Disclosure (617)

[Genty]

This episode was probably my 2nd least favourite of the season after Abyss...

It just didnt add up for me, they were all all for shuting down the gate, until Thor turned up, made a fool of Kinsey and left... then theyl, all of a sudden, all changed their minds... As much as we a clip show was destined for this season, and the plt wasnt actually that bad. I was a bit disapointed with the way the episode actually panned out...

[Anubis]

Good old Thor though, and I liked Kinsey being moaned at! lol

[VirtualCLD]

They needed to save their budget for the end of the season (can we say $100,000 USD + just for the ONE effect act near the end of the season finale) so it was a typical clip show with a classic deus ex machina at the end, what's more to say?

[Selmak]

very frail... thor... skinny arms and fingers.

[jyh]

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There, I've satisfied the spoiler 'rules,' altho anyone who hasn't seen season six or this episode shouldn't have opened this thread in the first place. So there, if it's spoiled for you, it's your own darn fault!


Anyway, a local UPN network showed this episode last night, and it brought to mind a few questions I've wondered before. First of all, why were those particular countries invited to this summit? Great Britain and France I understand (altho if this had been filmed AFTER the Iraqi war began......). But what was China doing there? We (US govt) don't particularly like China or trust them (political repression, human rights violations). I just loved the line when the Chinese ambassador said "The Chinese government doesn't lie to its people." Har har, good one. You don't imprison political dissidents, either, do you?

I also wondered where some other countries were. I know the explanation they gave was something about "countries with the greatest military strength" or something like that. But Great Britain is rather small, size-wise, but so is Japan. And Japan probably has cooler technology for their soldiers. And what about Germany? They've supposedly been a political ally of the US (well, again, if this was filmed NOW....)


OOOH, wait, possible spoilers for later seasons:



Also, since that episode, I haven't seen much interaction with soldiers or governments represented at this summit. Except for Russia, of course, but even they have had a limited role. So what happened to the cooperation they all pledged? Has it been discussed at all?

[aAnubiSs]

it was the UN Security Council.

[Replicarter]

Britain is small, but were smarter, we don’t go shooting the men of countries fighting WITH US, also, I thought China had something against the US they were going to release to the public?

[Anubis]

China certainly had something against the US in this episode. The UK was as supportive as I expected but China were a bit evil not agreeing to the terms, since the US didn't have to share that information.

[Wyrminarrd]

As they guy said, it was the UN security council so having China there made sense.

This suited the writes well for they could use China as the bad guy easily and have them be the ones that need to be won over. This then makes it easier to justify showing clips from episodes where the most daring things have happened and the most spectacular.

[jyh]

it was the UN Security Council.

That's true, they are permanent members of the Security Council, but that isn't what General Hammond said at the beginning. He mentioned something about the countries with great military force or military might, or something to that effect, I don't recall exact words. That's what made me wonder.

[Wyrminarrd]

Well, those are also the major nuclear powers in the world.....

[mcdonis]

This episode was probably my 2nd least favourite of the season after Abyss...

It just didnt add up for me, they were all all for shuting down the gate, until Thor turned up, made a fool of Kinsey and left... then theyl, all of a sudden, all changed their minds... As much as we a clip show was destined for this season, and the plt wasnt actually that bad. I was a bit disapointed with the way the episode actually panned out...

The funny thing about Stargate is that at times when it seems that the show has a premise for a juicy plot they fall flat. Yet when they have what seems as a normal or weak premise they pull out a very good show. go figure?

I agree that the ending was a little poor. I think they could have done without about half of the choping and just did dialog. And I dont think kinsey was needed. While it was a good twist it was too much for one episode. Frankly their was hardly any discussion of the project. Almost no questions were asked by the rep's. I hardly think that they would be willing to just agree without more detailed info. Not to mention I think they would question Thor and what he really meant.

Yes I know its a tv show and they dont have the time. But this kind of juicy plot should have been left for a two parter.

[Anubis]

They needed to save their budget for the end of the season (can we say $100,000 USD + just for the ONE effect act near the end of the season finale) so it was a typical clip show with a classic deus ex machina at the end, what's more to say?

That affect at the end didn't seem like $100,000 but I'm no expert on this sort of stuff. I'm glad that they resolved their little 'argument' but this certainly wasn't the best episode of the season. I think they could have made it better, if they tried.

[Ramne]

But Great Britain is rather small, size-wise, but so is Japan. And Japan probably has cooler technology for their soldiers.

I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now. They kind of stretched the definition to help out in Iraq, saying it was a self defense move against terrorism and such.

Again, I am no expert, and I am sure others know more about it than I do, but that just popped into my mind when I was reading this ;p

[Mr Prophet]

I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now.

I believe this is so; that's why when Godzilla attacks they just have the guys in the white helmets who run around shouting a lot.

[Major Fischer]

I am far from an expert on this, but I believe the new Constitution Japan put into effect following WW2 prohibits them from maintaining an Army. They do have Self Defense Forces and such, but are mainly a pacifist nation now. They kind of stretched the definition to help out in Iraq, saying it was a self defense move against terrorism and such.

You are correct, the JSDF is limited by it's contitution in size and budget. There have been efforts in recent years to change that part of the constitution by those who (I believe rightly) believe that the nation's influence in world affairs is limited because they are unwilling to risk the lives of their sons and daughters.

These measures have been defeated handily. The pacifist constitution is one of the most popular elements of the government in Japan. I don't see it changing anytime soon.

[SeaBee]

You can just hear the PTB.
"OK, guys you're over budget, time to dig out some clips!"

I think I've said it before, but I'll say it again. I hate clip shows. I really wish people who make programs would stop bringing out visual "greatest hits" progs whenever they need to save some cash.

[XToDaZ]

I liked little grey man Thor again, nice move indeed by general Hammond. [Mod snip]

Anyway, about Japan. They want to get into the UNSC as fast as possible, as does Germany, and they have already stepped on the edge of their consitution with the troops stationed in Iraq. Surely their pacifist constitution will be changed some day soon and quite frankly, I can't blame them. If China was my neighbor, well, I'd like to gear up and get armed and ready too.
[Mod snip] [They] can't be strapped forever because of the 40's ... they're more trustworthy than China is in my opinion.

[alz0rz]

Also, since that episode, I haven't seen much interaction with soldiers or governments represented at this summit. Except for Russia, of course, but even they have had a limited role. So what happened to the cooperation they all pledged? Has it been discussed at all?

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Well we do see in Atlantis that its more of a international expedition - from all around.



Also, am I the only one that in Discolure they mention SG1 so much they should have had a walk-in during the brefeing. "These are the guys who you owe your life to" and Teal'c a real live alien.. but then again Thor's sexy appearance made up for all that but it was still expected

and Kinsey got owned.. nuff said

[Erik Pasternak]

Also, am I the only one that in Discolure they mention SG1 so much they should have had a walk-in during the brefeing.

The purpose of clip shows is to save money, so the regulars (minus the venerable George Hammond) don't appear.