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    I like this episode all the way untill the end. God Fifth was a really bad character I hope I dont see him in future.

    One of the low points for me seeing SG1 didnt resolve the problem Fifth did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeleine_W
    There certainly was plenty of Reese in Fifth, which was great. He's a jolly good actor. The moment when he realised he was betrayed was surprisingly heart-rending considering he was an OC of only 30 mins standing.
    Yeah, I just saw the last 15-ish minutes of this episode and it remains among my top favorites, if not my favorite of all time.
    Gods... I want to cry!! I feel so sympathetic towards Fifth, even when in S8
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    he goes all wacky
    . I watched Jack at the end of this episode and all I'm thinking is "You unfeeling *******!!" I can't believe he did that. Poor Fifth. I just want to reach in at the end when it focuses on his sad, lost little puppy dog face and give him a big hug and tell him everything's gonna be okay because in S8,
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    he'll get his own personal Carter to play with.


    About Gemini,
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    I hope Fifth's not dead for good. I love that character. He's so pretty and out of control. I want to see more of him!!
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    You know... I never realised how good Season 6 was/is...
    Now that I'm revisiting it on DVD and watching them continuously (with hindsight)... all I can is "Wow, it really goes places". I'm really *ahem* surprised *cough* at how good it is... and am beginning to understand why people aren't so happy about the characterization of Carter in subsequent seasons...

    Unnatural Selection... not exactly a touchy feely episode, is it? A morass of ethical issues being raised, and as others have said, it shows another side to this gungho military thing.

    I really like Carter here... I like the fact that in spite of her military and scientific background, she is still fundamentally a human being... I don't always get that from Carter... More often than not I feel that she's just a humanized gobbledegook machine but in this episode, I see a tender side, her obvious discomfort in following Jack's orders and the look in her eyes at the end of the episode that all is not well with the universe.

    Jonas... I've always liked... yes, in some ways he fills that role vacated by Daniel but I think he makes it his own. He is the conscience of the team now and has the gumption to say what Carter is thinking but dares not say.

    The episode certainly throws a different light on Jack... for him, I suggest, the world is black and white. Perhaps it is easier for him to see things in those terms having been in the military for as long as he has and seen more horrors than most of us can ever even begin to imagine. He has to rationalize the situation in his terms... I pity him... that look on his face at the end highlights so well the dilemma... the second thoughts may be having.

    I am uncomfortable with Jack's decision but I know we're meant to be... it definitely opens up a whole can of worms regarding the sanctity of sentient life even with amoral beings such as the replicators.

    "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

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    I don't really agree with Jack's Decision in this ep, but i can understand why he chose to leave Fifth Behind.

    If you looked at it from his view, they are pretedors (Sp?). I mean even Fifth was different, he still had the knowaldge of how make another "Human" like replicator. He could have build the army of his own and who knows what could have happened....

    That's the way i see it, *hides behind Davis to make sure no one grills her *

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    I think Jack made the right decision, although it certainly was a difficult one to watch, but .... Fifth was a risk, a huge one. He alone could make who knows how many more replicators, and the galaxy could end up back where it started. Jack isn't the type of person who can leave that kind of risk out there.

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    I think it was more than that Fifth was a risk that made Jack leave him behind. I don't think they had time to go back for him, not when the galaxy was at stake.

    Thinking about Jack's stony face at the end; I've always thought that he looked grim because he knew that leaving Fifth behind was a betrayal (justifiable and necessary, but still a betrayal). But maybe he's looking grim because he's wondering: what if I'd had to leave one of my *team* behind, to save the galaxy?

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    This is my favorite ep. ever, because of the moral dilemma, and because you KNOW Fifth will show up again, for vengeance. The knowledge that SG1 has just made a super-powerful enemy, and that from this point forward, they pretty much deserve whatever they get at the hands of the replicators, adds to the already gorgeous tension created by the betrayal. Plus I love Fifth, and the new dimension his character adds to the replicators. That they can be driven by some purpose other than their self-replication programming, and that SG1 was the deciding force in whether that potential will be benign or vengeful, is an incredible twist.

    But it is interesting to note that Jack, whose convictions were strong enough to cause Kanan to return for the slave who helped him infiltrate Baal's fortress, doesn't feel bound by the same considerations when he's dealing with someone who could potentially be a threat to Earth.
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    The best thing about this episode: they finally made the replicators cool. I know a lot of the Star Trek people compare them to the borg, but c'mon the little techno-locusts weren't that scary. 1st creeped me out. I love how the writers and Patrick Currie played 5th. It's like you got to see (between this, New Rising, and Gemini) what would happen to a child raised VERY wrong. One of season 6 best episodes.
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    Daniel: Oh please. Teal'c is like one of the deepest people I know. He's so deep. Tell him how deep you are. You'll be lucky if you understand this.
    Teal'c: My depth is immaterial to this conversation.
    Daniel: Oh! You see?
    Jack: (to Daniel) No more beer for you.

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    I think Jack made the right decision, although it certainly was a difficult one to watch, but .... Fifth was a risk, a huge one. He alone could make who knows how many more replicators, and the galaxy could end up back where it started. Jack isn't the type of person who can leave that kind of risk out there.
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    cher hair

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    - Freakiest/most awesome line ever: "To come forth"

    -That asgard mothership is so freakin' cool. It seems like Thor is the only one on the ship. Does it only take one person to command one of those things?

    -I wonder if the Replicators would use the stargate for travel or if they woul eat it.

    -I wish they would have shown what the replicator's saw when they looked into Teal'c's head

    -Fifth put everyone in a chair except for Jonas after their first session. Funny

    -The Replicator's are in an Asgard temple? Does this mean the asgard have a religion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PugGate
    -The Replicator's are in an Asgard temple? Does this mean the asgard have a religion?
    I thought it was a Replicator temple. Which, when you think about it, scarier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jill_Ion
    Both the Reese episode and Unnatural Selection made me think about what it is to be alive or sentient. The end of Unnatural Selection still bugs me. I wonder if Jack traded one problem for another? Yes, he solved the issue of the potential danger of taking an Advanced Replicator out of the time bubble in the short term, but in the long term, this very "human" Rep. has now experienced betrayal, which could completely mess him up and turn what appeared to be a "good" Rep into a "bad" Rep.
    That's what I was wondering. Does Fifth become the main bad guy replicator who we see later, (in Season 8).

    Quote Originally Posted by Liv
    I just have to point out that that look on Teal'c:s face when Jack tries to eat from his food canister (is it ice-cream?) is about the funniest thing ever.
    I thought so too. Then he gives Jack his own container. Then when he's eaten almost all of his, he swaps it with Jacks.

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    It was great to see the team pull together to try to help Thor and the Asgard. Loved Jonas, Teal'c, and Jack eating ice cream and talking. It was great how Jack kept having Jonas practice with the gun because he wanted to make sure he'd be okay. And I volunteer to give Jonas some first aid and TLC to deal with those blisters he said he was getting. I felt bad for Fifth because he was so hurt by being left behind. I did like how Jonas and Sam were questioning the decision and realized that they used Fifth's own humanity against him..

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    I'm finally making myself go back and watch Season 6. I tuned out for over a year due to a loss of showtime in late Season 5 followed by a loss of Daniel in Season 6.

    I've got to admit that this episode rocks. Admittedly, I'm only halfway through the season, so my vote is still out. However, this episode was well done, and I felt for Fifth more than Jack.

    Especially in Season 6, Jack appears to have trouble with alien beings, Jonas, Fifth, etc., which is ironic given that his best buddy is Teal'c and that he introduced the world to Thor. Yes, Fifth was a risk, but Jack's decision appeared cold blooded. When he looked guilty at the end of the episode, I was thinking "Good. Maybe he'll learn something."

    It seems that Jack made the same mistake with the replicators twice. He also failed to see the goodness in the android (I forget her name) who created the replicators. Just a few more moments between the android and Daniel might have prevented the entire replicator problem.

    It is an excellent episode because it creates so many things to ponder . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuvsJonasQuinn
    It was great to see the team pull together to try to help Thor and the Asgard. Loved Jonas, Teal'c, and Jack eating ice cream and talking. It was great how Jack kept having Jonas practice with the gun because he wanted to make sure he'd be okay. And I volunteer to give Jonas some first aid and TLC to deal with those blisters he said he was getting. I felt bad for Fifth because he was so hurt by being left behind. I did like how Jonas and Sam were questioning the decision and realized that they used Fifth's own humanity against him..
    Must agree. I loved that last scene when Jonas and Sam were both upset. Sam more than Jonas. Excellent.
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    I like this episode all the way untill the end. God Fifth was a really bad character I hope I dont see him in future.

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    No not another ship lost to the Asgard, how did they ever become powerful? I have to presume it's the cloning thats made them stupid.Thats why they don't wear shoes they can't work out how to tie them up! (only joking you gotta love them)
    The new replicators were a bit scary especially when they stuck their hands into the teams heads. I'm surprised there aren't more of them though, they've had plenty of time to make loads. You just gotta wonder what they get upto when theres nobody about.
    FIRST-I spy with my little eye something beginning with R.

    FIFTH-erm...could it be Replicator block.

    FIRST- Doh!
    Poor old fifth!

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    ITs good that they used time decelleration to slow down thier development an ingenious way that hadnt been looked up on SG-1 since a matter of time.
    Oh Yes the Sam is Back and hes more Sci-fied up than ever !!!!!!!!!

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    A pretty darn good episode and hello fifth!

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