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[macktheknife]

Singlehandedly saved Season 2.

And now to discuss what was wrong (is it any different ever?)
I think on 1) above, maybe after a while they "trusted" them and needed the PC's networked, or it used it's U8eR [email protected]+H c0mpu+0r VIru$ 1337ness sK1llZ to haxor a PDA or something (with wireless), and invade the other systems.

2) I would have had them being hard copied, screenshots and printed, or pictures or anything.

3) Yeh, but I suppose the choice between "Help this wraith" or "50 hive ships a few weeks" I'd probably choose "Help this wraith". Well, if it was reality, I'd just leave and nuke atlantis, but then we'd have no show.

4) Yep, but I guess thats where explanations of 1) come into it.

And honestly, teyla needs to go. Ronon has shown up and become a better character in a third of a season than she has in 2 full ones. Especially that she won't be the "love interest". Sora, Cadman, Super Ford, off the top of my head, could probably be better.

Good Moments (among others)
Asgard. He is cool.
Beckett and Zelenka with the Wraith.

[Agent_Dark]

Wait, you're telling me that after all that, McKay somehow failed to make a backup copy?

Wow.

It's amazing how often the writers have to make McKay a complete dumbass for the sake of moving the plot forward (cough, cough, Trinity).

The backup copy would have contained the Wraith virus as well. Wouldn't have made any difference.

[macktheknife]

Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

As for the networking thing, rodney said they were "completely firewalled" firewalled suggest they are connected to the network, so they have connected to their network, and then the virus (which they did'nt detect) broke though it.

[Agent_Dark]

A few things:
*The very start of the episode, they have the cloak on to hide themselves from the hive ship. So why are they broadcasting radio transmissions to the Deadalus and the Orion? It's no use being invisible if the Wraith can hear you. Obviously the radio transmissions would have encrypted so the Wraith can't hear what they're saying, but they would have still been able to detect the actual radio transmission itself.

*Atlantis really had no choice but to go along with Micheal and his gang. They were basically blackmailed after all. I don't have a problem with that part of the story. However they probably could have shown the Atlantis personal being a little more distrusting of the Wraith than they were. Ronan, Teyla and Caldwell were the only ones that really showed any distrust. As it was, it came across that Atlantis was too easily duped - again.

*Weren't the computers that received the Hiveship manuals not hooked up to the rest of the Atlantis network? So how did the trojan upload the info about the Aurora mission and the planets?

*Is McKay being kept alive so they can force him to work on the modified hyperdrive engines? Obviously Shep will come rescue McKay and Ronan in the Season 3 opener

[syyid]

Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

Nopes why would they want to do that? Reduce their food supply? What for? Perhaps if they were actually losing but still very risky and doubtful. Unless they got the Team Atlantis syndrome (we're gonna be as stupid as stupid can be )

About the fact that they virus owned a PDA they already saw what their stuff can do in the deddy. It needed to be completely self contained with no external means of accessing anything, a knoppix bootable cd with a second dvd drive containing the data perhaps :-P, nothing is writable beyond the system memory there is no networking or external connectivity, pda anything . Also the hard copies/printouts idea should have been thought of not to mention anything they gave us should've been considered bogus data

[macktheknife]

*Weren't the computers that received the Hiveship manuals not hooked up to the rest of the Atlantis network? So how did the trojan upload the info about the Aurora mission and the planets?

*Is McKay being kept alive so they can force him to work on the modified hyperdrive engines? Obviously Shep will come rescue McKay and Ronan in the Season 3 opener

Or
Or both. I would think Wraith coming to earth would be ripe crossover potential.

IF they actually make it out of the galaxy.

1st one, I think I explain that in the last post.

Nopes why would they want to do that? Reduce their food supply? What for? Perhaps if they were actually losing but still very risky and doubtful. Unless they got the Team Atlantis syndrome (we're gonna be as stupid as stupid can be )

Well, 2 hive ships vs the entire Milky Way Galaxy? Especially if they did'nt tell their other wraith mates about the Aurora modifications. Jaffa\Goauld\Wraith combines.

[syyid]

As for the networking thing, rodney said they were "completely firewalled" firewalled suggest they are connected to the network, so they have connected to their network, and then the virus (which they did'nt detect) broke though it.

Weir on the first databurst and I quote 'download it to a non networked firewalled computer'

[macktheknife]

Weir on the first databurst and I quote 'download it to a non networked firewalled computer'

That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.

[Agent_Dark]

That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.

Still, you'd think they'd play it safe...

[syyid]

That was the 1st one, the Rodney one was (I belive) the 2nd one.

Correct but if they actually changed protocol for the second time around - we trust our buddies the wraith um yeah they deserve to be screwed. Most software can be overcome one way or the other, hardware links not existing at all is the only truly secure method. Again they already experienced this with the deddy

[macktheknife]

Still, you'd think they'd play it safe...

Yeah.

I suppose they could probably have done a better solution to it, but then I'm not a writer.

I thought of another moment, "Captain Shepard" just sitting in the chai whilst McKay does all the work.

[Agent_Dark]

Or
Or both. I would think Wraith coming to earth would be ripe crossover potential.

IF they actually make it out of the galaxy.

Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

[macktheknife]

Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

Yep, shepard will have been sucked into their hyperspace window (or he's landed already).

I wonder if super will turn up. That would be crazy.

[syyid]

Yeah, I thought about the crossover to SG1, but I'm not too sure on it. I'm pretty sure the Hive ships haven't had their hyperdrives modified yet, so I think part 2 of this will play out with Shep racing against time to rescue McKay and Ronan before the Wraith finish modifying their engines.

Yeah i'd bet that thats exactly how they'd play it out. They still have the problem of all the data that they have accumulated. (Location of Earth / other related milky way planets / hyperdrive schematics from the aurora). Maybe the Orion will come in and blow the two hives to smithereens and since they were being greedy and hadnt shared their intel with the rest of the wraith?

[SmallTimePerson]

Is anyone thinking the wraith will turn the retrovirus into a virus to turn humans into wraith?

doubt it, i think they may actually use their virus in their civil war, or use the virus to make a vaccine for it so they dont get effected by it.

Whats this about the hive ships being organic...no one saw that one coming , well maybe its the weakness in their tech. Maybe if you squirt it with saltwater...

[macktheknife]

Heh, I found another "lol" moment, Zelenka and Shep talking after Shep brings in coffee, some science chick takes one, then Shep takes the other, and Zelenka goes to get it but he's already drinking it. Funny.

I think they might try that, but only if they would actually go to Earth.

BTW, would this next episode be written already?

[SmallTimePerson]

BTW, would this next episode be written already?

I think it has, as there are some limited spoilers and it has Gero writing it...

i think it is at least up to

Spoiler:

the real world

at the minute as JM said "Another two episodes come compliments of Carl Binder, a couple of very well-written, very tight scripts " in his blog, referring to the ep name mentioned above.

[shockwave]

good episode, not the best, but still a good episode

the siege 2 was better, but this one was good as well

one of the better eps of a not-so-good season

[Lord Willow]

very very extreme episode, especially the end of it
now me wonders, since stargate atlantis is watching the actions in the pegasus galaxy, now that earth will be in danger it would be sg1's job to stop the hives
so in 3x01 will propably see a wraith attack on atlantis and on 10x01 a wraith-earth war...

wonder what will eventually happen...

[Schrodinger82]

The backup copy would have contained the Wraith virus as well. Wouldn't have made any difference.

Just because there's code on your computer doesn't mean you have to execute it. Stargate is funny like that though, I guess.