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    can you amagine the WAY different direction the show would have taken if she would have lived? The Goa'uld would be getting their @$$es kicked hard core....

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    I was hoping the Tok'ra would be able to replinish their numbers at least in some way this episode.

    Good story nice twist about the queen's identity, and some really good Jonas scenes. The part where he fell into the incubating pool scared the hell outta me.
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    Okay, here's what I need to know, forgive me if this question has been asnwered, my comp is slow ...

    How on earth does that gigantic Queen get into a human? Does she drop the egg shell or something? That makes sense. I saw the head lying nearby so .. I guess she molted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-RA
    How on earth does that gigantic Queen get into a human? Does she drop the egg shell or something? That makes sense. I saw the head lying nearby so .. I guess she molted?
    I was wondering the same thing the first time I saw it. I was like, " If she crammed all of herself into that lady's head, those two are gonna have one intense headache!"
    I thought the head was the body of the other Tok'ra, the one who abandoned the host so that the Tok'ra mom-person (forgot the name) could move in.

    Here's a theory: Did you ever see the Aliens movies? At one point (in the first one, I think), the Alien queen broke away from her egg-laying parts so that she could move around. Maybe the Goa'uld queens create a detachable part of their bodies that they birth little Goa'uldlings through and they can release that part of their body when they're through with it or something like that...
    I suppose what I just said will make a lot more sense if you have seen the movie but I don't really know how to describe it well.
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    Seemed odd to me that Jonas didn't get zapped by a symbiote. In other eps, the symbiotes jump into a body at first oportunity. He was in that pool for several minutes. I guess it must have something to do with their minds being blank or something. I guess these symbiotes are stupid. If so then maybe a better question would be why the other guy DID get zapped .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-RA
    Okay, here's what I need to know, forgive me if this question has been asnwered, my comp is slow ...

    How on earth does that gigantic Queen get into a human? Does she drop the egg shell or something? That makes sense. I saw the head lying nearby so .. I guess she molted?
    Here's my theory on Queen Goa'ulds:

    While normal Goa'ulds can have any gender of host they want, queens must be in a female host if they want to spawn. Remember, every time we've seen a queen Goa'uld (or Tok'ra) out of a host and preparing to spawn, they had this huge egg-sac thing that looks really gross.




    You can't really see it in these pics, but when you pause the DVD it looks like the sac and the symbiote have a fairly clear dividing line, and that they're attached to each other, not integral components. Well. There's certainly no room inside a human for that huge sac, and in Egeria's case she went from that tank in the first pic straight to a human host. So the egg sac must be detachable. Now, if they don't have an egg sac while in a human host (and certainly, Hathor's trim figure had no room for one! Neither did what's her name who became Egeria's last host in "Cure"), what do they use instead?

    Aha! Human females have an organ that fulfills basically the same function. We call it a womb. So my theory is that the queen just kind of attaches herself and modifies it for her own purposes. This would neatly explain why it was so critical for Amaunet to hibernate while Sha're was pregnant, which otherwise doesn't make sense to me. It would also neatly fit with Hathor's method of procuring the "code of life" from Daniel--everything went where it would have if she'd been a normal human woman, it was just put to a slightly different purpose.

    Now, this theory's kinda gross imho, but it fits the facts we have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GateTraveler
    Seemed odd to me that Jonas didn't get zapped by a symbiote. In other eps, the symbiotes jump into a body at first oportunity. He was in that pool for several minutes. I guess it must have something to do with their minds being blank or something. I guess these symbiotes are stupid. If so then maybe a better question would be why the other guy DID get zapped .
    Maybe there's varying degrees of stupidity?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    Here's my theory on Queen Goa'ulds:

    While normal Goa'ulds can have any gender of host they want, queens must be in a female host if they want to spawn. Remember, every time we've seen a queen Goa'uld (or Tok'ra) out of a host and preparing to spawn, they had this huge egg-sac thing that looks really gross.
    A good example of a queen spawning without a sac is Hathor in S1 episode by the same name. But she need a water for the symboits to spawn into.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greytop
    I believe it is 4. Hathor, Egeria, Ammonet, and one unnamed queen in a later story.
    Wouldn't Isis count? I mean Osiris definitely referred to her as his "queen" in Summit. Though that could just have been a figure of speech or something I guess.

    I thought this episode would be another "an alien race offers something to SG-1, but there's a catch" at first, but I really liked the Egeria revelation. It was too bad she died so quickly

    One question though: was Egeria's new host really happy about dying with her? Perhaps she thought Egeria being extracted to allow her to live wouldn't be a very dignified death. Still a bit tough on her though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Celsius
    Wouldn't Isis count? I mean Osiris definitely referred to her as his "queen" in Summit. Though that could just have been a figure of speech or something I guess.
    I'm pretty sure that Janet confirmed the Isis symbiote was a queen, but if we're counting the daed there's also Cleopatra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NORCALJJ
    can you amagine the WAY different direction the show would have taken if she would have lived? The Goa'uld would be getting their @$$es kicked hard core....
    Yeah... i was actually cried when she died
    so now the Tok'ra are extinct race

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    I liked this episode. I too was thinking either she should have been revived somehow, maybe being in a host or a one time use of a sarc, OR she should have birthed a new queen. Then the Tok'ra could increase their numbers again. Also, one option for those people would have been to blend and become Tok'ra with these new Tok'ra symbiotes.

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    If you go to the bit where they find the girl on the floor n the original symbiote next to her. Look to your right and oyu see a part of the tank. The Big fat jelly egg holding birth incubator baby rucksack fthing is floating around in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Prophet
    I'm pretty sure that Janet confirmed the Isis symbiote was a queen, but if we're counting the daed there's also Cleopatra.
    Cleopatra as in the fossil Dr. Rothman found in "the First Ones"?

    One detail that gives me hope that Egeria will come back is that the Tok'ra carried her through the gate instead of disintegrating her body.
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    Another great episode from S6 but did we have to call the Tok'ra

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    Was a good episode and a good intro to tretonin..............did anybody else notice that the stargate's "water" at the end seemed unusually dark???

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoneStar1836 View Post
    Okay, I know this is a stupid observation/question, but when the guy was treading water and then is suddenly yanked down under and submerged. Just who was doing the yanking? (Or at least getting “pulled” under is how I interpreted what happened.) Last I looked symbiotes didn’t have hands. Guess they grabbed him with their fins or whatever you call them. Sorry, I know that’s not a serious question to prompt a serious discussion, but I just found it funny and never thought about it before until I watched it again today. Any ideas how all those little symbiotes “pulled” that guy under?
    I was wondering the same thing!

    I quite like this episode. The only thing I found distracting was the music since much of it is so recognizable as coming from "The Curse" along with a bit from "Meridian" and it kept making me think of those episodes. This is the only episode where I've found the music less than great. Also, there's a point near the beginning where Jonas and Teal'c are walking along and it looks like Teal'c is about to crack up (in laughter)....makes me wonder what's going on off-screen.

    Other than that, though, I really liked "The Cure". It's one of the only episodes I can think of where there isn't really a bad guy.....just a bunch of misunderstandings. I kind of like it when shows do that as I think that's usually what happens in real life. Miscommunication rather than malice.

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    Hello everyone, my first post, and it's a small plot hole spot:

    The reasons why Egeria died have been mentioned, but why the female host (formerly Kelmaa's)? She was healthy, and the Tok'ra don't kill their hosts if they die. So why was she being carted through the stargate with a sheet over her head? If she'd lived, another symbiote could have blended and gathered the memories of both Kelmaa and Egeria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stonewaller View Post
    Hello everyone, my first post, and it's a small plot hole spot:

    The reasons why Egeria died have been mentioned, but why the female host (formerly Kelmaa's)? She was healthy, and the Tok'ra don't kill their hosts if they die. So why was she being carted through the stargate with a sheet over her head? If she'd lived, another symbiote could have blended and gathered the memories of both Kelmaa and Egeria.
    I think the symbiote has to make a conscious and physical effort not to take their host with them. Maybe Egeria was too weak by that point, similar to
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    I'd go with that. Egeria was already dying by the time Malek and Kelmaa first encountered her and still thought she was a Goa'uld queen. The chances of her being strong enough to keep Kelmaa's host alive as she died were minimal. Admittedly the best explanation doesn't materialise until season 8 (hence the spoiler tags ^); but given that, when Jolinar died, she had started out in full health, and that Sam actually says that Jolinar sacrificed herself to save her, it's safe to assume from this that to do so requires a conscious decision on the part of the Symbiote - and, given that they were both hovering on the verge of death at the time, some effort. Egeria's weakened condition presumably robbed her of the ability to make that choice.

    It was quite remarkable that Kelmaa's host was also willing to make that sacrifice. I suppose the two of them were so well blended that she didn't want to exist without Kelmaa and was prepared to take on Egeria because then it wouldn't be long before she followed her former symbiote.

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