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    It was good to see alien technology being used for once,even if it was to frame jack! Good bit of detective work by sam and agent barrett.
    It's nice to have a couple of episodes on earth fighting other humans who seem to be more of a challenge than the goa'uld!

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    I didnt really like this episode as it didnt really have the gate in it. I mean thats the focus of the show the gate and it wasnt even used.
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    Nice to see they went back to that foothold tech, but glad that there's not an overwhelming amount of earth eppys in this season.....

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    just watched this episode again and im thinking there are quite a few plot holes:

    1. that guy who used the mimic device to kill kinsey as davis and oneill...he works for the NID and has never been to the SGC. but at the end Sam used a mimic device to mimic him...how? when was he ever scanned by the scanner thing from foothold?

    2. when that guy used the device to mimic jack to purchase the weapon. he went in and handled a second weapon which is how Sam and Barrett got his prints...again, how? If he was mimicking Jack, then why arent Jacks prints on that weapon?

    3. and once again, that guy with the mimic devices (sorry i cant remmeber his name lol) he was given the task of killing Kinsey at the beginning and as far as he knows, he succeeded. However he was just in a coma but Barrett said that nobody was allowed to know that he was still alive because they needed him to bring down the shadow NID. So if it was such a big secret and nobody, not even Sam, knew Kinsey was still alive....how did the guy with the mimic device know? Because he went into the hospital to finish the job, but who told him Kinsey isnt actually dead?


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    1) When first referenced, Sam mentions they tried to get the mimic machine to work but couldn't get it to hold an image for more than a few minutes. They stuck the bad guy in the machine after they grabbed him.

    2) The mimic device apparently projects a holographic image, not changes the form of the wearer. Don't think about it too hard.

    3) Major Davis is one of the original mimic copies, and was told about Kinsey. I assume they told the fake Davis accidentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurf
    1) When first referenced, Sam mentions they tried to get the mimic machine to work but couldn't get it to hold an image for more than a few minutes. They stuck the bad guy in the machine after they grabbed him.

    2) The mimic device apparently projects a holographic image, not changes the form of the wearer. Don't think about it too hard.

    3) Major Davis is one of the original mimic copies, and was told about Kinsey. I assume they told the fake Davis accidentally.
    3. Or there were more holes than Barret thought, which, given that this is the NID we're talking about, is certainly possible.
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    This was the only episode I hadn't gotten around to seeing yet. I kind of wish it had stayed that way.
    • I didn't see anything remotely Stargate in this whole episode.


    • I've never liked the NID.


    • Agent Barrett is kind of boring.


    • I hope Jonas remembered to go back and get that secret file out of the bushes where he threw it when he was chasing scientist guy.


    • I know we had a bunch of mimic devices, but where exactly was the scanner they used so that Sam could look like the assassin?

    As my husband commented at the end:

    I think this episode was wearing one of those mimic devices cause that sure looked like an episode of "The X-Files" to me. (albeit a bad one)
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    Maybe I'm the only one, but I actually didn't mind this episode. Even though Stargate is meant to be sci-fi, I always enjoy the earth based stories. I like the fact that every season has a few episodes set on earth because it shows us a different angle to the characters and to the show itself; that sg-1 is just as capable in resolving mysteries and political issues as it is when fighting goa'uld. We are also able to see how politics and government matters affect the SGC program.

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    And, the scene between Kinsey and Jack in the end trumps anything else in the episode.
    Definitely! That scene was awesome, even though Kinsey comes out on top. I can't stand that man, which I guess is the purpose of his character

    Also, Teal'c taking out that guy with his arm was classic!
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    Hmm. I don't hate this episode - primarily because I'm a Kinsey fan. I think Ronny does a superb job playing the wretched old idiot. I have to agree that that brief moment when Ol' Bob finally thinks he's got one over on Jack is classic. Ah, pride comes before a fall!

    I'd include an evil grin at this point - but there doesn't appear to be one...

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    I agree with some that major davis very attractive other than that without any idea that this episode would be about it is pretty good in that you have the conflicting thought of whether of not Jack really did kill Kinsey. Not my facorite but not bad. Also..Why do the fingerprints not match? If someone already mentioned this im sorry I just didnt feel like reading 4 pages of comments, but if it takes on the entire image, and the image feels real to others, why wouldnt the fingerprints match the image?

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    I'm not sure if this has been already mentioned in this topic, i spotted something funny with christopher judge, when sam, hammond, jonas and himself are walking up the flight of stairs together, a few minutes into the episode, teal'c tries to walk kinda side by side with jonas, but jonas keeps walking in front of him, and just when he is about to go off camera, you can see teal'c laughing! did anyone else spot this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chezlee View Post
    I agree with some that major davis very attractive other than that without any idea that this episode would be about it is pretty good in that you have the conflicting thought of whether of not Jack really did kill Kinsey. Not my facorite but not bad. Also..Why do the fingerprints not match? If someone already mentioned this im sorry I just didnt feel like reading 4 pages of comments, but if it takes on the entire image, and the image feels real to others, why wouldnt the fingerprints match the image?

    This is my own thoughts so someone can correct me if I am wrong. But din't the fingerprints not match because what the devices did was only to create the illusion of seeing someone else? So everything else would remain the same, because you weren't really that person but an illusion of that person?

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    Very interesting,

    I wish they would have allowed Kinsey to be killed, why did they have to bring him back. I did find it interesting that the assassins last name was Devlin, a name which should be very interesting to those who have seen season 4 of Atlantis (Devlin medical technologies). My favorite part of this episode was how they brought back the mimicking devices into the story. I hate when they encounter technology and it is never mentioned again, so this episode was very refreshing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captain jake View Post
    Very interesting,

    I wish they would have allowed Kinsey to be killed, why did they have to bring him back. I did find it interesting that the assassins last name was Devlin, a name which should be very interesting to those who have seen season 4 of Atlantis (Devlin medical technologies). My favorite part of this episode was how they brought back the mimicking devices into the story. I hate when they encounter technology and it is never mentioned again, so this episode was very refreshing.
    I agree Jake. It was cool to see them bring back that tech. The Devlin name that's sometimes used in the series is a salute to Dean Devlin who wrote/produced the original Stargate film.

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    Oh man. The last scene was very painful to watch. Jack having to need Kinsey to clear his name. Ugh...

    Overall, I liked the episode. The NID, for once, is on the good side.

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    good episode, just one thing though. they were sitting in the briefing room watching a tape of O'Neill in the hallway of the building where Kinsey was shoot from and no one asked the obvious question and that is: "if O'Neill was Special Ops trained then why would he allow himself to be seen on cam? wouldn't he have taken out the cam and any other surveillance first? they are trained to be stealthy u know."
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordAnubis82 View Post
    good episode, just one thing though. they were sitting in the briefing room watching a tape of O'Neill in the hallway of the building where Kinsey was shoot from and no one asked the obvious question and that is: "if O'Neill was Special Ops trained then why would he allow himself to be seen on cam? wouldn't he have taken out the cam and any other surveillance first? they are trained to be stealthy u know."
    yeah. i immediately noticed that too. as usual, i just blame the plot.

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    I really liked this episode. Well, except for Jack being framed. But that had to be there in order for the team to be able to exhonerate him. Even though Hammond brought the Airman in to take Jack into custody, Hammond states right out that he doesn't believe Jack did it. And a bit later when Hammond and Carter are coming up the stairs, they both say they know for sure the Colonel didn't do it. And then Hammond puts the rest of SG1 on leave in order to put their full efforts into finding out exactly what happened and how to free Jack.

    Love the trust and back-up there. Not a single question about whether he was innocent. I liked that Sam got to check out things in her dress uniform - more impressive and very businesslike. Though I also thought she looked great in her casual girl clothes when she met Barrett in the park, and then the black suit when they went to check out the house that blew up. She seemed very confident in what she was doing and wasn't going to take any crap from Barrett about sharing information.

    I was also bothered by the so-called evidence of finding the gun in the lake. I thought there was a pond at Jack's cabin; it isn't a lake. And having a neighbor claim to have seen him dumping something in the lake, ... well there are no neighbors near enough to his cabin to see anything, plus even if it had been Jack he would have waited until really dark and dressed himself in black clothing so nobody lurking around uninvited would even see him doing anything. Obviously somebody was paid to claim they saw him doing that, but it never came up again.

    Kinsey - will I have nothing to say about him. (**jerk that he is**).

    Just liked how the team got really involved in sorting things out and got their guy off the hook, except that he had to show up with Kinsey and shake his hand ... which he undoubtedly wanted to do something else with, but couldn't.

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    Kinsey is such a jerk I wished he really got killed, lol. The way he turn the whole event into a heroic act of his own.

    Then again I wouldn't expect any less from real life politician, LOL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    Kinsey is such a jerk I wished he really got killed, lol. The way he turn the whole event into a heroic act of his own.

    Then again I wouldn't expect any less from real life politician, LOL.
    so true, he is so far up his own arse you just wanna shoot him, like jack

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