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    Default BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    I think one of the things this show will be remembered for -- or at least, one of the things that will be brought up in future analyses of what 'made [it] so great' is the willingness of its creators (esp Moore) to be bold with their use of time scope and time scale.

    To be willing, in one instance, to have a handful of episodes that take place in a matter of a week or two, and then, in the next instance, to be willing to suddenly incorporate a year-long progression is bold, daring, and, IMHO, a key to the show's vital spark. It's refreshing to watch something on TV -- sci-fi or otherwise -- that isn't quaking in its boots to adhere to convention and the tried and true every step (pun intended ) of the way.

    I look forward to the third season, and I salute the producers' methods.

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    Amen!
    There's truth in "No Guts, No Glory"!! RDM & producers have been taking a lot of creative risks and they've all paid off. I don't want to see stereotype & boring sci-fi like Enterprise, but innovative & ground-breaking stuff like BSG!

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    Quote Originally Posted by designez
    Amen!
    There's truth in "No Guts, No Glory"!! RDM & producers have been taking a lot of creative risks and they've all paid off. I don't want to see stereotype & boring sci-fi like Enterprise, but innovative & ground-breaking stuff like BSG!
    Exactly.

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    I dont know it seems like RDM just screwed the character development from S1 S2, and hit a reset button.

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    No I think the season finale of Season 2 will be remembered as the downfall of the new BSG.
    The turning point in wich a great show became a mediocre show.
    I´m sorry to say it but thats my assessment.

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    The one year jump is a classic example of hitting the reset button who knows maybe RDM can keep it together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IEatCylons
    The one year jump is a classic example of hitting the reset button who knows maybe RDM can keep it together.
    No, not a reset button at all, just a time-jump

    now if they all go back to their ships, and everyone back in their old places
    roslin president again, the cylons hunting them again like in s1 and s2, then RDM will have pushed the reset button

    Spoiler:
    I've heard the new Caprica Cylon occupation story will be the first 4-5 eps, wished it would at least have been till the mid-season

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    I loved the first season and a half (23 episodes) when it took place in around 2 months time. Then the second half of season 2 (10 episodes) took place in seven months. I felt that the show lost some of the original coolness. Now we skip a whole year in one episode? I hated that ending.

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    The "reset button" is what is used on SG1 and SGA that keeps the characters from developing and becoming more interesting. Everything is static and nothing progresses. There is no feeling of danger when our heroes are in tough situations.

    BSG goes way out on a limb with stories and character development every week. You never know who will live and who will die or what the heck sort of twist is going to be tossed our way. I just wish more shows incorporated this type of thinking in their plot development. Might make TV more interesting.

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    I have a distinctly strong feeling that this isn't at all an instance of hitting a 'reset button' with respect to BSG characters and their characterization.

    I think it will (if we're all lucky) play out as an opportunity for the further development, refinement, and exploration of the same characters that we know and love -- it's a great setting. The one year progression allows us to see which traits and ways are truly integral to the various characters and which were more a result of the context of their earlier situation.

    The chief seems to be a leader of the masses or the plebs, regardless of whether he is in a hangar bay or a union meeting. Seeing Adama (the elder) still roaming the halls of the ship one year out reinforces his commitment to duty and his affinity for the Galactica -- as did his willingness to not counteract Baltar's orders. Or 'wow Starbuck actually has a strong streak of commitment in her -- she's frakking married'. The scenes between Tigh and Adama gave further elaboration to their friendship and of Tigh's commitment to duty as well (and, in my admittedly favourable opinion -- I like Tigh -- he also seemed to have somewhat cleaned himself up one year out).

    Etc etc etc

    I agree with some people (on other topics have I heard this mainly) that it's a risky move. But I don't see it as a reset. I also think it holds great potential (to echo my own initial post )
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    Quote Originally Posted by IEatCylons
    The one year jump is a classic example of hitting the reset button who knows maybe RDM can keep it together.
    I don't agree with that assessment. A reset button is when you start over and forget everything that's happened before. That's not what happened. Everything that has happened in the past 2 years has factored into what happened in the last 20 minutes of the finale. I don't believe that anything or anyone was out of character or that anything was "reset".

    Ron Moore wanted to see what would happen if they found a planet and decided to settle down and stop running. He wanted to see what would happen to the characters because of such a change. And instead of doing what most sci-fi shows do (i.e. Star Trek), he did *not* go with the reset button scenerio. That is, this is *not* a dream. This is *not* an alternate reality that will correct itself in one episode and everything will return to normal. Everything that has happeend the past 2 years has lead them down this road. And the ramifications of this will be huge for the overall story of BSG and for all of the characters. This doesn't sound like a "reset" at all to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apollo123
    I don't agree with that assessment. A reset button is when you start over and forget everything that's happened before. That's not what happened. Everything that has happened in the past 2 years has factored into what happened in the last 20 minutes of the finale. I don't believe that anything or anyone was out of character or that anything was "reset".

    Ron Moore wanted to see what would happen if they found a planet and decided to settle down and stop running. He wanted to see what would happen to the characters because of such a change. And instead of doing what most sci-fi shows do (i.e. Star Trek), he did *not* go with the reset button scenerio. That is, this is *not* a dream. This is *not* an alternate reality that will correct itself in one episode and everything will return to normal. Everything that has happeend the past 2 years has lead them down this road. And the ramifications of this will be huge for the overall story of BSG and for all of the characters. This doesn't sound like a "reset" at all to me.
    To me the 1 year jump fells like RDM is starting over kara is trying to save anders the main characters are trying to build a resistance it seems like a V clone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IEatCylons
    To me the 1 year jump fells like RDM is starting over kara is trying to save anders the main characters are trying to build a resistance it seems like a V clone.
    Well I guess it's similar to having a sequel or starting a new chapter. It's a starting over of sorts in that it's a fresh storyline, but everything that happened in the previous chapter is important and had a purpose in bringing the story to where it is now. My interpretation of a "reset" is something where nothing that occured in the past mattered and we might as well skip the first 2 seasons and start from season 3.

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    I don't view the one year jump as a reset. I think of it more as yet another trial that causes extremes....

    Kara falling in love and finding life sucks for normal people (unable to get antibiotics), chief takes charge of the grunts and makes them "his" team. And I love the new president's office decor. About the only person who is almost unaffected by the changes is Roslyn, but that might be the whole higher power thing she has going on.

    My only gripe about the time jump is the lack of progress made on New Caprica. I would have thought that a team of people who can build a space fighter outta spare parts would have done better than a tent city refugee camp. Or maybe that was just an extension of poor management by the President.

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    Aslong as they don't make anymore big jumps i'm fine with it, the only thing i hated was the Chief-Cally thing, was nice to see how the rest panned out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoolishPleasure
    The "reset button" is what is used on SG1 and SGA that keeps the characters from developing and becoming more interesting. Everything is static and nothing progresses. There is no feeling of danger when our heroes are in tough situations.

    BSG goes way out on a limb with stories and character development every week. You never know who will live and who will die or what the heck sort of twist is going to be tossed our way. I just wish more shows incorporated this type of thinking in their plot development. Might make TV more interesting.
    I look at it this way. I get something fresh and different with BSG when it comes to sudden unexplained turns, and I get something of constitency, and semi predictability with SG-1 and Atlantis. I mean we all know that somehow next Season SG-1 will stop the Ori from conquering the Milki way, and that Shepard's team will save the Milki Way from another threat, and I like that. It helps me pass the time until July.

    BSG on the other hand is going to drive me crazy until October to see how the heck some of them get out of this mess. If they even do.

    Having said all that I just hope they don't make some other huge jump, and try and build up some kind of dumb resistance that is similar in scope the French Underground. At most I think a couple of months passing would be fine. It will give Galactica time to figure how the nuke the cylons, and save the principle cast.

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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    I liked that the first two seasons covered 8-9 months in the Galactica timeline. Not counting the unavoidable hiatus it felt a lot like "real time" to me. I understand why TPTB chose to make the one year jump... the next action packed chapter in the rag tag fleet's life came a year after settlement. As interesting as it would have been to watch Baltar sink into the hole we found him in, or to watch Kara settle down and leave the Colonial Fleet, I don't think it would have been interesting enough to keep viewers watching for a whole season. The folks on the ground would of had to go SG1 on us and find a whole bunch of evil aliens to fight to keep ratings up. Sorry, but Star Gate is serialized enough to get away with that format... Galactica isn't.

    My only problem with the jump is that it hinted at a lot of real interesting personal stuff, and TPTB are going to have to be very fine in juggling that backstory with the present day reality of Cylon Occupation (and subsequent escape?) To steal from the Show... they've put themselves in a position where the writers need to roll a Hard 6 to come out ahead.

    It's certainly doable but it's not going to be easy. This is a huge gamble... I just hope Moore's got the game rigged.

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    Contains S2 finale spoilers (dont read if you havent watched!)
    I think what RDM is going to do with the one-year advance is have a lot of flash backs.. Pretty sure that season 3 is going to have a ton of flash backs about living on new caprica and what the rest of the crew did on solid ground. For example, the chief and Cally were together in the end of the last episode and she was pregnant.. Starbucks man was deathly ill! Looked like The XO and his wife were hooking back up! Roslin was a teacher again! and Baltar was a slut with 5 girls all over him.. And yes the cylons invaded and didnt destroy anything..
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    Default Re: BSG's Boldness with 'Time Scale' = a key component of its greatness :)

    Quote Originally Posted by FoolishPleasure
    The "reset button" is what is used on SG1 and SGA that keeps the characters from developing and becoming more interesting.
    They don't develop? So they're all exactly the same as when the show began?
    I think not. The two best examples are Hammond and Teal'c.
    Hammond was a complete miltary hard-ass at the start, but over the years he got closer to his teams, especially SG-1.
    And do I really need to explain Teal'c's development?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zues
    Contains S2 finale spoilers (dont read if you havent watched!)
    I think what RDM is going to do with the one-year advance is have a lot of flash backs.. Pretty sure that season 3 is going to have a ton of flash backs about living on new caprica and what the rest of the crew did on solid ground. For example, the chief and Cally were together in the end of the last episode and she was pregnant.. Starbucks man was deathly ill! Looked like The XO and his wife were hooking back up! Roslin was a teacher again! and Baltar was a slut with 5 girls all over him.. And yes the cylons invaded and didnt destroy anything..
    There will definitely be a lot of flashbacks to fill us in on what happened the past year. But I hope he doesn't overdue it such that it becomes "Lost" in space (pardon the pun).

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