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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    well.... some of the Ha'tak scaling can be explained away.
    different goa'uld build their ships differently.

    but the scaling is for the most part completely messed up for almost everything.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
    Yeah, well, just don't be surprised if even rough estimates tend to be completely off by more than 200%.
    Did I tell you that story about the Ha'tak in Enemies being like 8.5 km large?
    i'd like to hear that sorry lol, could you post pics or something??
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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    I don't know where i heard this but I remember reading somewhere that a system Lords flagships look exactly the same as normal ha'taks but are bigger, this would explain the ship from 'enemies' being bigger as SG-1 aquired it from a system lord.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by kirmit View Post
    I don't know where i heard this but I remember reading somewhere that a system Lords flagships look exactly the same as normal ha'taks but are bigger, this would explain the ship from 'enemies' being bigger as SG-1 aquired it from a system lord.
    yes, but it's only supposed to be slightly bigger...8.5km is like 10 times bigger
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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Buba uognarf View Post
    yes, but it's only supposed to be slightly bigger...8.5km is like 10 times bigger
    yer true but I never remember a ha'tak looking that big, it looked big in 'enemies' compared to the Alkesh but no where near 8.5km.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by O'Neil View Post
    Like I said in a previous thread....

    There are several versions of atlantis. Rainmaker modeled the first initial city (first season), but now for the second season, Rainmaker doesnt handle all of the CG aspects of the show. There are other studio's which are doing work for the show now, so they modeled their own city. Each one looks different and im pretty sure they are scaled differently, but relatively keeping the same look and feel.
    That sounds kinda wierd, seeing as how much work it is to model a city it would make much more sense to put the .max file on a thumdrive and send it away with UPS

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by kirmit View Post
    I don't know where i heard this but I remember reading somewhere that a system Lords flagships look exactly the same as normal ha'taks but are bigger, this would explain the ship from 'enemies' being bigger as SG-1 aquired it from a system lord.
    Never heard anything about that, and never seen evidence. Apophis' Ha'taks were even slightly smaller than the late Ha'taks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Buba uognarf View Post
    i'd like to hear that sorry lol, could you post pics or something??
    It's like a comic book, but with screenshots and horrible lines painted on them.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Cory Holmes View Post
    This is the Lost City of the Ancients, people! Not the Lost Village, Township, Hamlet, or Farmstead!
    I may be wrong about this (I read so much fanfic sometimes I can't remember what's canon and what's not) but in a season 3 ep (I think it was Progeny),
    Spoiler:
    wasn't there an entire planet of Ancienty city things? (Sorry lol, I'm not very good at describing stuff) I mean, I know it had been rebuilt by the replicators, but surely that would mean that Atlantis is only part of the city of the Ancients?

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    How can it take 3 ZPMs for atlantis to lift off and fly through hyperspace if it is so much smaller then a HIve ship that can do it without one?

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by CouchPotator View Post
    How can it take 3 ZPMs for atlantis to lift off and fly through hyperspace if it is so much smaller then a HIve ship that can do it without one?
    well to be fair we have no idea on what powersource hives use.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Cory Holmes View Post
    XJamesX:

    Do you think you could temporarily re-scale your Atlantis model to the size of Manhattan (21km from end to end)? I wanna see how much it dwarfs the Daedalus then
    here you go. It dwarfs it.



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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Ahh, now that is what the city is supposed to look like! Piddly little BC-304 makes it all the grander.

    How about the first-person view you shared earlier? How would the central towers look when scaled to that size?

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    And that is exactly like the city it will never like, unless they intend to stop and restart the show from scratch.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
    And that is exactly like the city it will never like, unless they intend to stop and restart the show from scratch.
    Or decide to arbitrarily re-scale the city at a later point. As has been mentioned before, that wouldn't exactly be new in the history of Stargate.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by CouchPotator View Post
    How can it take 3 ZPMs for atlantis to lift off and fly through hyperspace if it is so much smaller then a HIve ship that can do it without one?
    Even the Goa'uld can do it with things like Apophis flagship which was about the size of Atlantis (real size not the dinky one).

    The whole 3zpms to fly thing is idiotic. There's no way to explain why it should take the power of somethin like 3-6 supernovas just to make the city fly. The only way I can think of to explain it is that there's some sort of provision in the computer system that requires a ZPM to be plugged into all 3 slots before it will let you turn the engines on. Some sort of safeguard or ancient nanny system of something stupid like that. It doesn't make any sense that it's actually a power requirement.

    Of course this is coming from the same guys who think sticking your 6 supernova powered shield under a few hundred feet of water is something that's worth doing to drastically improve the protection you're getting.

    Kinda like robocop putting on mosquito repellant there.

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Ah, TPTB and their continuity errors, you think they would have learned from the '3 shot zat' by now. If it takes 3 ZPM's for the CIty to fully function, then the place must be as massive as the Manhattan scale shown above. But remember, if it takes at least 1 to power the shield, 1 to fully power the weapons, then logically it takes another one to operate the stardrive. And seeing you need the shield to protect the city from the vacuum of space, then I suppose it's theoretically possible to fly the city on just 2. But
    Spoiler:
    In 'First Strike, they apparently get the city to fly, even though there is only 1 ZPM readily available (although a quick deus ex can solve that problem)
    Saboo - "You know nothing of the crunch, you've never even been to the crunch!"

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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Oragahn View Post
    And that is exactly like the city it will never like, unless they intend to stop and restart the show from scratch.
    would be a twist if they learnt that the city wasn't Atlantis and there's a real city size ship out there somewhere. I personally think that would be very lame but wouldn't put it past TPTB .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirmit View Post
    would be a twist if they learnt that the city wasn't Atlantis and there's a real city size ship out there somewhere. I personally think that would be very lame but wouldn't put it past TPTB .
    On the next Stargate: Atlantis

    A Random Pegasus Resident, on some random planet, to the team: "So you are from the City of the Ancients huh? We have our own dwelling of the ancestors as well."

    He brings the team to a thriving metropolis completely protected by a shield, advanced weaponry, and the place is 10 times the size of NYC.

    Sheppard: "Its more of a hamlet then a city, really."
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    Default Re: Finally! A definitive answer on the real size of Atlantis

    Quote Originally Posted by Death From Above View Post
    But remember, if it takes at least 1 to power the shield, 1 to fully power the weapons, then logically it takes another one to operate the stardrive. And seeing you need the shield to protect the city from the vacuum of space, then I suppose it's theoretically possible to fly the city on just 2.
    I would say that it possibly runs the shield off ZPM 1, the inertial dampeners off ZPM 2 and the star drive off ZPM 3, that is one way of explaining it away Or the city can operate on two ZPM's but the third is used for safety (If you have three and one depletes you have time to swap it with a fresh one without loosening the city shield or inertial dampeners)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Death From Above View Post
    Ah, TPTB and their continuity errors, you think they would have learned from the '3 shot zat' by now. If it takes 3 ZPM's for the CIty to fully function, then the place must be as massive as the Manhattan scale shown above. But remember, if it takes at least 1 to power the shield, 1 to fully power the weapons, then logically it takes another one to operate the stardrive. And seeing you need the shield to protect the city from the vacuum of space, then I suppose it's theoretically possible to fly the city on just 2. But
    Spoiler:
    In 'First Strike, they apparently get the city to fly, even though there is only 1 ZPM readily available (although a quick deus ex can solve that problem)
    Atlantis is as big as Lower Manhattan, the key word is Lower.
    That would be crazy if it was the size of the whole of Manhattan.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_Manhattan

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