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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    or, maybe because it is a tv xhow they do not need to worry about the kawoosh hitting the iris.

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    I thought that the 'Kawoosh' formation is after the event horizon has formed. Since the 'event'' has not formed, then it would not impact the iris.

    Sort of a chemical reaction. too much of product 'B' and it expodes .. otherwise inert.
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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    This is, perhaps, the most answered question on these forums.

    The vortex can not form because it is made up of particles. These particles can't form because the iris is too close:

    Here's the transcript that proves it, its from A Hundred Days



    The open the gate to Edora, and the malp doesn't reform.

    TEAL’C: If the Edoran STARGATE were truly buried, how then was the wormhole established.

    CARTER: The meteor hit while the wormhole was active.

    DANIEL: So, so?

    CARTER: So it’s possible that the molten naquada hardened just above the event horizon.

    DANIEL: Like an iris.
    But the vortex didn't occur, so a cavern wasn't created.

    HAMMOND: Wormhole physics, a field, Major, that you pioneered, states that under these conditions, ordinary matter won’t even reintegrate on the other side. There’s no way to overcome that.

    CARTER: I think there is, Sir. And I’m not the one who thought of it. SOKAR did.

    HAMMOND: SOKAR?

    CARTER: Yes, Sir. When he tried to breach the iris by bombarding it with a particle beam. Sub-atomic particles barely small enough to reintegrate produced energy as they decayed.

    HAMMOND: Which caused the iris to heat up.

    CARTER: Exactly. Now, if we could do the same thing we could melt the hardened naquada barrier just above the event horizon and create a pocket of superheated gas.

    HAMMOND: And then what?

    CARTER: Well, then all we have to do is open the Gate again, Sir. The unstable vortex it normally generates would then be allowed to expand into that pocket and create an even larger cavern. One person might be able to go through, Sir, and dig it out.
    They basically fire particles at the barrier until it pushes it back far enough to allow the kawoosh to form.

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    Quote Originally Posted by Star_Lord
    Energy is not always matter. the kawoosh is pure energy just like light or a magnetic field are all types of energy. Light is not considered matter.
    DANIEL
    Well you're right in that it is an illusion. It's not actually water.

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    Then what is it?

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    Magic.

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    It's an event horizon made up of quantum particles that form a wormhole.
    We know that the event horizon is made up of particles, Therefore, its reasonable to assume that the kawoosh, since it is basically a forming event horizon, is also made up of particles.

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    Mio just gave you the best explanation!

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    Quote Originally Posted by Elite Anubis Guard
    Mio just gave you the best explanation!
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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    Ah....asked and answered....again.

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    While this thread is still running, I just wanted to point out one other thing to do with the kawoosh. On Earth when a wormhole is established the stargate still makes the sound of the "kawoosh" forming and then receding back into the event horizon even when the Iris is closed. Obviously a mistake but i just thought it was funny. BTW Thank you all for your answers even though this has been asked a million times.

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    Perhaps a more appropriate question would be how did they install the iris anyways? Wouldn't they have a disassemble the gate or something? Just something I've noticed ever since "Children of the Gods".

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    in the origional movie the kawoosh was explained as a pressure equalizing effect, ofcourse since watergate would have pushed huge quantities of water trough the gate that isn't entirely true
    but with a 3 micron clearing you could argue thath it would create a vacuem so there is no need for the kawoosh
    ok thath's far fetched so it's the script why do you care anyway ?

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    Default Re: Why doesn't the "Kawoosh" destroy the Iris

    This belongs in Science and Tech

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    Earth Symbol The Iris and the Wormhole

    I just read the transcript of Children of the Gods, and I wondered how it is possible that the energy vortex of the incoming wormhole does not destroy the iris.
    The first iris was made of titanium, and the second one of a trinium-titanium alloy, but for what I know, the vortex destroys everything in his path.
    I have seen in some episodes that the iris is closed before the vortex appears, so....
    Could someone bring some light to this question?

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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    i wonderd the same thing and i just give it to a plot hole
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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    i think because the iris is 3 or 0.3 microns away from the event horizon it stops the vortex from forming, erm... im sure someone else could explain it better
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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    This question comes up all the time:

    Why is the iris not disintegrated by the wormhole?
    There is a microscopic gap between the iris and the wormhole event horizon -- less than a few microns ("Serpent's Song"). Just as the iris does not allow matter to reintegrate, so also does it not allow whatever it is that makes up the "whoosh" to burst forth. Though the Stargate is occasionally activated with the iris already closed, the "whoosh" does not reintegrate and affect the iris. It is apparently not necessary in order for a wormhole to be established.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eoin
    i think because the iris is 3 or 0.3 microns away from the event horizon it stops the vortex from forming, erm... im sure someone else could explain it better
    That is part of it yes. In addition to the previous post, let me add that the Event Horizon of the wormhole is itself not dangerous. Unless you try to enter the horizon from an incoming wormhole... that would be suicide because you'd have nowhere to reintegrate to. The danger comes from the inherent unstable nature of the vortex. The wormhole cannot transmit matter until the Event Horizon is firmly established, thus anything that is caught in it is immediately de-molecularized. Since there is no way for the object to reintergrate (just as the example above of an incoming wormhole), it is simply destroyed.

    The Event Horizon is not that different from the soapy flat-bubble on a bubble blowing stick. The Event Horizon forms along the inner edge of the stargate as an 'anchor' of sorts. Normally, when it forms the gate is free and clear which allows the vortex to form (though the vortex isn't absolutely necessary). However, whenever the gate is completely blocked (as in buried) the wormhole will not connect. On the other hand, If the gate is covered close enough to where the Event Horizon forms, the vortex doesn't have a chance to form, so instead the Event Horizon simply 'washes' up over the covering to the inner rim of the gate.

    As an example... imagine if I took a bubble blowing stick and held it facing downward to the ground and poured a soapy solution over it. The solution would partially drip through (like the vortex) the ring part of the bubble stick, but some of it would catch to form a soapy flat-bubble within the ring (like the Event Horizon) of the stick. On the other hand, if I took something flat, and covered the opening of the ring, none of the solution would drip through, but instead would immediately spread across the flat surface of the covering until it reached the inner rim of the bubble stick. I admit, this is a rather crude example, but it fits well enough.
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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    That is part of it yes. In addition to the previous post, let me add that the Event Horizon of the wormhole is itself not dangerous. Unless you try to enter the horizon from an incoming wormhole... that would be suicide because you'd have nowhere to reintegrate to. The danger comes from the inherent unstable nature of the vortex. The wormhole cannot transmit matter until the Event Horizon is firmly established, thus anything that is caught in it is immediately de-molecularized. Since there is no way for the object to reintergrate (just as the example above of an incoming wormhole), it is simply destroyed.

    The Event Horizon is not that different from the soapy flat-bubble on a bubble blowing stick. The Event Horizon forms along the inner edge of the stargate as an 'anchor' of sorts. Normally, when it forms the gate is free and clear which allows the vortex to form (though the vortex isn't absolutely necessary). However, whenever the gate is completely blocked (as in buried) the wormhole will not connect. On the other hand, If the gate is covered close enough to where the Event Horizon forms, the vortex doesn't have a chance to form, so instead the Event Horizon simply 'washes' up over the covering to the inner rim of the gate.

    As an example... imagine if I took a bubble blowing stick and held it facing downward to the ground and poured a soapy solution over it. The solution would partially drip through (like the vortex) the ring part of the bubble stick, but some of it would catch to form a soapy flat-bubble within the ring (like the Event Horizon) of the stick. On the other hand, if I took something flat, and covered the opening of the ring, none of the solution would drip through, but instead would immediately spread across the flat surface of the covering until it reached the inner rim of the bubble stick. I admit, this is a rather crude example, but it fits well enough.
    woo! you go Seastallion, i used to think that the iris is too strong to be 'eaten' from te Kawoosh, so wood and people (softer things) can get vapourised, but not the iris
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    Thanks qasimjavid and Seastallion for your answers!

    Did you just think of it, or took it from any explanation that TPTB may have given?
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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seastallion
    That is part of it yes. In addition to the previous post, let me add that the Event Horizon of the wormhole is itself not dangerous. Unless you try to enter the horizon from an incoming wormhole... that would be suicide because you'd have nowhere to reintegrate to. The danger comes from the inherent unstable nature of the vortex. The wormhole cannot transmit matter until the Event Horizon is firmly established, thus anything that is caught in it is immediately de-molecularized. Since there is no way for the object to reintergrate (just as the example above of an incoming wormhole), it is simply destroyed.

    The Event Horizon is not that different from the soapy flat-bubble on a bubble blowing stick. The Event Horizon forms along the inner edge of the stargate as an 'anchor' of sorts. Normally, when it forms the gate is free and clear which allows the vortex to form (though the vortex isn't absolutely necessary). However, whenever the gate is completely blocked (as in buried) the wormhole will not connect. On the other hand, If the gate is covered close enough to where the Event Horizon forms, the vortex doesn't have a chance to form, so instead the Event Horizon simply 'washes' up over the covering to the inner rim of the gate.

    As an example... imagine if I took a bubble blowing stick and held it facing downward to the ground and poured a soapy solution over it. The solution would partially drip through (like the vortex) the ring part of the bubble stick, but some of it would catch to form a soapy flat-bubble within the ring (like the Event Horizon) of the stick. On the other hand, if I took something flat, and covered the opening of the ring, none of the solution would drip through, but instead would immediately spread across the flat surface of the covering until it reached the inner rim of the bubble stick. I admit, this is a rather crude example, but it fits well enough.
    just read your explanation and i have to say, Well done. I dont know anyone who could have thought of explaining it in such a simple manner, excellent post
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    Default Re: Why isn't the iris destroyed by the energy vortex?

    Ignore all that. It's because of...the Furlings. Yes. The Furlings

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