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Quote:When the series started to gain momentum and became a critical darling, you realized your pipe dream of getting a revival just the way you wanted it wasn't going to happen.
Actually, we quickly realized that Moore/Ron’s version of Galactica was “Galactica in Name Only”, hence the term GINO. Anyone who’d seen ANY other sci-fi through out their lives, was able to quickly pick-up all the riffs in the show. Moore/Ron borrowed from Star Trek, from Babylon 5, from Space: Above and Beyond, X-Beyond the Frontier, Alien Nation, Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, Star Wars... and the list goes on and on.
Hell, he went as far as to actually RIP OFF dialogue from TV shows and movies LINE – FOR – LINE!
And while we’re talking about how successful Galactica is... well... why don’t we look at the show’s ratings, shall we?
The Galactica Mini-Series has a maximum Nielson Rating of 3.8 on December 9, 2003 for the second part of the Mini-Series.
Since then? Well by the start of the First season the Ratings were:
33/Water January 14, 2005 2.6
-- but by the end of that season it was:
Kobol's Last Gleaming pt.1 March 25, 2005 2.2
-- and by the end of the second season it was:
Downloaded February 24, 2006 1.8
-- and this just gives you the averages as GINO spins around the drain, its ratings continuing to drop, a lot of this “critical acclaim” coming from people like Matt Roush – a Trekkie whose been friends with Moore/Ron for years; they’ve been friends since Moore/Ron’s STNG days.
The show is “not” cutting edge.
It is a straight-up riff on dozens of other shows, borrowing plots, borrowing stories, borrowing thematic styles, borrowing chunks of dialogue from other shows in order to prop up this series.
And, as the ratings continue to drop and the appeal of this show, which has completely failed to find a broad-range market appeal outside the established sci-fi community.
This show has ratings that are lower than Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise.
It is not a ratings success and it has actually succeeded in driving fans off (Colonial Fleets have outright banned GINO from their forum, and they’re the biggest Galactica site on the web) while failing to garner any new fans to support the show.
Success?
I think not.
Quote:How pathetic must your life be to watch and REVIEW a series you despise.
Well... uh... actually... only ONE person does that. The Moderator of this forum, "Thinker" and he does it so those of us who have no interest in support GINO, don't have to go through the PAIN - actual, physical, mental, and emotional pain - of watching anything THIS bad.
Quote:But to write full length reviews, write endictments against the characters, come up with 5,000 lame nick-names for each character...that takes you to a level of uberloserdom that I have never seen before.
And yet… you are posting here with us. :\
:lol
For some of us - GINO is a guilty pleasure.
For some of us - GINO is the reason we locked out SFC.
It all depends on one's perspective.
My perspective?
This show sucks and that the classic BSG series was, over all, a better show with better characters.
Let's examine some of the facts, shall we?
Classic Battlestar Galactica WAS the highest rated Sci-Fi series to EVER aired on television.
Classic Battlestar Galactica IS the highest rated Sci-Fi series to have EVER been aired on television.
The title does not belong to Star Trek, to Buck Rogers, Next-Gen, Babylon 5, X-Files, or any other TV series... it belongs to Classic Battlestar Galactica and the show would have continued on for years, if not for the cost involved in making a big-budget sci-fi series in 1978.
:smokin
You cannot say that, because the original show was made in 1978 and the cast has 1970s hair, that the show was some how less valuable or poorer in quality than Neo-Galactica. That would be like saying that "Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan" was inferior to "Star Trek: Nemesis" because William Shatner was wearing a girdle and had 1980s hair. :lol
What is the psychology behind the animosity?
Glad you asked. :evil
Fist, a history lesson: Rick Berman, during his stint running the Trek franchise, operated under the notion that to succeed and get his version of Trek to work and be judged as good or superior to the original, he had to actively pursue devaluing and undermining TOS, get fans to tow the company like that TOS was bad; he did this in order to prop up things like... Voyager and distract people from realizing just how sucky his version of Trek was. :x
Ronald D. Moore, who studied under Berman for years, has adopted this same notion. Devalue the original version of Galactica, undermine the show in it's entirety and pick out key points about the show in order to TRY and get fans to tout HIS company line that Neo Galactica is better; to prop up his own show, by pointing out issues with the original incarnation of Galactica. :rolleyes
Sad thing? :|
You guys have bought into this hook, line, and sinker! :lol
Fancy camera movement does not make the new Galactica superior to the original. Nor does making the character's so flawed as to be nearly useless, just so he can showcase character growth which looks monumental without making much of any change at all... simply because the bar has been set SO LOW. brother
Now, if you want to look at the original Galactica and point to episodes like "The Magnificent Warriors", which even classic fans admit to being Galactica's version of "Spock's Brain", and try and use that to claim the entire series was horrible, then I would just like to thank-you for being Ronald D. Moore's loyal puppet. :\
But I would like you to show me an episode of Neo-Galactica that can hold a candle to:
Saga of a Star World
Lost Planet of the Gods
Gun on Ice Planet Zero
The Living Legend
Fire in Space
War of the Gods
Murder on the Rising Star
Experiment in Terra
Take the Celestra
The Hand of God
Well? Can you seriously tout episodes like 33, Water, Bastille Day - a cheap riff on "Baltar's Escape" - as being comparable? How about yawners like Scattered or Valley of Darkness, their big season openers?
With all the plot riffs and concept riffs from:
"Flight of the Phoenix (Water)"
"LEXX" (time repeating it's self - dark CGI FX - sex, sex, sex)
"ST: Voyager" (Seven of Nine, calling woman "sir")
"Space: Above & Beyond" (human build simulants out to kill humanity after becoming self aware)
"Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" (Heavy Droid Troops = new Cylon design)
"Farscape" (Mental Clone of Scorpious being implanted into John Kryton's head)
"ID4" (computer hacking to disable enemy computer systems and leave them vulnerable to attack)
"Logan's Run" (Man and a woman running about post-nuclear world and being hunted down for extermination)
"Taken" (aliens looking to create a human/alien hybrid to evolve and preserve their race)
"Babylon 5" (Evolution conspiracy motivating the bad guys ~ coup of the legal president)
"Wing Commander" (Borrowing the opening/closing launch bay design, to say nothing of 3D animation style)
-- and the show ripping off dialogue from just about every popular movie and TV show that came out of the 1970s, including Patton and his verbal sparring with Monty, The Incredible Hulk and David Banner's warning to Reporter Jack McGee, etc, etc, etc. My god, it is like the guy goes to www.imdb.com and goes to the "famous quotes" area for a flick he's riffing, in order to find dialogue he can use, because Ronny and his boys cannot come up with any good lines on their own. :lol
This is what you call superior? brother
I am sorry but nothing Boxey and Muffit ever did, comes near to being as BAD as all the points mentioned above.
Having watched nine of the thirteen episodes from Season One – what most have told me were the best episodes of Season One – I have not been impressed, have not seen anything that even attempts to be original.
As a writer myself, I immediately took notice that Ronny is pulling a classic Hollywood trick... take a well known theme the audience has enjoyed in the past, and do it just a little bit different so as to make the new version of a tried and true story, not boring.
For the most part, he has succeeded, due in no small part to the director and NOT the writing.
I freely admit that Neo-Galactica is well directed and has very stimulating camera action, but the writing is paper thin – I’ve seen episodes of Power Rangers with more depth!
Also, let us not forget that ALL Ronald D. Moore has done... is take the ORIGINAL version of “Battlestar Galactica” and . . . stretch . . . it . . . out.
THAT’S IT!
Their entire first season brought us from the ORIGINAL Saga of a Star World, to the episode Lost Planet of the Gods! Their entire Second Season will ONLY take us from Lost Planet of the Gods, to the episode The Living Legend!
Am I really the only person who has noticed that Ronny is SO creatively bankrupt that ALL he can do is take the story arc from the original series and stretch the whole thing out with exposition and riffed plot points and call that a season?
How much you guys want to bet that their THIRD season (oh, God I pray it doesn’t make it that far ), would take them from the episode The Living Legend to the episode War of the Gods? Hmmm? Who wants to take that bet? :lol
Neo-Galactica? Still a sucky riff fest, packed with borrowed plots, stolen dialogue, and some piss poor characters who cannot hold a candle to the originals.
Face it the new Galactica sucks. It has one good actor but the stories are lame and stupid - plot's boring and tedious - and the entire show is devoid of any originality.
Quote:When the series started to gain momentum and became a critical darling, you realized your pipe dream of getting a revival just the way you wanted it wasn't going to happen.
Actually, we quickly realized that Moore/Ron’s version of Galactica was “Galactica in Name Only”, hence the term GINO. Anyone who’d seen ANY other sci-fi through out their lives, was able to quickly pick-up all the riffs in the show. Moore/Ron borrowed from Star Trek, from Babylon 5, from Space: Above and Beyond, X-Beyond the Frontier, Alien Nation, Earth: Final Conflict, Andromeda, Star Wars... and the list goes on and on.
Hell, he went as far as to actually RIP OFF dialogue from TV shows and movies LINE – FOR – LINE!
And while we’re talking about how successful Galactica is... well... why don’t we look at the show’s ratings, shall we?
The Galactica Mini-Series has a maximum Nielson Rating of 3.8 on December 9, 2003 for the second part of the Mini-Series.
Since then? Well by the start of the First season the Ratings were:
33/Water January 14, 2005 2.6
-- but by the end of that season it was:
Kobol's Last Gleaming pt.1 March 25, 2005 2.2
-- and by the end of the second season it was:
Downloaded February 24, 2006 1.8
-- and this just gives you the averages as GINO spins around the drain, its ratings continuing to drop, a lot of this “critical acclaim” coming from people like Matt Roush – a Trekkie whose been friends with Moore/Ron for years; they’ve been friends since Moore/Ron’s STNG days.
The show is “not” cutting edge.
It is a straight-up riff on dozens of other shows, borrowing plots, borrowing stories, borrowing thematic styles, borrowing chunks of dialogue from other shows in order to prop up this series.
And, as the ratings continue to drop and the appeal of this show, which has completely failed to find a broad-range market appeal outside the established sci-fi community.
This show has ratings that are lower than Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Enterprise.
It is not a ratings success and it has actually succeeded in driving fans off (Colonial Fleets have outright banned GINO from their forum, and they’re the biggest Galactica site on the web) while failing to garner any new fans to support the show.
Success?
I think not.
Quote:How pathetic must your life be to watch and REVIEW a series you despise.
Well... uh... actually... only ONE person does that. The Moderator of this forum, "Thinker" and he does it so those of us who have no interest in support GINO, don't have to go through the PAIN - actual, physical, mental, and emotional pain - of watching anything THIS bad.
Quote:But to write full length reviews, write endictments against the characters, come up with 5,000 lame nick-names for each character...that takes you to a level of uberloserdom that I have never seen before.
And yet… you are posting here with us. :\
:lol
For some of us - GINO is a guilty pleasure.
For some of us - GINO is the reason we locked out SFC.
It all depends on one's perspective.
My perspective?
This show sucks and that the classic BSG series was, over all, a better show with better characters.
Let's examine some of the facts, shall we?
Classic Battlestar Galactica WAS the highest rated Sci-Fi series to EVER aired on television.
Classic Battlestar Galactica IS the highest rated Sci-Fi series to have EVER been aired on television.
The title does not belong to Star Trek, to Buck Rogers, Next-Gen, Babylon 5, X-Files, or any other TV series... it belongs to Classic Battlestar Galactica and the show would have continued on for years, if not for the cost involved in making a big-budget sci-fi series in 1978.
:smokin
You cannot say that, because the original show was made in 1978 and the cast has 1970s hair, that the show was some how less valuable or poorer in quality than Neo-Galactica. That would be like saying that "Star Trek II, the Wrath of Khan" was inferior to "Star Trek: Nemesis" because William Shatner was wearing a girdle and had 1980s hair. :lol
What is the psychology behind the animosity?
Glad you asked. :evil
Fist, a history lesson: Rick Berman, during his stint running the Trek franchise, operated under the notion that to succeed and get his version of Trek to work and be judged as good or superior to the original, he had to actively pursue devaluing and undermining TOS, get fans to tow the company like that TOS was bad; he did this in order to prop up things like... Voyager and distract people from realizing just how sucky his version of Trek was. :x
Ronald D. Moore, who studied under Berman for years, has adopted this same notion. Devalue the original version of Galactica, undermine the show in it's entirety and pick out key points about the show in order to TRY and get fans to tout HIS company line that Neo Galactica is better; to prop up his own show, by pointing out issues with the original incarnation of Galactica. :rolleyes
Sad thing? :|
You guys have bought into this hook, line, and sinker! :lol
Fancy camera movement does not make the new Galactica superior to the original. Nor does making the character's so flawed as to be nearly useless, just so he can showcase character growth which looks monumental without making much of any change at all... simply because the bar has been set SO LOW. brother
Now, if you want to look at the original Galactica and point to episodes like "The Magnificent Warriors", which even classic fans admit to being Galactica's version of "Spock's Brain", and try and use that to claim the entire series was horrible, then I would just like to thank-you for being Ronald D. Moore's loyal puppet. :\
But I would like you to show me an episode of Neo-Galactica that can hold a candle to:
Saga of a Star World
Lost Planet of the Gods
Gun on Ice Planet Zero
The Living Legend
Fire in Space
War of the Gods
Murder on the Rising Star
Experiment in Terra
Take the Celestra
The Hand of God
Well? Can you seriously tout episodes like 33, Water, Bastille Day - a cheap riff on "Baltar's Escape" - as being comparable? How about yawners like Scattered or Valley of Darkness, their big season openers?
With all the plot riffs and concept riffs from:
"Flight of the Phoenix (Water)"
"LEXX" (time repeating it's self - dark CGI FX - sex, sex, sex)
"ST: Voyager" (Seven of Nine, calling woman "sir")
"Space: Above & Beyond" (human build simulants out to kill humanity after becoming self aware)
"Star Wars: Attack of the Clones" (Heavy Droid Troops = new Cylon design)
"Farscape" (Mental Clone of Scorpious being implanted into John Kryton's head)
"ID4" (computer hacking to disable enemy computer systems and leave them vulnerable to attack)
"Logan's Run" (Man and a woman running about post-nuclear world and being hunted down for extermination)
"Taken" (aliens looking to create a human/alien hybrid to evolve and preserve their race)
"Babylon 5" (Evolution conspiracy motivating the bad guys ~ coup of the legal president)
"Wing Commander" (Borrowing the opening/closing launch bay design, to say nothing of 3D animation style)
-- and the show ripping off dialogue from just about every popular movie and TV show that came out of the 1970s, including Patton and his verbal sparring with Monty, The Incredible Hulk and David Banner's warning to Reporter Jack McGee, etc, etc, etc. My god, it is like the guy goes to www.imdb.com and goes to the "famous quotes" area for a flick he's riffing, in order to find dialogue he can use, because Ronny and his boys cannot come up with any good lines on their own. :lol
This is what you call superior? brother
I am sorry but nothing Boxey and Muffit ever did, comes near to being as BAD as all the points mentioned above.
Having watched nine of the thirteen episodes from Season One – what most have told me were the best episodes of Season One – I have not been impressed, have not seen anything that even attempts to be original.
As a writer myself, I immediately took notice that Ronny is pulling a classic Hollywood trick... take a well known theme the audience has enjoyed in the past, and do it just a little bit different so as to make the new version of a tried and true story, not boring.
For the most part, he has succeeded, due in no small part to the director and NOT the writing.
I freely admit that Neo-Galactica is well directed and has very stimulating camera action, but the writing is paper thin – I’ve seen episodes of Power Rangers with more depth!
Also, let us not forget that ALL Ronald D. Moore has done... is take the ORIGINAL version of “Battlestar Galactica” and . . . stretch . . . it . . . out.
THAT’S IT!
Their entire first season brought us from the ORIGINAL Saga of a Star World, to the episode Lost Planet of the Gods! Their entire Second Season will ONLY take us from Lost Planet of the Gods, to the episode The Living Legend!
Am I really the only person who has noticed that Ronny is SO creatively bankrupt that ALL he can do is take the story arc from the original series and stretch the whole thing out with exposition and riffed plot points and call that a season?
How much you guys want to bet that their THIRD season (oh, God I pray it doesn’t make it that far ), would take them from the episode The Living Legend to the episode War of the Gods? Hmmm? Who wants to take that bet? :lol
Neo-Galactica? Still a sucky riff fest, packed with borrowed plots, stolen dialogue, and some piss poor characters who cannot hold a candle to the originals.
Face it the new Galactica sucks. It has one good actor but the stories are lame and stupid - plot's boring and tedious - and the entire show is devoid of any originality.
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