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    normally, i have to admit, i don't really care either way what they do to jack he's one of the few characters i really don't whump

    BUT i absolutely loved the stuff between jack and daniel and then jack and the lotar (especially the way she'd appear and then fade away made it more moving like that i thought ) and everyone did a fabulous emotional job

    and of course baal is in it

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    I can understand why you seem all so happy with this episode. I agree that the story and the interaction between Jack and Daniel are really great and powerful.

    But, there's something that prevents me to enjoying Abyss. I don't understand why Daniel followed the rules of the Ascended. He was never the one to follow orders and rules before his ascension, how is it that he began to do that at the very moment his friend needed him the most ? To me, it's completely out of character for Daniel. Which is sad because I never truely enjoyed Abyss because of that.

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    I hated that Daniel wouldn't help Jack when I first watched it; I was honestly ready to dislike Daniel for that. But then after seeing that he couldn't stop Anubis
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    it seemed like he just knew that trying to help wouldn't do him any good. I think if he literally could have helped, he would have. But it did make me wonder how that affected their friendship...I mean if a friend refused to help me when he had the power to do so, would I be able to trust him after that, even if everything worked out in the situation at hand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yasureubetcha
    I hated that Daniel wouldn't help Jack when I first watched it; I was honestly ready to dislike Daniel for that. But then after seeing that he couldn't stop Anubis
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    and getting the full story in Threads
    it seemed like he just knew that trying to help wouldn't do him any good. I think if he literally could have helped, he would have. But it did make me wonder how that affected their friendship...I mean if a friend refused to help me when he had the power to do so, would I be able to trust him after that, even if everything worked out in the situation at hand?
    Yeah. Even if, after descension, Daniel doesn't remember it, Jack does. And even if he doesn't want to deal with it, it should still affect how he interacts with Daniel. But we've never seen a hint of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lys
    I can understand why you seem all so happy with this episode. I agree that the story and the interaction between Jack and Daniel are really great and powerful.

    But, there's something that prevents me to enjoying Abyss. I don't understand why Daniel followed the rules of the Ascended. He was never the one to follow orders and rules before his ascension, how is it that he began to do that at the very moment his friend needed him the most ? To me, it's completely out of character for Daniel. Which is sad because I never truely enjoyed Abyss because of that.
    He had no choice in the matter. The other ascended would have know if he helped Jack, and as Daniel was newly ascended, I don't think he knew what would happen to him, if he broke the rule of non-interference. And as an ascended being, he was no longer the Daniel we knew, so as much as he loved Jack, he would not break the rule.

    I think the pathos of Jack initially pleading for help and Daniel being "powerless" to help, made the episode so compelling. I thought Abyss was excellent, in both writing, directing, special effects and of course, acting.

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    Fantastic episode and RDA was SUPER!!!
    love the interaction between Jack and Daniel too but what Daniel was doing in here??? i was surprised

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    Abyss is quite possibly my favorite episode in season 6. There were so many great moments between Daniel and Jack. For all those who didn't like that Daniel wouldn't help, I got the impression that more than anything he wanted to blow up the walls, and strike all the jaffa with lightning bolts. But he knew that the "others" were watching him..."They're ALWAYS watching..."
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    I liked it. Good to see Daniel again. Breaks up him not being in most of season 6.

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    I liked that even though Daniel was at a higher level of existance, he was still the same old guy. The PTB didn't try to change his personality. His personality was good enough to allow him to ascend in the first place, no need to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noo ani Anqueetus
    Abyss is quite possibly my favorite episode in season 6. There were so many great moments between Daniel and Jack. For all those who didn't like that Daniel wouldn't help, I got the impression that more than anything he wanted to blow up the walls, and strike all the jaffa with lightning bolts. But he knew that the "others" were watching him..."They're ALWAYS watching..."
    Oh, absolutely. And anyone who didn't get that in this ep should have gotten it it Threads in S8.

    What bugs me about this episode isn't in this episode, it's in the lack of follow up to it. O'Neill is brutally tortured. For a long time. HE comes very close to breaking; he admits that.

    Yet next week, and the week after, and the week after that, it's business as usual. No counseling, no nightmares, no post-traumatic stress, no recovery time of any kind. No lingering issues of any kind, either. It bugs me. Especially when Daniel shows up again in season seven. Daniel is Jack's best friend. Daniel had the power to break him out and stop the torture. Daniel didn't. And Jack has no issues with this? We as viewers know that Daniel couldn't have done anything; Jack, in the middle of things and not seeing what Daneil sees, can't know that. And even if he did, I'd still expect at least some kind of issues; issues like that are rarely rational.. But there's nothing.
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    i like this Ep because it is the return of Daniel

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    I was ready to dislike Daniel in this episode too, for all the reasons others have outlined. But the first time I watched it - without knowing what was to come in the rest of the season - I remembered that is Daniel's nature, to explore and understand new cultures as well as being fiercely loyal to his friends. He couldn't help and that is the nature of the difference between him and Jack.
    But I loved this episode, RDA is truly fantastic and this one just makes me cry. Ba'al is evil.... the enjoyment with which he tortures O'Neill is obvious. OOOH he's a good baddie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beatrice
    Daniel had the power to break him out and stop the torture. Daniel didn't. And Jack has no issues with this? We as viewers know that Daniel couldn't have done anything; Jack, in the middle of things and not seeing what Daneil sees, can't know that.
    He did know that though - Daniel told him.

    "I'd break you out of here"

    "The Others would stop you".

    That seemed to be borne out later in s6 when Daniel reminded Jack that there was a line he couldn't cross; Jack told him "cross it"; and Daniel went to goodness-knows-where-but-Jack-certainly-didn't. I'm sure Jack worked out that there was a high likelihood of Daniel's disappearance being connected with these 'Others' long before the start of s7.

    Besides, it's not like Daniel didn't do anything. He made it possible for Jack to get himself out - less dramatic than a glowy jailbreak with much glowy zapping, but still pretty helpful. Jack's thanks at the end of the ep make it clear (IMO) that Jack sees this.

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    I'm certain, as to the way they showed it, that Daniel put the idea in Teal'c's mind about how to get Jack out. I just wondered why they didn't make that clearer.

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    Ah, I remeber watching this epsiode, so I did actually watch some of the episodes from this season. This episode I loved again another great slasher episode lots and lots and lots of Danny boy and Jack moments *sighs*. And Ba'al what a cute lol. Granted that it was perdictable that Jack would be saved in the nick of time, but nevertheless it didn't stop me from loving this episode. I don't know what I enjoyed more the return of Daniel or the J/D moments....


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    Quote Originally Posted by emily_reich
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    and of course baal is in it
    Ba'al makes everything better!

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    Great Daniel Jack scenes and with a drop of Baal what more can you want??

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    I think jack was really well acted in this episode you could almost feel he was at the limit of what he could take from Ba'al. And his little chat's with daniel were great.
    And even thiough Ba'al was torturing jack he still did it with style you've got to admire him for that.He's got to be my favourite goa'uld. Although his guards looked like the village people on a night out!
    It was a good one for people missing daniel and a great episode for me because I like jack when he's on form with his quotes!

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    Yay the return of Daniel. This episode was one of most awaited as I personally think Daniel is in the core of Stargate and without him it doesnt work as well. Baals spinning prison was great aswell as the cool conversations between Jack and Daniel.
    Oh Yes the Sam is Back and hes more Sci-fied up than ever !!!!!!!!!

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    I don't think Daniel is the core of Stargate. I think each of the four original team members brought their own perspective to the show, and without any of the them it doesn't work as well, whether it was Daniel in season six or Jack now in season nine. That said, it is just a tv show, so I don't think anyone would hold it against them for making the personal decision to leave.

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