now, when he gets a vision, what's he supposed to make of it? What does it really mean? What will happen if he tries to prevent what he sees this time? He could save the lives of the off-world teams - or condemn them to death; and it all depends upon how he interprets what he's just seen.

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    I personally think that this episode was brillient. It makes me wonder why Jonas didn't ascend in season 7. That could of opened up a whole new path. I think that's the way we could of seen more of him. I thought he was a great character.

    Given those abilties he would of been a prime choice to ascend. I mean the episode showed that he had alot of potential (ok I know it nearly killed him!).

    Well that's what I think anyway.

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    I don't think it would have been a good thing for Jonas to ascend. For one thing, It would have left the team (yet again) without an archeologist, even if Daniel was coming back. And I don't think it would have caused the same spout of sympathy that went out to Daniel when he died and ascended. I myself was devistated at Daniel and Dr. Frasier's death, and to see Jonas die too would have been just too much. No; I think letting him live was better because this gives SG-1 a path to visit him if TPTB ever dial that address again.
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    I liked the episode. I think one thing they did good was to bring in another doctor to do the brain surgery. Fraiser's good, but for something like that, you need a specialist. They have really brought Jonas a long way into the team. Unfortunately, now that he's fully accepted, he's about done. Well, Daniel will be back soon.

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    Yeah, I won't say that I don't like Daniel, because ever since he came back he's been so much better. But I do miss Jonas. He was a great guy to have around, and he was very helpful. We have Prometheus and Daedalus thanks to his Naquadria. I think this episode showed much of the conflict he'd been having since Meridian. He wants to show he's changed and that he can do good things without putting himself first. I miss him, even though I am glad to see Daniel again. If they'd only have Jonas visit the SGC..!
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    I think this was one of my favorite episodes. Of course, I'm a sucker for all this 'see into the future' crap...

    Man... I try so hard to hate Jonas... he just isn't DJ! But he is a hard one to hate.... despite the fact that he was the replacement DJ... I guess he's okay
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    There's a certain puppyish quality that makes him annoyingly endearing. :rollseyes:

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    This is how I look at it. Daniel was always a fun guy to have around. Yes, he was a bit of a nerd, but I've always enjoyed learning about history and stuff so his job on SG-1 always appealed to me. While he wasn't my favorite character (that honor goes to Jack ) sometimes he would pull out these great solutions to problems out of thin air, and they would be just in the nick of time. Of course, at the same time, I thought he was a pretty weak character. The guy didn't seem to be able to do much but stand there, figure out translations, and struggle with the trauma of loosing his wife and girlfriend to the Goa'uld.

    However, when he died, I was in tears. How could the kill off Daniel?! He'd been around since the official movie, and he'd been best friends with Jack--heck, he'd saved Jack's life on Abydos! But that was the way that the cards fell. When season six began, I wasn't too sure that I was going to like Jonas. But you have to, in the end. In a lot of ways he was like a kid going to Disneyland; these people come from another world and tell him that therer are even more worlds to explore besides Earth and Kelowna!!! He's really excited about being excepted into this huge project with all of these older guys who know loads more than he does about Naquadria. Then this catastrophe happens at a time when he should be rejoicing about meeting people from another world. At first he lies because that's what his government is telling him to do. But when you think about, Daniel changed Jonas even as he was dying millions of light years away. Because of Daniel's sacrifice, Jonas was able to come forward with the truth about the bomb accident.

    So what I think happened was, "I'm Professor Jackson, here's what I've taught you, go and do something with it while I'm gone for a year." While Daniel was gone (and ultimetly developing as a character for the better, YEAH!!) Jonas was around and I think this might have been good for SG-1 to expirence some new blood. When Daniel came back, Jonas took all of the stuff he had learned and brought it back to his homeworld. I don't think you can hate Jonas because Daniel was better, or vice versa for that matter. They come from different backgrounds and different worlds. Each one has his good qualities and weaknesses. Perhaps one day, we'll see an episode where there's some major Daniel/Jonas interaction, problem-solving and kick butt action. That would be fun!
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    Jonas really wanted to prove himself to the team in this one. I wanted to give him a hug because he felt so bad about Sam getting hurt. And I was definitely willing to sign up to give him some TLC after his surgery. I liked how at the end Jack told him to hurry up and get better because the team needs him. And when Jonas asked Sam if Jack was okay considering he'd just said that and she told him about how it was a sign that he had the Colonel's trust and respect.

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    Nice end to the year this episode, full of action what Stargate is for!

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    Another pretty good Jonas eppy........i always love these types of episodes where someone can alter the future/events

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    Prophecy is my favorite Stargate episode of all time!

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    wow ! A great Jonas episode. Future visions and time paradox thing was indeed interesting. The vision of Jonas in which Jaffa entering SGC and destroying it was quite good.

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    Hello, I'm new posting to this forum, though I've been reading for a long time. Can someone explain what happened at the end of this ep...? What was all that sort of "fairy dust" just before the three got in the elevators to grab something to eat? I didn't get it...sorry to be so dense!!!

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    You sure this happens in prophecy? I just saw it and it ends with Jonas on the bed. Are you referring to the episode when they invite Hammond to dinner? Thats when Daniel says hi from another plane of existence . The wind signifies his presence.
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    i love this episode. my fav bit is this:
    your the tau'ri of stargate command?
    And your Lord MOTTE. come to punish us for our incilence....

    love it

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    Is this senility at such a young age???!!! I just watched this last night, does it end that way? I must be getting mixed up then as I saw the Lord Mott ep last night and the other, when DJ descends the night before, I just TiVo like crazy and watch when I have an opportunity. I am indeed referring the ep where they invite Hammond and he declines ... so that's the ep in which DJ ascends and that's DJ????

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    The episode where daniel ascends is called meridian (5x21). Prophecy is 6x21 so i think you got mixed up there.

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    It happens. Thanks for the answers everyone.

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