Page 1 of 6 1234 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 119
  1. #1
    Site Admin GateWorld's Avatar
    Member Since
    Apr 2004
    Posts
    4,121

    GateWorld Epiphanies (213)

    Visit the Episode GuideGALACTICA SEASON TWO
    EPIPHANIES
    EPISODE NUMBER - 213

    President Roslin lies on her deathbed, recalling her life on Caprica in the final hours before the attack. A terrorist group surfaces in the fleet demanding peace with the Cylons, and Baltar makes a discovery about the Cylon Sharon's unborn child.

    VISIT THE EPISODE GUIDE >>
    Last edited by Darren; April 25th, 2011 at 05:11 PM.

  2. #2
    Colonel NowIWillDestroyAbydos's Avatar
    Member Since
    May 2004
    Location
    In your head, making you crazy
    Posts
    5,113

    Sci-Fi Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Roslin Lives!!! It was a good episode, I give it a ***.

  3. #3
    Captain kharn the betrayer's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2005
    Location
    At my house,infront of the my computer.
    Posts
    1,250

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    this is all I have to say..

    Meh for the fact Rosalin was cured so damn easily ;_; ...I like her character but I want he rto Die just like the profercy said she would


    I liked every thing else though expecially the flash backs and the Baltar/6 convo at the end when 6 was reading the letter

  4. #4
    Captain walterIsTheMan's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Location
    helping Walter run a gate diagnostic
    Posts
    1,266

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Another quality episode. And no cheesy music this one either! WooHoo!

  5. #5
    Staff Sergeant Speakfire's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    77

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Actually, the prophecy says that a dying leader (which she was dying) would lead the way to earth (which she has), but would never live to step foot on it. Thus, as long as she dies of any cause before they get to Earth, the prophecy is fulfilled.

    Prophecies never go the way people expect ,there's always twists and half truths about them. Thats why they're so difficult.

    I give it a b+ though. I can't fully explain why, but I guess I just didn't find it as satisfying as I have other episodes (resurrection ship pt 2, for example).
    ...but now I know
    That twenty centuries of stony sleep
    Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
    And what rough beast, its hour come 'round at last,
    Slouches toward Bethlehem to be born?

  6. #6
    Captain kharn the betrayer's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2005
    Location
    At my house,infront of the my computer.
    Posts
    1,250

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    I give it a b+ though. I can't fully explain why, but I guess I just didn't find it as satisfying as I have other episodes (resurrection ship pt 2, for example).
    I got that feeling to

    I enjoyed it but I didnt get the same feeling I got while watching the last 3 episodes

  7. #7

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Did anyone else think this episode marked the beginning of Gaius' character? Up to this point he has been manuevered by Six or his superiors...

    *SPOILERS*----holy crap I'm gonna talk about the episode now, if you haven't seen it...don't read any further----



    I think that's an appropriate distance to prevent accidental viewing.
    So, back to the discussion. With Gaius finding the truth of the cylon blood, ignoring Six's questioning about her "corporeal" counterpart and the shocker at the end, it would seem Gaius is siezing his own destiny. This is honestly the first time I've felt that Gaius wasn't a worm. Another thing... Did Laura actually recall seeing him with Six on caprica? Placing the warhead in the hands of the peace movement would give them the power to decapitate the government and the military, why? aghh....great writing

  8. #8
    Airman
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    30

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    after the past 3 episodes they had to slow down, which is what i expected in tonight's episode. i knew roslin's recovery would be quick and based from last week's preview, it became clear how roslin would get passed her 6 month expiration date.

    pros
    - flashback scenes were great, roslin liked to get it on with men of power, judging by her encounter with the president
    - so she was going get ousted as Sec of Education, only to become president just hours later
    -baltar giving the nuke, talk about whoa.

    cons
    - who in their right mind would ever joint a group that would declare peace with the cylons?! hello your homeworlds have been nuked, those who survived and are child bearing are hooked up to machines
    - don't they know president aidar (sp) offered complete surrender
    - adama and roslin should just give those people their own ship and say go ahead declare peace, we're out ! looks like these civilians are so ungrateful, with out galactica they would all be dead

    i expect the next few episodes to not be on the slower paced before things gets speed up. this episode really put the mystery surrounding on baltar and what his whole plan in this, is he crazy? is he not? that nuke was all the way from season 1, nice to know they don't forget details like that

  9. #9
    Airman
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    30

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    i also forgot to mention... yes gina with her hair pulled back and actually wearing clothes does look different from #6 but hello one could still recognize her.

    i mean, after 6 months give or take out in space this BLOND women comes in out of nowhere and is now some sort of leader of a movement that now wants peace with the cylons? that aspect felt like hole in the plot

  10. #10
    Second Lieutenant
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    269

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Just a question, but is this the episode that the previews showed Caprica Boomer assaulting her Marine guards with a chair?

  11. #11
    Captain kharn the betrayer's Avatar
    Member Since
    Mar 2005
    Location
    At my house,infront of the my computer.
    Posts
    1,250

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Quote Originally Posted by somedude
    Just a question, but is this the episode that the previews showed Caprica Boomer assaulting her Marine guards with a chair?
    yes it is

    Spoiler:
    the Marines were getting boomer so they could abort the baby and boomer didnt exactly like the idea

  12. #12
    Airman
    Member Since
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    36

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    I agree with most of what you said.
    The cyclons were enslaved but eventually freed.
    The cyclons did try to obliterate humanity and they are CHASING the fleet.
    I can't remember the "peace" leaders name but (we want peace and we will kill to get it) he said the fleet is attacking and retreating.
    Anyone with half a brain can see that the Galactica is RUNNING and only fighting when they have to.
    Despite what Cain wanted. There was simply no way to take back the 12 colonies.
    The Colonials don't have the manpower or the hardware.
    Nor any way to build either in a short timeframe without advanced technological planetary infrastructure

    And Whatever happened to non violent/peaceful demonstrations? I might disagree with the viewpoint that making peace with the Cylons is the correct course of action, but I feel you have a right to express it peacefully.
    It's kinda like people blowing up abortion clinics cause they are against murder.
    But I digress

    It's doubtful that the military has released that the cylons are trying to impregnate surviving women on Caprica and the other colonies. This might cause people to call for the rescue of the resistance.
    While admirable, an attack on the planet to save 50+ people (and the resistance has probably been infiltrated by a cyclon humanoid model) is not worth the Galactica and/or Pegasus. They could be going up against a planetary defense system + basestars. To stack the lives of the last 48K+ humans against 50 humans is insanity.

    It was the same thing when Starbuck got shot down and flew the Cyclon Raider back to Galactica. Roslyn had to tell Adama and Apollo to pull their heads out of their asses and to stop risking the fleet for 1 pilot.

    Thats my 2 cents. Time for bed.


    Quote Originally Posted by cyke
    after the past 3 episodes they had to slow down, which is what i expected in tonight's episode. i knew roslin's recovery would be quick and based from last week's preview, it became clear how roslin would get passed her 6 month expiration date.

    pros
    - flashback scenes were great, roslin liked to get it on with men of power, judging by her encounter with the president
    - so she was going get ousted as Sec of Education, only to become president just hours later
    -baltar giving the nuke, talk about whoa.

    cons
    - who in their right mind would ever joint a group that would declare peace with the cylons?! hello your homeworlds have been nuked, those who survived and are child bearing are hooked up to machines
    - don't they know president aidar (sp) offered complete surrender
    - adama and roslin should just give those people their own ship and say go ahead declare peace, we're out ! looks like these civilians are so ungrateful, with out galactica they would all be dead

    i expect the next few episodes to not be on the slower paced before things gets speed up. this episode really put the mystery surrounding on baltar and what his whole plan in this, is he crazy? is he not? that nuke was all the way from season 1, nice to know they don't forget details like that

  13. #13
    Airman
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    30

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    I basically don't understand the need for a group of people wanting peace with the cylons. granted not everyone may know the whole facts but really now, didn't the events in "33" tell these people anything. do you think the next time a cylon ship arrives, they will respond with hails of peace ?

  14. #14

    Default Tell me how they snuck that nuke off

    Can someone seriously explain within the already set confines of Battlestar Gallactica how FRAK they were able to sneak a nuclear warhead off the ship without the radiation sensors picking it up.

    It has already been set that Gallactica is capable of picking up radiation signatures onboard it's ships, and constantly tracks for them.

    Anyone?

  15. #15

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Maybe I'm a little confused, but didn't Lucy Lawless's character witness Sharon giving birth to her child in The Final Cut episode? I mean Sharon was all screaming and thrashing on a bed... which to me seemed like giving birth.

    Also, in this episode you find that Six (the one Baltar saved from the Pegasus) has joined a "peace" group in order to pursuade the humans to surrender to the Cyclons so that the Cyclons could "save" them. If I recall in the previous episode didn't she basically allow the death of hundreds of cyclons by telling Baltar what the Ressurection ship was? She also seemed pretty darned satisfied when the Ressurection ship was destroyed. Now she's crawling back to the Cylons!?

  16. #16
    First Lieutenant Sci-Fi's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2005
    Location
    Lost in the Neutral Zone
    Posts
    938

    Cool Re: Tell me how they snuck that nuke off

    Believe the Galactica only detects a nuclear device when it is armed. In viewing previous episodes, it's the only times you see the alarms going off. Remember "33"? Nothing was detected until later when the ship headed straight for the RTF and the nuclear proximity alarms went off in both the raptor and on the Galactica.

    That being said, I find it odd that high military assets like a nuke wouldn't be constantly and heavily guarded. Add in a mandatory search of all arriving and departing personnel and seizure of contraband. It isn't like the Colonials had a thousand nukes on-board (think they only have 4 left..used the 5th one in the baseship over Kobol). Baltar would be hard pressed to explain how it was stolen out of his lab. But this is a fictional universe and the Colonials may have more relaxed protocols and/or lack of Marines to properly secure all the arms lockers and munitions magazines. So it was a bit odd to see the Peace guy just wheel it off in a suitcase that he may or may not have had when he first boarded the Galactica.

    The question becomes...why did Baltar decide to give a nuke to the "peace movement"?...and why isn't #6 picture plastered all over the fleet as a known Cylon model? RDM said the "glasses" was #6's "Clark Kent" disguise, but come on...that's going a bit too far past the believable scale.

    Also, shouldn't a few trusted individuals be in charge of quality control of the ammo they are making? Or maybe a visual inspection before or during arming a Viper. At least we got to see that the Colonials have facilities to rearm themselves.


  17. #17

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    So much ground to cover: (don't read if you don't like spoiler stuff or long posts)
    First, I agree with Kharn and speakfire, this Ep was a little bit flat, but we need filler episodes every now and then so that BSG spiral into a cycle of constantly trying to top itself.

    I did enjoy the fact that for once Adama and Roslin were not quite as righteous as they have been in past eps without coming off as being obviously evil. Adama nearly chokes someone (more like the miniseries Adama) and Roslin demands the abortion of something that no one in the colonial fleet understands (cylons included probably). Not the careful metered approach she had before she became a religious icon.

    Baltar: I've had fun watching him reel constantly from the manipulations of Six and the parallels of his situation with that of the entire fleet. The cylons have been chasing Galactica in the direction they wanted them to go forcing the fleet to do what they want as the human models work within the fleet to guide the political situation. I feel like Baltar may finally be realizing what Six has done/is doing to him and may begin to wonder if the same thing isn't occurring on a much larger scale.

    Gina: I think that a few of the cylon sympathizers realize who and what she is and are hiding her from the rest of the movement. Also, never count on a cylon to be honest. All of the cylons both within the colonial fleet and within the cylon fleet destroyed in Resurrection Ship pt 2 may have allowed themselves to be blown up. There may have been another Resurrection Ship hanging back within range to capture all the downloaded minds of the cylons within that fleet. Assume that the cylons have all of this planed.

    Cylon Sympathizers: The scene where Adama calls pregy Sharon in to his quarters and asks her why the cylons hate humanity so much is part of the reason for a group that is sympathetic toward the cylons. She reminds him of his speech when the Galactica was being decommissioned (miniseries) where he says that we never asked why we deserve to be alive. Sharon then looks at him and says “Maybe you don't”. We enslaved the cylons then went to war with them. The cylons left and humanity assumed that that would be the end of the war. That some how fighting to restrain slaves and then not chasing them all down would make up for all that they had done. What they did may not seem like it is equivalent but revenge usually doesn't when you're on the recieveing end.

    Nukes: Eh, I'm willing to run with them.. I'm not that picky. I think this was done for dramatic effect and Baltar is the VP. It's not like he doesn't hold any power over what happens aboard Galactica.

  18. #18

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    I heard somewhere that the person that Number 6 said "I've been wondering when you'd show up." to in the Miniseries would be revealed in this episode.

    The episode certainly seemed to be building up to it, but I didn't see that person. Did I miss something?

  19. #19
    Herbology Teacher GateTrek2004's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Williamsburg, VA
    Posts
    847

    Default Re: Tell me how they snuck that nuke off

    Quote Originally Posted by Darschu
    Can someone seriously explain within the already set confines of Battlestar Gallactica how FRAK they were able to sneak a nuclear warhead off the ship without the radiation sensors picking it up.

    It has already been set that Gallactica is capable of picking up radiation signatures onboard it's ships, and constantly tracks for them.

    Anyone?
    This is only a guess, maybe that suitcase it was in was able to confine the radiation inside it so sensors could not pick it up. i have no evidence to support this but hey thats one thing i would think of.

  20. #20
    Herbology Teacher GateTrek2004's Avatar
    Member Since
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Williamsburg, VA
    Posts
    847

    Default Re: Epiphanies (213)

    Just loved Epiphanies! i was so glad to see that roslin survived! i just love her character, but a have to agree with what Speakfire said. everything towards the prophecy has come true. now i wonder if she'll say that she remembered seeing six/baltar on caprica during her flashback kissing! just that may get the good old doc kicked out of the vp seat.

Page 1 of 6 1234 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •