Wow Im surprised no one has posted anything in here. Well I just wanted to say that this his one of my favorite eps. I leads us to know that Kara has some things that hides and more of her personal strugle she may have had with her parants. Even into season 2 they realy haven't touched up on past exceped for some early eps. but they need to come back to it and I think they will in "Scar".
Same here, I love Leoben and Starbuck's interaction with each other. When he said that the last time this all happened he might have been the interrogator and she could have been the prisoner, for some reason I believed him. I also like how she kind of grew attached to him.
Leoben can get in your head faster than anyone. I think he's by far the most dangerous Cylon model.
I dunno look what Caprica sharon did to helo. Even though she fell in love with him, she still got into his head really fast.Originally Posted by Mr. Seven
I'm interested to see this ep turn up for discussion here. Of all the season one episodes, I found it the most powerful and disturbing -- so disturbing in fact that I skipped over it when I first went through my DVD. There were so many dark character revelations, so much resonance with current situations, so many moral issues, that I found myself deeply uncomfortable through the whole thing. I really have to applaud the Leoben performance. I think it's award-worthy in its complexity. The producers were fortunate to get Callum Keith Rennie to play this difficilt part. I was disappointed that RDM gave no commentary to this ep on the DVD, and I'm wondering why that was.
I agree...i like this ep...the whole thing with Starbuck and Leoben was very interesting...and how he arouses between them suspiciousness...Originally Posted by Mr. Seven
Hmmm, I think Roslin's actions at the end of this episode are quite disturbing. Apart from that, well, I find it a bit hard to believe that Starbuck is really the best person for the interrogation job, and that Adama doesn't even think of sending somebody to take over from her after she has been there for hours with no result. She seems to have done a lot in her career so far for somebody of her age, doesn't she? Top pilot, flight instructor, ace sniper and expert at interrogation too?
Please... leave the touching to the experts.
I didn't understand why Kara was so passionate to the cylon in the ending before he got sucked out of the airock.
She was drowning him most of the way through the episode!!!!
'Adama's a cylon' my ass, that was just silly.
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The surprising thing in this episode imo was that Baltar didnt report Boomer as a Cylon. It seems to me that he is just digging a deeper hole for himself. Wasnt too impressed with Roslin this ep either, as she allowed Leoben to influence her to easily, and didnt treat him as a cylon. Also i have no idea why she believed what he said about Adama...
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I too could not accept that Kara would be an interrogator. She's a pilot for frack's sake! Her natural skills, training and experience would not qualify her for that role in any military organization. Even if she had received the required training, it is clear that her disposition is much too emotional for such a task. An interrogator needs to remain detached at all times. She was far too easy to manipulate.
The second unbelievable facet of this ep was that she was left alone to question an undeniably stronger opponent who could have killed her at any moment. In any real scenario, there would have been armed guards in the room ready to take down the subject at the first sign of trouble.
I too could not accept Kara as an interrogator. Her training, natural skills and emotional disposition do not in any way qualify her for that role.
Also, it was simply unbelievable that there she was left alone with the Cylon -- a robot with known superior physical attributes. Even if it had just been a man, the chances are good that he could have overpowered Kara. There should have been armed guards in there at all times.
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This is actually an episode that has gone down in my estimation but I still enjoy it.
Leoben is one of my favorite BSG characters, and he is reasonably highlighted here; his past life and Starbuck's mother monologues were particular high-points. However, the episode I think falters a bit at times, as with some unengaging discourse about purely theoretical Cylon emotional off-switches and a strange out of the blue compassion from Starbuck for Leoben.
Also, Sharon's () little sappy montage that tries to illustrate her emotional development wasn't very effective for me, and the overall stylistic bookending of this episode with Roslin's kamala hallucinations didn't make much sense; in the end the episode was in two words, above average.Spoiler:
P.S. Was I hallucinating, or did this episode only consist of 3 acts? If so, that's... bizarre.
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This ep was eerie and disturbing, and I loved it for that. It challenged the boundaries of what we deem acceptable from our protagonists (something that I've always enjoyed from BSG). Callum. Keith. Rennie. What a terrific performance! Leoben is a such a complex character and Rennie captured every nuance.
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Roslin. MM did such a good job of portraying a very frayed Roslin, a very dark Roslin. She was cold and manipulative and it was a fascinating study in dark side that resides in good people. Did you notice, though, the look on Roslin's face after she airlocked Leoben? Regret? Terror? Something. Well played by MM. Great final scene with Adama too. Subtle, but loaded; the moral burden on Roslin was very apparent.
I always enjoy episodes like this that delve into moral conflict/gray-area. There was nothing cut and dried about it, and that's what made it great.
EDIT: oh yeah. I forgot to mention Boomer. Nothing about that B-plot captured me... could've done without it.
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In some ways i do too. But i also like heroes to act like heroes.