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    THIS THREAD IS RIDDLED WITH SPOILERS FOR THIS SEASON AND THE NEXT. PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK.




    Maybe it's just me, but doesn't it seem like each Cylon has a class? Boomer is a pilot, Number 6 is a spy (the USSR were almost exclusively all female for USA work because women can seduce), that dude from the mini is a civilian trader, the guy from Ander's world (Caprica) is a doctor..... what else is there?


    The thing that intrigues me is that the Cylons do everything possible to carry out the ancient prophecies. Does this mean that the priestess lady who died will come back? Or is the chosen one herself (read: Roslin) a Cylon?

    Is there a Cylon diplomat (read: Person who died in Sacrifices)?

    Ponder away, everybody (Cylon classes remind of me of The Village People)
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkface217
    the guy from Ander's world is a doctor.....
    Caprica?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid
    Caprica?
    Thanks; I figured it was Caprica, but since I don't have time to currently proof read...

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    lol there's only been two planets on the show, and one was the namesake of the end of season 1
    "Not every movie is for you. Not every TV show is for you. Not every song is for you. Find the things you like, and like them. Go nuts liking them. A thing ISN’T for you? Cool. Go find something you like. That’s it. That’s as complicated as it should be." -- David Blue

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid
    lol there's only been two planets on the show, and one was the namesake of the end of season 1
    Haha, oops. Forgot my ADD meds today; sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkface217
    Maybe it's just me, but doesn't it seem like each Cylon has a class? Boomer is a pilot, Number 6 is a spy (the USSR were almost exclusively all female for USA work because women can seduce), that dude from the mini is a civilian trader, the guy from Ander's world (Caprica) is a doctor..... what else is there?


    The thing that intrigues me is that the Cylons do everything possible to carry out the ancient prophecies. Does this mean that the priestess lady who died will come back? Or is the chosen one herself (read: Roslin) a Cylon?

    Is there a Cylon diplomat (read: Person who died in Sacrifices)

    Ponder away, everybody (Cylon classes remind of me of The Village People)
    Well, men can seduce, but it has to be more emotional seduction than physical.

    Number Six/Shelly Godfrey/Gina - Corporate Spy/Systems Analyst/SpaceDock Technician.
    Aaron Doral - Public Relations Guy
    Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii - Raptor Pilot
    Leobon Conroy - Arms Dealer
    Simon - Doctor
    D'anna Biers - Journalist

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    cylon speculaton spoilers
    Spoiler:
    Your theory sounds good, at the outset, but it doesn't hold up. D'Anna Biers and Aaron Doral are both in the media. D'Anna is a reporter, Doral is Public Relations (?) Regardless, they're both media people, so if there were classes, you would think that those two wouldn't overlap as much as they do.

    Brother Caval (played by Dean Stockwell), which will be appearing in the final two episodes this season (Lay Down Your Burdens Parts I & II) is a Cylon peace emissary and one of their religious leaders.

    So there have been 7 models identified, if I missed any, please let me know.

    Sharon/Boomer - pilot/assassin
    Gina/Six - terrorist/spy
    Leoben Conoy - posing as a civilian trader/salvage --- sabotage agent
    Simon - the doctor from "The Farm"
    D'Anna Biers - reporter/spy
    Aaron Doral - Public Relations/Media --- suicide bomber
    Brother Caval - peace emmisary/religious leader


    Only 5 more humanoid models to go.
    Spoiler:
    Cally's probably going to turn out to be a Cylon, especially if that's the Chief beating her up in the preview of this week's episode. Just think of it, she kills Sharon who's the "sleeper" agent, who's trying to fight her programming, to get in good with the rest of the fleet.

    Nobody would suspect her, looks innocent, unassuming, nowhere near a threat. She was also the only one on Kobol that wasn't ready, if it came down to it, to attack the Cylons and sowed dissention within the ranks, which led to the killing of Crashdown.

    She's also in a prime position to eventually commit acts of sabotage against the fleet, once her orders are activiated. Why wouldn't the Cylons want somebody on the deck crew?

    Add everything up and it makes perfect sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Section_One
    -information about Cylons and an actor portraying one in the last episode of the season
    Dammit, thank you VERY much for your use of spoiler tags
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    I'm not sure if he's a Cylon or a convert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DigiFluid
    Dammit, thank you VERY much for your use of spoiler tags

    Common knowledge, or are the main stories on the front page now spoilers as well?


    You're VERY welcome for using tags on the things that haven't been fully revealed as of yet. Anytime.

    lol

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    reporter

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    Some more thoughts on the subject.

    A few months ago when I still had DSL, I remember reading or hearing a comment from David Eich (??) that the 12 Cylons models were modeled after each of the twelve basic human personality types. He did not elaborate on what the twelve types might be.

    The most frequently referenced personality typology today was developed by Myers and Briggs who came up with sixteen personality types based upon the selection of one of each of four opposing attributes (introversion/extroversion, sensation/intuition, thinking/feeling, judging/perceiving) Each personality is composed of one of each of these four opposed concepts. For ex. INTJ or ESFP. The sixteen personality types turned out to be: architect, inventor, scientist, fieldmarshall, questor, journalist, author, pedagogue, seller, conservator, entertainer, artist, administrator, trustee, promoter, and artisan. These terms are a little narrow for the concepts. "Architect" for example, means not just a person who designs buildings, but an abstract designer of ideas and includes mathematicians and philosophers. The following is summary from a book by David Keirsey called "Please Understand Me".

    Architect (Abstract designer of ideas)
    Inventor (Wants to replace the existing with something better)
    Scientist (Wishes to control nature)
    Fieldmarshall (Wants to marshall forces and conduct war)
    Questor (A moral crusader)
    Journalist (Bearer of news)
    Author (The Oracle)
    Pedagogue (Teacher/Catalyst for growth in others)
    Seller
    Conservator (One who is morally bound to protect his charges)
    Entertainer
    Artist (Frequently a pacifist or environmentalist)
    Administrator (Preserves the established order)
    Trustee (paragon of preparation, strong desire to be trusted, a rock)
    Promoter (A wheeler-dealer)
    Artisan (An adventurer not a craftsperson)

    I would omit Artist, Artisan, Trustee. Not sure about the fourth.

    For the six Cylons we already know:

    Six/Gina (Fieldmarshall)
    Leoban (Author (oracle))
    Doral (Administrator)
    D'Anna Biers (Journalist, too easy)
    Sharon (Conservator--wants to protect Helo and her child)
    Dr. Simon (Scientist/Inventor--wants to create cylon babies)

    For the Cylon who is coming in the finale...(Questor/Pedagogue?)

    For the Suspected Cylons:

    Dee/Gaeta (Trustee/Administrator--too similar to Doral)
    Baltar (Architect/Inventor/Scientist)
    Roslin (pedagogue)
    Zarek (Promoter)
    Ellen (Entertainer--just a joke!)

    Possible Cylons TBA:

    Someone from the Peace Movement (Artist (pacifist))
    Someone in Politics or the Black Market (Seller/Promoter)
    An Adventurer (Artisan) and an (Entertainer)

    Feel free to comment...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Section_One
    Common knowledge, or are the main stories on the front page now spoilers as well?


    You're VERY welcome for using tags on the things that haven't been fully revealed as of yet. Anytime.

    lol
    Front page? The front page stories on this site are about Stargate. There's nothing in the front page stories on the BSG section about....the aforementioned actor. It most certainly is not common knowledge and I (and many others) would appreciate it if you'd keep all info about upcoming episodes in SPOILER tags at all times. Thank you.
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    SPOILERS BELOW:


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DigiFluid
    Dammit, thank you VERY much for your use of spoiler tags


    Common knowledge, or are the main stories on the front page now spoilers as well?


    You're VERY welcome for using tags on the things that haven't been fully revealed as of yet. Anytime.

    lol
    Seriously dude, use spoiler tags (not this guy, the one who didn't use spoiler tags). You pretty much just ruined the next few episodes for me (I didn't know Dean Stockwell from Quantum Leap would be a Cylon).

    Thanks, man.

    [sarcasm\]


    Quote Originally Posted by Astaire310
    Some more thoughts on the subject.

    A few months ago when I still had DSL, I remember reading or hearing a comment from David Eich (??) that the 12 Cylons models were modeled after each of the twelve basic human personality types. He did not elaborate on what the twelve types might be.

    The most frequently referenced personality typology today was developed by Myers and Briggs who came up with sixteen personality types based upon the selection of one of each of four opposing attributes (introversion/extroversion, sensation/intuition, thinking/feeling, judging/perceiving) Each personality is composed of one of each of these four opposed concepts. For ex. INTJ or ESFP. The sixteen personality types turned out to be: architect, inventor, scientist, fieldmarshall, questor, journalist, author, pedagogue, seller, conservator, entertainer, artist, administrator, trustee, promoter, and artisan. These terms are a little narrow for the concepts. "Architect" for example, means not just a person who designs buildings, but an abstract designer of ideas and includes mathematicians and philosophers. The following is summary from a book by David Keirsey called "Please Understand Me".

    Architect (Abstract designer of ideas)
    Inventor (Wants to replace the existing with something better)
    Scientist (Wishes to control nature)
    Fieldmarshall (Wants to marshall forces and conduct war)
    Questor (A moral crusader)
    Journalist (Bearer of news)
    Author (The Oracle)
    Pedagogue (Teacher/Catalyst for growth in others)
    Seller
    Conservator (One who is morally bound to protect his charges)
    Entertainer
    Artist (Frequently a pacifist or environmentalist)
    Administrator (Preserves the established order)
    Trustee (paragon of preparation, strong desire to be trusted, a rock)
    Promoter (A wheeler-dealer)
    Artisan (An adventurer not a craftsperson)

    I would omit Artist, Artisan, Trustee. Not sure about the fourth.

    For the six Cylons we already know:

    Six/Gina (Fieldmarshall)
    Leoban (Author (oracle))
    Doral (Administrator)
    D'Anna Biers (Journalist, too easy)
    Sharon (Conservator--wants to protect Helo and her child)
    Dr. Simon (Scientist/Inventor--wants to create cylon babies)

    For the Cylon who is coming in the finale...(Questor/Pedagogue?)

    For the Suspected Cylons:

    Dee/Gaeta (Trustee/Administrator--too similar to Doral)
    Baltar (Architect/Inventor/Scientist)
    Roslin (pedagogue)
    Zarek (Promoter)
    Ellen (Entertainer--just a joke!)

    Possible Cylons TBA:

    Someone from the Peace Movement (Artist (pacifist))
    Someone in Politics or the Black Market (Seller/Promoter)
    An Adventurer (Artisan) and an (Entertainer)

    Feel free to comment...

    Roslin being a pedagogue would be one of the most obvious ones. This classification so far holds up very well. Bravo on your long-winded but most helpful post.

    But.... How do we know Leoban was a Cylon? I don't remember them showing proof that she was a toaster.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by sharkface217
    But.... How do we know Leoban was a Cylon? I don't remember them showing proof that she was a toaster.....
    Leoban, a male, was hiding at Ragnar Anchorage during the miniseries. He's the one the now-Admiral killed in the bowels of the station.
    Words to live by: "When in doubt, shoot at the guy yelling 'Kree!'."

    Let's try this again: Spoiler-free 'til Season 4.5.

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    Spoiler:

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    Leoban (Copy 2) was the cylon that Starbuck tortured and Roslin tossed out of the airlock in Season One. He discussed the "Circle of Life" with Starbuck telling her that the last time they had met he had been the inquisitor and she the victim. Starbuck could not be sure how much, if any of what he said was true. He was like an Oracle. He also told Roslin that Adama was a cylon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astaire310
    Leoban (Copy 2) was the cylon that Starbuck tortured and Roslin tossed out of the airlock in Season One. He discussed the "Circle of Life" with Starbuck telling her that the last time they had met he had been the inquisitor and she the victim. Starbuck could not be sure how much, if any of what he said was true. He was like an Oracle. He also told Roslin that Adama was a cylon.

    Regardless of what he did or didn't say, Leoben is a Cylon, we saw the first on Ragnar, another 3 at Ragnar again a few hours later, and the last we saw was the one in the Astral Queen.

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    Here's my write-up:

    1. "Aaron" is derived from "Aries." Aries is associated with the gift of God, which is speech, and Aaron Doral is a PR guy. So, Aaron Doral's model = Aries the Ram = Number One.

    Aries. Symbol: The Ram. Key Phrases: I Am, I Do. Key Word: Activity. Tribe: Gad.
    Disposition: Cardinal (creative). Element: Fire. Planet: Mars. Archangel: Malahidiel.
    Virtue: Courage. Vice: Wrath. Jungian Archetype: The Regular Guy.

    3. "Simon" is derived from the tribe of "Simeon," one of the twelve tribes of Israel. Simeon is associated with Gemini. So, Simon's model = Gemini the Twins = Number Three.

    Gemini. Symbol: The Twins. Key Phrases: I Think, I Communicate. Key Word: Versatility.
    Tribe: Simeon. Disposition: Mutable (changeable). Element: Air.
    Planet: Mercury. Archangel: Ambriel. Virtue: Agility. Vice: Lies. Jungian Archetype: The Caregiver.

    5. "Leobon" is derived from "Leo." "Leobon Conroy" means "Leo the King." One of Leo's key phrases is "I Give" and Leobon had a "gift" for Kara. So, Leobon Conroy's model = Leo the Lion = Number Five.

    Leo. Symbol: The Lion. Key Phrases: I Will, I Give. Key Word: (Personal)Magnetism. Tribe: Judah.
    Disposition: Fixed (determined). Element: Fire. Planet: The Sun. Archangel: Verchiel. Virtue: Vigor.
    Vice: Gluttony. Jungian Archetype: The Sage.

    6. Number Six (Natasi, Shelly Godfrey, and Gina's model) = Virgo the Virgin, of course. "Gina" is short for "Virginia," which means "the maiden." "Godfrey" means "Peace of God," evoking an angel or Madonna. Natasi also claims to be the mother (virginal in a sense) of the hybrid baby. "Natasi" is a bit similar to the tribe of "Naphtali," which is associated with Virgo. One of Virgo's key phrases is "I Help" and Natasi "helps" Baltar frequently, in rather interesting ways.
    Also, "Natasi" backwards makes "I, Satan" and Six, as a contraction of 666, is a number associated with Lucifer. Is Natasi a fallen angel?

    Virgo. Symbol: The Virgin. Key Phrases: I Analyze, I Help. Key Word: Practicality. Tribe: Naphtali. Disposition: Mutable (changeable). Element: Earth Planet: Mercury. Archangel: Hamaliel.
    Virtue: Creation/Destruction. Vice: Power. Jungian Archetype: The Lover.

    8. "D'anna" is derived from the tribe of "Dan," which is associated with Scorpio. “Dan” means “to judge or vindicate.” "Biers" is derived from the archangel "Barchiel," also associated with Scorpio. According to Lucy Lawless, under her veneer of sophistication D'anna is a vicious (stinging?) animal. So, D'anna Biers' model = Scorpio the Scorpion = Number Eight.

    Scorpio. Symbol: The Scorpion. Key Phrases: I Desire, I Eliminate. Key Word: Intensity. Tribe: Dan. Disposition: Fixed (determined). Element: Water. Planet: Pluto. Archangel: Barchiel.
    Virtue: Versatility. Vice: Paranoia. Jungian Archetype: The Jester.

    10. "Sharon" means "fertile field" or "princess." “Fertile field” refers to Caprica Sharon’s pregnancy, and in Hebrew Capricorn is symbolized by the Kid (the baby goat.) “Princess” fits Caprica, the most prominent Colony. Caprica was also the home of Gaius Baltar, whom Caprica Sharon is the opposite of (the human gone over to the Cylon side, the Cylon gone over to the human side, and both have a connection to the hybrid baby). "Valerii" means "a warrior or rebel, valiant." Capricorn is associated with the tribe of Zebulun, which is connected with marriage. So, Sharon Valerii/Boomer’s model = Capricorn the Goat = Number Ten. Capricorn is also associated with the archangel Hanael, one of the rulers of the seven heavens and an angel connected with sexuality. Capricorn = goats = satyrs = Saturn, all of which are related to sexuality and procreation.
    In relation to Galactica Sharon, “Sharon” is similar to “sharain”: in Arabic myth, a voice that tells one to do bad things (the devil on one’s shoulder often seen on TV) and “Valerii” is similar to “Valium” and "Valerian" sleeping aides. “Boomer” is a slang term for synthetic lifeforms in the anime series “Bubblegum Crisis.”

    Capricorn. Symbol: The Goat. Key Phrases: I Use, I Organize. Key Word: Ambition. Tribe: Zebulun. Disposition: Cardinal (creative). Element: Earth. Planet: Saturn. Archangel: Hanael. Virtue: Wisdom. Vice: Fear. Jungian Archetype: The Innocent.

    9??? The Arrow of Apollo fits the statue of Sagittarius. Sagittarians are supposed to be idealistic and have a passion for justice, as is the associated archangel Advachiel. The Lagoon Nebula, which Lee Adama pointed out on the Star Map in the Tomb of Athena, is “in” Sagittarius in the modern era although at that time it was “in” Scorpio. Sagittarius is associated with the tribe of Benjamin. “Benjamin” means “son of my right hand.” Apollo is the son of Zeus/Jupiter. So, Lee Adama/Apollo may = Sagittarius the Archer = Number Nine.

    Sagittarius. Symbol: The Archer. Key Phrases: I Understand, I Sacrifice. Key Word: Visualization. Tribe: Benjamin. Disposition: Mutable. Element: Fire. Planet: Jupiter. Archangel: Advachiel.
    Virtue: Leadership. Vice: Lust. Jungian Archetype: The Hero.

    Numbers Two, Four, and Twelve (women) and Seven, Nine, and Eleven (men) remain unrevealed.

    For the Jungian Archetypes, my list presumes that none of the Cylons we have seen so far is The Ruler. If I had to guess, my gut instict would be Sharon. D'anna is a maybe.

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    except that i don't think any adama is a cylon, very nice post

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    BubblingOverWithIdeas, nice post. I really like the idea that the 12 cylon models are related to the 12 colonies, and want to thump myself for not thinking of it.

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